Wright blames fans... and so it begins

[AtlantisOrka]

Bahahaha omg

I'm sorry but i can't help but laugh just wow.

Oh yes Brad we did it on purpose not to watch your show and hurt you and SGU. Oh well you got me.

What ever. I'm one of hundreds of fans who tried giving it a chance and well i did and i don't like it.Go ahead and blame me as i am a proud SGA fan i don't give a dam no more.

How dare he blame us,what a fraking idiot.

1 min he begs us to watch it then he blames us. Sorry your show hasn't turned out the way you wanted it to but you only have your self to blame and fellow TPTB. Your screwed!

Oh he's supposed to be going to the Con in Vancouver next year right ? I'm quite interested to go to see if fans say anything. Be interesting to read his quote(s) and read them out so everyone and all the fans at the con can here and lets see him explain himself. If i go give me quotes and questions and i'll build the courage to read them out and have someone record it so you can see what he says.

What an absolute ********. How dare he blame us for his stupid failure.

Well **** YOU TOO BRAD HOPE YOUR PRECIOUS SGU FAILS AND GETS CANCELED REALLY SOON.

I'll be sure to invite everyone from this site to party outside the gates in celebration of the cancellation of SGUseless. You'll be out guest of honor. Hooray!!:sgusucks:

 

[Overmind One]

Im just so pissed I dont know what to say yet...without using a lot of profanity.

What a freakin coward. He is doing what Mallozzi did, but this time he has gone as far as to almost mention us by name:

Indeed, log on to any message board, and the vociferous level of criticism directed towards Universe for its supposed role in the demise of Stargate Atlantis is obvious, as is the recent, unpleasant schadenfreude in its ratings descent. Websites have even been set up purely for opposition to the show, which seems like a curious move for people who are supposedly avowed fans of the franchise. Simplistic descriptors such as Stargate In Name Only abound, and the feeling of engendered ill wishes can be nauseating.

Thats where he messes up....fans of the FRANCHISE? No, we are fans of STARGATE, and the fact that it is now a franchise can be attributed to the FANS, not the writers or the producers, but the FANS (that would be us, wouldnt it?). It was the foolish idea that as long as the franchise name was used, any show bearing it would be watched and loved by Stargate fans. So, they cobble together what they thought would be the "BSG-beater", copied the tone and the look and feel, throw an illogical (and little used) version of the familiar stargate, and we are supposed to just watch it and like it? NOT.

Why was there ever a Stargate Universe pitched AT ALL? There was already a successful Stargate show running which had successfully drawn most of the SG-1 fans over to Atlantis. Im an SG-1 fan who became an Atlantis fan. So, why is he blaming the Atlantis fans only? Where are the 2-3 million SG-1 fans who arent angry like "those angry Atlantis fans"? Since Im an SG-1 fan, do I get to hate the show and be blameless? Good!

 

[Fizz]

Since Im an SG-1 fan, do I get to hate the show and be blameless? Good!

Yeah it really lends credance to the idea that SGA's cancellation is intrinsically linked to SGU, though his insistance that it is "Atlantis fans", if they had nothing to do with each other wouldn't it just be "Stargate fans"?. He is so projecting. And yes as someone who loves SG-1 a little bit more than SGA, am I excused?

I really don't plot this show's downfall and I will feel sorry for the cast and crew, as I'm sure they worked hard and most of the actors hadn't a clue about the touchy SGA situation before they were already having to be shoved in the middle. Brad Wright, I used to think you were a reasonable guy, and you are someone who can write good hours of television but it is you and your cohorts coming out with the statements that you did that has assured me that I will be bitchily happy when this is cancelled. I would never campaign for it to be cancelled or switch off Neilsen boxes with telekensis but you are what brought me here.

 

[stargate1990]

What a freakin coward. He is doing what Mallozzi did, but this time he has gone as far as to almost mention us by name:

Thats where he messes up....fans of the FRANCHISE? No, we are fans of STARGATE, and the fact that it is now a franchise can be attributed to the FANS, not the writers or the producers, but the FANS (that would be us, wouldnt it?). It was the foolish idea that as long as the franchise name was used, any show bearing it would be watched and loved by Stargate fans. So, they cobble together what they thought would be the "BSG-beater", copied the tone and the look and feel, throw an illogical (and little used) version of the familiar stargate, and we are supposed to just watch it and like it? NOT.

