Okay, lets start here. Yes, they did a little character development, but are you okay with what that development was, and was it done the way things have been done in Star Trek? If not, than it isn't Star Trek, is it?
Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.
- Thread starter Overmind One
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Okay, lets start here. Yes, they did a little character development, but are you okay with what that development was, and was it done the way things have been done in Star Trek? If not, than it isn't Star Trek, is it?
Hugh Jass
GateFans Cadet
I thought the new klingons sucked like really sucked. I don't know why they had to mess with the klingons. That's about all I don't like about this show.
PussyGalore
Meow
PUH - HUH - LEEZ Dorothy.
You've always known the spirit of this site is to not pull any punches. Hell, it was born out of the need for honesty in the face of a blatant attempt to rape the beloved Stargate franchise. We calls 'em as we sees 'em, there's nothing wrong with that. And there's no reason to turn this site into a "safe space" for people who can't accept reality, i.e. that Star Trek Discovery sucks...cuz it does...badly.
PussyGalore
Meow
Did you see the inane scene where they show a Kingoff pissing and he's got two streams of pee; implying Klingoffs have two penises and/or dual ports or whatever? I'm pretty sure that was canon.
Fine. Here are my issues with the show:
1) Michael Burnham. EXTREMELY unlikeable character. Poorly acted to boot (then again the actress was awful as Sasha in The Walking Dead). Her behavior in the premiere was completely off-putting and did not improve. And she is supposed to be Spock's adopted sister and has an incredible mind meld link to Sarek. Which leads us to....
2) Completely incompatible with Canon. Since when can a Vulcan and a human have an intergalactic mind meld? Spock has a human sister he never mentioned who Sarek seems to appreciate more than him? The technology is also very wrong for a prequel and the Tardigrade plot is not only ridiculous it is outright plagiarism (for which CBS is in court).
3) The universe is too dark, dreary and foreboding. Who in their right mind would want to live in this universe? Even DS9 in its worst slop moments never lost the underlying uplifting theme of the star trek universe.
4) The Klingons do not look like Klingons at all - they look more like refugees from the Cenobites of Hellraiser. Their way overdone prosthetics make them almost impossible to understand and the entire culture portrayal is off.
5) Weird portrayal of the Federation. Anyone remember the Non-Interference directive? Not in this show. The Federation could arguably be called the bad guys in this show - they are basically portrayed as meddlesome imperialists trying to destroy the identity of the Klingons. Add in how Burnham directly started the war through her mutinous actions and her subsequent foolish killing of the Klingon leader and you almost feel like rooting for the Klingons (if you could actually understand them that is)...
I could go on but that is a start.
1) Michael Burnham. EXTREMELY unlikeable character. Poorly acted to boot (then again the actress was awful as Sasha in The Walking Dead). Her behavior in the premiere was completely off-putting and did not improve. And she is supposed to be Spock's adopted sister and has an incredible mind meld link to Sarek. Which leads us to....
2) Completely incompatible with Canon. Since when can a Vulcan and a human have an intergalactic mind meld? Spock has a human sister he never mentioned who Sarek seems to appreciate more than him? The technology is also very wrong for a prequel and the Tardigrade plot is not only ridiculous it is outright plagiarism (for which CBS is in court).
3) The universe is too dark, dreary and foreboding. Who in their right mind would want to live in this universe? Even DS9 in its worst slop moments never lost the underlying uplifting theme of the star trek universe.
4) The Klingons do not look like Klingons at all - they look more like refugees from the Cenobites of Hellraiser. Their way overdone prosthetics make them almost impossible to understand and the entire culture portrayal is off.
5) Weird portrayal of the Federation. Anyone remember the Non-Interference directive? Not in this show. The Federation could arguably be called the bad guys in this show - they are basically portrayed as meddlesome imperialists trying to destroy the identity of the Klingons. Add in how Burnham directly started the war through her mutinous actions and her subsequent foolish killing of the Klingon leader and you almost feel like rooting for the Klingons (if you could actually understand them that is)...
I could go on but that is a start.
Twalet Brash
GateFans Member
I wanted to like this show but just couldn't. At one point, I found myself watching this show just to satisfy a longing for anything Trek even though it made me cringe. Someone in here pointed out similarities between this show and other Treks. Yes, however, what they did is take all the those bad elements of every prior Trek show and shoved it all into one big pay-per-view disaster. The story had potential but they shit the bed with forgettable characters and a stupid story line.
Speaking of stupid, what was the deal with Ash Tyler? Was he a Klingon who underwent body modification surgery or did they take his brain and stick it into a human? Some moments suggested one while others suggested the other. This sort of ambiguous, cringe-worthy, amateurish writing is a complete turn-off.
Speaking of stupid, what was the deal with Ash Tyler? Was he a Klingon who underwent body modification surgery or did they take his brain and stick it into a human? Some moments suggested one while others suggested the other. This sort of ambiguous, cringe-worthy, amateurish writing is a complete turn-off.
Twalet Brash
GateFans Member
In this case, NOT saying it sucks would put us in the shill camp for not being honest and speaking the mind of most of the Star Trek fandom. As it stands right now, it is the most read thread on this entire website, and the most lurked. You are nice for not hating it. But you need to realize that you are in a tiny minority who does not hate it. The Star Trek fandom is millions strong internationally, and we HATE this show. I started the thread with reasons why it sucks. There are 68 pages going into detail why it sucks.