Why was there ever a Stargate Universe pitched AT ALL? There was already a successful Stargate show running which had successfully drawn most of the SG-1 fans over to Atlantis. Im an SG-1 fan who became an Atlantis fan. So, why is he blaming the Atlantis fans only? Where are the 2-3 million SG-1 fans who aren't angry like "those angry Atlantis fans"? Since Im an SG-1 fan, do I get to hate the show and be blameless? Good!

same here i am a huge SG-1 fan who loved Atlantis almost as much, so im with you on that one, i was annoyed when they canceled SGA but i watched SGU unbiased and it failed on all levels possible, i stopped watching it Live after that episode when Chloe and the big guy went to a nightclub etc its not Stargate in the slightest i like drama in my sci fi if its done right.

if you recognize my name its cause i was member of the old forum i was a lurker since i became a member after BW,s little "please watch" stunt.

 

[Overmind One]

WELCOME!

same here i am a huge SG-1 fan who loved Atlantis almost as much, so im with you on that one, i was annoyed when they canceled SGA but i watched SGU unbiased and it failed on all levels possible, i stopped watching it Live after that episode when Chloe and the big guy went to a nightclub etc its not Stargate in the slightest i like drama in my sci fi if its done right.

if you recognize my name its cause i was member of the old forum i was a lurker since i became a member after BW,s little "please watch" stunt.

Well, WELCOME BACK!



That was the same episode that lost me as well (it was called Earth). When I came to the sudden realization that I was watching Eli and Chloe in a nightclub where they not only got drunk in another person's body, but Chloe had a catfight over her old boyfriend right after she had hooked up with Scott, and I was supposed to be watching STARGATE? That was it. No more watching live, and I even canceled my cable service since the only reason for me to have it was to watch Stargate and some of the other science fiction shows on SciFi Channel (before they became Syfy the Wrestling and Soap Channel). Now, there is Sanctuary, but I can just get those episodes online along with Warehouse 13 and Eureka and whatever else I want to see.

Stargate Universe wasnt requested by the fans, it was created out of BOREDOM from the writers, who had already stopped being fans of Stargate and wanted to write a soap instead. That is NOT our fault.

 

[stargate1990]

Well, WELCOME BACK!



That was the same episode that lost me as well (it was called Earth). When I came to the sudden realization that I was watching Eli and Chloe in a nightclub where they not only got drunk in another person's body, but Chloe had a catfight over her old boyfriend right after she had hooked up with Scott, and I was supposed to be watching STARGATE? That was it. No more watching live, and I even canceled my cable service since the only reason for me to have it was to watch Stargate and some of the other science fiction shows on SciFi Channel (before they became Syfy the Wrestling and Soap Channel). Now, there is Sanctuary, but I can just get those episodes online along with Warehouse 13 and Eureka and whatever else I want to see.

Stargate Universe wasnt requested by the fans, it was created out of BOREDOM from the writers, who had already stopped being fans of Stargate and wanted to write a soap instead. That is NOT our fault.

thank you for the welcome back, and those are the same reasons it put me off and ive been watching SGU on my com since then but nothings improved really, at this point i just want it to be canceled(i feel for the people that havent said or done anything again us real STARGATE! fans for the jobs) despite there fear tactics it will go into remission for a while but eventually someone will pick it up again and hopefully they will do it right.

 

[MetalFoldingChair]

Amazing how we have the ability to influence millions of sci-fi fans but we have zero ability to influence a handful of SGU producers.

 

[sp23]

I note that this guy doesn't seem willing to stand by his convictions. Comments are going straight to moderation. I don't expect that I'm the only one who posted. And I didn't swear or anything.

Yeah, I posted a politely worded reply to. It'll be interesting to see if anything actually gets past moderation.

 

[JohnSN7]

This just reinforces my view...

This just reinforces my view that the Stargate franchise needs a new creative team, or at least new showrunners and writers. Their behavior has been underhanded and unprofessional. They allowed Atlantis to be canceled in favor of Stargate Universe, which is an awful show. They made Stargate Universe, which has done incredible damage to the franchise. How did a show in the Stargate show go from 3-4 million viewers down to under 1 million viewers? Plain and simple. The answer: Stargate Universe. The fans didn't just magically vanish or get tired of Stargate. They turned off their tv's because SGU sucks. And Brad Wright, Robert Cooper, and Joe Mallozzi are responsible for this. If it weren't for the loyalty of the true Stargate fans, the franchise would be dead. It will live on, but these writers/producers need to go.

 

[Derocalypse]

I can't believe Brad Wright is blaming you guys and other SG1 and SGA fans for the horrible ratings for SGU. He should realize he is making things even more worse for SGU. I respect the hell out of him for 15 great seasons of stargate but with SGU he has been disrespectful to the loyal fan base of the franchise. I really don't get that kind of bullshit rational.

 

[Overmind One]

EXACTLY.

This just reinforces my view that the Stargate franchise needs a new creative team, or at least new showrunners and writers. Their behavior has been underhanded and unprofessional. They allowed Atlantis to be canceled in favor of Stargate Universe, which is an awful show. They made Stargate Universe, which has done incredible damage to the franchise. How did a show in the Stargate show go from 3-4 million viewers down to under 1 million viewers? Plain and simple. The answer: Stargate Universe. The fans didn't just magically vanish or get tired of Stargate. They turned off their tv's because SGU sucks. And Brad Wright, Robert Cooper, and Joe Mallozzi are responsible for this. If it weren't for the loyalty of the true Stargate fans, the franchise would be dead. It will live on, but these writers/producers need to go.

The entire fault of the failure of this show goes to its WRITERS, its CREATORS and its PRODUCERS. Not the fans. All we are asked to do is to watch the show, and if we like what we see then we continue to watch. That is how a fanbase is born. But when that fanbase gathers around a concept and a show, its not the "franchise" they are rallying around, its the concept and characters in the show. Stargate Universe offered a completely different concept and unlikeable, incongruous characters into Stargate. How did somebody like Chloe or Young or Rush ever make it though screening by the SGC (or HWC or whatever they are calling it)? Then the so called "tech" of whis show consists of magical rocks that swap consciousness, and now "visions" and dreams and projected "avatars" on the bridge. WTF? This is not Stargate and thats why we arent watching.

Whose fault is that again? I think its time for a crying Brad smiley to keep this guy company:

 

[Gatefan1976]

don't tease me like that! lol with everything going on on this planet with all the psychotic politicians and all that(a whole other convo) id love to go to another planet, lol and also cancel sgu

Return to serious mode
I was watching the news the other day and NASA is looking for people to go to Mars. It is expected to be a 3-4 year trip with the proviso that you never expect to come home (due to cost problems getting the required tech to Mars for a return trip). They do however promise to send supplies on a regular basis, so if your really looking for a holiday that is really "escapism" you might find it interesting.

If I came across this program 10 years ago, i would have probably jumped on it, but the 3 kids and wife tends to want to keep me (at least physically) on this planet.

 

[OCgatergal]

Again, blaming the fandom. It's never the fandoms fault. The Fandom simply reacts to the actions made by TPTB. You don't blame general public!!! I've never heard of people not watching SGU because they feel like they are backstabbing SGA. That is absurd, we don't watch SGU because it SUCKS!

 

[Jason1983]

Brad Wright answering questions on J.M.'s blog 1-2-09

Brad should know why the ratings are down:

CazzBlade writes: “When discussing the cancellation of Atlantis was it ever considered that the fans would not react well to it or to SGU as a consequence?”
BW: If we make a good show, you will watch it. If we don’t, you won’t.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/january-2-2009-brad-wright-answers-your-questions/http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...od+people+will+watch&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Exile]

Couldn't bear to read the article but the quote from Brad Wright was bad enough. He's now officially just below Mallozzi on my "top PTB ********" list. I agree with what everybody here has said, and in some cases you've said it better than I ever could, so no need to repeat it. Something must have gone seriously wrong in this man's head. One day he begs people to watch, and the next day ( or week? ) he lashes out and blames everybody but the people who are actually responsible for what SGU looks like.
One look at the ratings disprove his transparent attempt to shift blame: 1. ) They had over two million viewers in the beginning of the series. Plenty of people "gave it a chance" and kept "giving it a chance" for several episodes afterward ( even I lasted for 5 episodes, trying on the off chance that it would actually be watchable in spite of how they'd advertized it ). If your series was so damn good, wouldn't they have kept watching, and told their friends to watch? 2. ) The ratings started sinking drastically way before the move to Tuesdays. The only thing that's happened has been a continued slide. How can this be the fault of anything but the actual quality of the show?
Not to mention, how can this "vocal minority" who are too "petty" and "stupid" to love this "brilliant, deep, mature, edgy" show make all those "mature, intelligent, etc." not to mention "mainstream" viewers who love this "deep work of art" stop watching it if it's so good and they love it so much? I don't know what he will gain from helping to split the fandom and shower disdain, blame and hatred on SGA fans. Who's the petty one here? We didn't split the fandom, SGU and its PTB did.
"If Atlantis performed brilliantly in the ratings, it would still be on the air."
"If we make a good show, people will watch it. If we don't, they won't."
And now the ironic truth of those statements have come back to bite you in the ass. Enjoy karma! Of course I'm gloating. By your behaviour you made yourself my enemies, and I enjoy seeing you defeated.

 

[Bandit]

Just read the article. Wow, just wow, I don't know whether I should laugh or cry really. Wasn't BW the same guy that stated once that if the show isn't good people aren't going to watch it ? Again we have to deal with the "angry SGA fans" bs ? It's actually stunning that SGUs is powerful enough to...cancel shows at will or even drop their ratings (or not). Other than that, most of what I'd say has already been mentioned. I obviously left a polite comment of my own, but as you may have guessed, it's stuck at moderation.