The solution for those who like the show is to make a thread called "Star Trek Discovery" or "Things I like about Star Trek Discovery". In it, you can refer to the show as "Disco" and praise the parts of the show you like. I will protect it from trolling from within this site, even from myself!
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PussyGalore
Meow
Yes but where is the line between trolling and legit criticism? Isn't the whole point of a discussion forum so that people can discuss topics? Not every negative post towards STD is automatically a troll post, not every disagreement about STD is trolling and to treat it as such becomes outright censorship of quality discourse. In short, having a "protected" thread would be ridiculous and anathema to the spirit of this site.
I'm not saying egregious insults and abusive language should be allowed but legit disagreement over the topic shouldn't be censored, otherwise you have nothing more than a fanwank thread that serves no purpose.
Point taken. And I agree.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I believe the title of this thread initially didn't include the word sucks and it was amended later.
You can't pretend to be speaking for the entire fandom of Star Trek Overmind.
You can't pretend to be speaking for the entire fandom of Star Trek Overmind.
PussyGalore
Meow
He's not pretending anything. The general consensus is that Star Trek Discovery sucks. This is an objective fact of reality. It has not been well received by Trek fans or even casual fans.
-CBS has refused to release ratings numbers for this show because they are obviously bad.
-The comment section on literally every STD article is chock full of negative reviews.
-TPTB have employed a cadre of paid shills in an effort to sway public opinion. This is above and beyond any sort of traditional advertising and promotion efforts on behalf of a show.
-A major overhaul has been implemented in the production of STD between season 1 and 2 because season 1 was undeniably bad. Even TPTB get this fact of reality.
-Canon has clearly been eschewed, distorted and perverted from original Trek.
-The list goes on and on and on.
So yeah, Overmind does speak for Trek fandom. Modifying a thread title to include the word "sucks" after it was discovered that indeed the subject matter does suck is perfectly legitimate from a fandom perspective.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
The delusion is strong in this one.
PussyGalore
Meow
Why do we have to "nerf" it? The thread title is objectively true.
No, when I made the thread, I copied my first main topic in the OP. It was there from the start.
And of course I don't purport to speak for the entire Star trek fandom, but I know I speak in unison with the vast majority of it. You can see what they are saying on every single YouTube video and web article comment section you find. The few who speak highly of it can usually be sleuthed to belong to CBS Interactive. An example is comicbook.com, which on it's surface appears to be an independent website. But at the bottom, you can see that everything on it is bound by CBS Interactive and it's Privacy Agreement. Here is what they said about Star Trek Discovery's new Spock:https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/11/27/star-trek-discovery-season-2-spock-smile-promo/
EXCERPT:
Spock smiling is a rare sight. Star Trek: Discovery co-creator and showrunner Alex Kurtzman has hinted that fans should expect a slightly different Spock than they are used to since Discoverytakes place earlier the beloved character’s life and career.
“What gets me so excited about the story that we get to tell with Spock this season is that it’s the unwritten chapter of Spock,” Kurtzman said. “This is not the Spock that you know from the beginning of TOS, this is pre-TOS. He is not that formed Vulcan yet. His experience with the Red Angel and the signals has fried his logical brain. He cannot make sense of it. And he is emotionally ill-equipped to deal with it. So both logic and emotion are failing him, totally. And he is totally unsure of himself and trying to figure out how to make sense of the mystery and where he fits into the world. And it’s through his complicated relationship with his sister that he’s able to figure out how to become and actualize himself as the Spock that we know from TOS. And that’s really exciting to us because it in no way violates canon, it just builds on what’s been set before.”
PussyGalore
Meow
He's not pretending anything. The general consensus is that Star Trek Discovery sucks. This is an objective fact of reality. It has not been well received by Trek fans or even casual fans.
-CBS has refused to release ratings numbers for this show because they are obviously bad.
-The comment section on literally every STD article is chock full of negative reviews.
-TPTB have employed a cadre of paid shills in an effort to sway public opinion. This is above and beyond any sort of traditional advertising and promotion efforts on behalf of a show.
-A major overhaul has been implemented in the production of STD between season 1 and 2 because season 1 was undeniably bad. Even TPTB get this fact of reality.
-Canon has clearly been eschewed, distorted and perverted from original Trek.
-The list goes on and on and on.
So yeah, Overmind does speak for Trek fandom. Modifying a thread title to include the word "sucks" after it was discovered that indeed the subject matter does suck is perfectly legitimate from a fandom perspective.
Yep...you responded while I was writing mine! Let's not lose sight of the fact that this season is a last ditch, rather than a continuance of excellence. The entire writing staff was fired, creatives from other departments were fired or left, they have dumped the tardigrade, dragged in the Enterprise and their soy-based version of Spock. Plus, Mary Sue Burnham is going to take credit for making Spock become the Vulcan we see in TOS? Kurtzman is delusional and stupid if he thinks he can pull this off. He wasn't able to pull it off in the movies either, so why did they engage him for this show and any others?
Hugh Jass
GateFans Cadet
I agree! No fun posting in a thread if everybody agrees! And that Anathema lady can have her own thread if she isn't cool with that!