 

[Overmind One]

This is one of my favorite pics. You reminded me of it!

Couldn't bear to read the article but the quote from Brad Wright was bad enough. He's now officially just below Mallozzi on my "top PTB ********" list. I agree with what everybody here has said, and in some cases you've said it better than I ever could, so no need to repeat it. Something must have gone seriously wrong in this man's head. One day he begs people to watch, and the next day ( or week? ) he lashes out and blames everybody but the people who are actually responsible for what SGU looks like.
One look at the ratings disprove his transparent attempt to shift blame: 1. ) They had over two million viewers in the beginning of the series. Plenty of people "gave it a chance" and kept "giving it a chance" for several episodes afterward ( even I lasted for 5 episodes, trying on the off chance that it would actually be watchable in spite of how they'd advertized it ). If your series was so damn good, wouldn't they have kept watching, and told their friends to watch? 2. ) The ratings started sinking drastically way before the move to Tuesdays. The only thing that's happened has been a continued slide. How can this be the fault of anything but the actual quality of the show?
Not to mention, how can this "vocal minority" who are too "petty" and "stupid" to love this "brilliant, deep, mature, edgy" show make all those "mature, intelligent, etc." not to mention "mainstream" viewers who love this "deep work of art" stop watching it if it's so good and they love it so much? I don't know what he will gain from helping to split the fandom and shower disdain, blame and hatred on SGA fans. Who's the petty one here? We didn't split the fandom, SGU and its PTB did.
"If Atlantis performed brilliantly in the ratings, it would still be on the air."
"If we make a good show, people will watch it. If we don't, they won't."
And now the ironic truth of those statements have come back to bite you in the ass. Enjoy karma! Of course I'm gloating. By your behaviour you made yourself my enemies, and I enjoy seeing you defeated.

Exactly. This picture is one of my favorites, and it perfectly describes what happened:

 

[stclare]

I can't believe Brad Wright is blaming you guys and other SG1 and SGA fans for the horrible ratings for SGU. He should realize he is making things even more worse for SGU. I respect the hell out of him for 15 great seasons of stargate but with SGU he has been disrespectful to the loyal fan base of the franchise. I really don't get that kind of bullshit rational.

Hi there, I think I remember that user name form GW?

anyway this is realy bad for the fans of SGU IMO. We are on this site debating the show, not out all over the internet writting articles, sending letter's or anything like that. so how we are to blame is beyond me.

Surely sites like GW with there traffic and positive approach policy should balance our site out. All I see this doing is turning those stargate fans who were umming and arrring into walking away. It also further divides the fans them selves as seen evidenced here and at syfy forum already.

Not good for Stargate & the fans.

 

[Will]

It's sad, it really is.

First of all, WELCOME Tropicana and Derocalypse!! And welcome back stargate1990! Yep, I remember you from the old forums

These comments by BW are unfortunate, although highly predictable. The thing is, they will be his undoing. As I said in another thread a couple of weeks ago, I think that the only way these writers will ever claw back any credibility within the science fiction genre again is if they openly recognise that the show failed because they made something people didn't want to watch, and made the stupid assumption that fans of Stargate were mindless drones who would flock to watch anything with Stargate slapped on it. They have to realise that the constant dissing of the fans and actors of the previous shows, the lying, and the smearing of fans who don't like SGU was a huge mistake, and needs to be apologised for sincerely.

With these comments, BW has shown that he simply cannot accept any of this. That he still believes that this show is amazing and it's simply the fans that are defective. The pathetic thing is that this is an attempt by him to try and "save face" by blaming someone else for the failure, but in reality all he is doing is making himself look worse. Do you think any production company will want to employ a writer who writes a failed show, and then fails to show any appreciation for the real reasons his work was a failure? Who still believes that his show was the best thing ever and that the dismal ratings can be explained by the actions of a few hundred "angry atlantis fans"? Without the ability to recognise and accept where he went wrong, how would they have any confidence that if let loose on another show, he wouldn't simply do the same again?

 

[Drax1971]

Not to mention, how can this "vocal minority" who are too "petty" and "stupid" to love this "brilliant, deep, mature, edgy" show make all those "mature, intelligent, etc." not to mention "mainstream" viewers who love this "deep work of art" stop watching it if it's so good and they love it so much?

Spoiler: My explanation

Personally, I use HYPNOTISM!

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"Do not watch SGU. It is Soap-Fi! Mua ha ha ha ha!
(And pay money into my bank account, too)"