Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.
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PussyGalore
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I'm not sure if he outright "hates" ST, but he clearly doesn't understand it. He really is the wrong person to be show running anything ST related.
And THAT, my friend, is why we have been presented with the awful mimicry that is STD. Its like a child playing grownup by putting on its parents clothes and standing in the mirror.
Everything before Star Trek from Kurtzman has been fastasy fluff: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0476064/
Why should anyone expect anything like Star Trek from this dude? He does not have it in him. They needed Ron Moore or Bryan Fuller to lay out the universe, not Kurtzman, who obviously has his dumb vision for it. That is why so much of the dumb Kelvin look and feel came to this show.
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PussyGalore
Meow
You're exactly right, Kurtzman has a child's understanding of Star Trek and it shows. If a child was asked to write a ST story they would throw things like tribbles and gorns into it simply because "that would be cool". And there would be mindless fighting between the characters "just because".
The difference between child and adult storyteller comes in at the point of including moral and ethical dilemmas in the story. A child would only be able to give us a simple "good vs. evil" story. But an adult is charged with being more nuanced and creative when it comes to that aspect of the story. Kurtzman fails in this regard because his ST characters don't have the moral/ethical traits that are part of Trek lore. His protagonists are such reprehensible creatures that we don't care what happens with them. That's where he loses us.
In short, if a child gave us gorns and tribbles and goofy Star Fleet uniforms and laughable Klingons we'd roll our eyes and chuckle. But when a grown adult gives us the same thing we see it for what it is: childish pandering via memes and tropes.
Also, a child wouldn't be able to give us a nuanced, deep story like "The City on the Edge of Forever" so again, we'd forgive them for giving us a mindless "pew pew" space battle story. But an adult story teller is charged with giving us a legitimate reason for that space battle and in fact they need to provide a legit reason for any conflict that arises in the story. With Kurtzman though we get pointless conflict for the sake of pointless conflict. We get Star Fleet characters acting as if they have never spent a day at Star Fleet academy. We get First Officers who have somehow attained that rank without ever undergoing a psyche eval on their climb up the Star Fleet ladder. We get nonsensical, unappealing "heroes" because Kurtzman, like a child, is incapable of understanding complex moral dilemmas that make a story worth telling; that make characters appealing, likable and most importantly, relatable.
In short, Kurtzman is a hack. He should not be producing anything related to Star Trek.
Precisely. Thinking about the tribble and the Gorn skeleton, we have to realize that they were explicitly written into the scenes which featured them. Somebody was tasked with placing the tribble, someone else in the sound department to dub in the trilling sound. All because...why? How about explaining why the tribble is there, and why Michael Burnham was not surprised to see it.
And that Gorn skeleton. Canon clearly tells us that in Season 1, Episode 18 "Arena", it was the super-race the Metrons who held the Enterprise and the Gorn ship dead in space, and put them together on that planetoid. They also provided a translator/recorder device. From what I could understand, the Gorn were unknown to the Federation and had destroyed several settlements. Blah blah blah... In a nutshell, the presence of a Gorn skeleton, in a case, in the Captain's Ready Room of the Discovery 10 years before Kirk, is unpardonable.
Kurtzman and his co-hack writers can barely create dialogue worthy of 1970s sitcoms like Three's Company and The Brady Bunch. Take out the laugh track and replace it with threatening sounding music and beeping sounds, and there's your foundation for an STD episode. Instead, they intersperse explosions and expletives and lingering emotional moments into this pathetic gauze of a story and wrap the shoot.
The whole centering it around a loathesome, mentally unstable, poorly written protagonist/diva character like Michael Burnham is a complete mystery to me. Who conceived of her? Whose idea was it to open the show with her breaking the Prime directive, committing a mutiny, and single-handedly starting an interstellar war with the Klingons? I bet it is the same person who thought that over the course of a few episodes, we would start to experience her redemption. And why the casting her as a human raised by Sarek on Vulcan? I'm not seeing much retention of whatever she was taught there.
And Tilly, let's just not even. 
I am so disgusted, I made all of those images just to burn off the frustration. Seriously
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PussyGalore
Meow
Precisely. Thinking about the tribble and the Gorn skeleton, we have to realize that they were explicitly written into the scenes which featured them. Somebody was tasked with placing the tribble, someone else in the sound department to dub in the trilling sound. All because...why? How about explaining why the tribble is there, and why Michael Burnham was not surprised to see it.
And that Gorn skeleton. Canon clearly tells us that in Season 1, Episode 18 "Arena", it was the super-race the Metrons who held the Enterprise and the Gorn ship dead in space, and put them together on that planetoid. They also provided a translator/recorder device. From what I could understand, the Gorn were unknown to the Federation and had destroyed several settlements. Blah blah blah... In a nutshell, the presence of a Gorn skeleton, in a case, in the Captain's Ready Room of the Discovery 10 years before Kirk, is unpardonable.
Kurtzman and his co-hack writers can barely create dialogue worthy of 1970s sitcoms like Three's Company and The Brady Bunch. Take out the laugh track and replace it with threatening sounding music and beeping sounds, and there's your foundation for an STD episode. Instead, they intersperse explosions and expletives and lingering emotional moments into this pathetic gauze of a story and wrap the shoot.
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The whole centering it around a loathesome, mentally unstable, poorly written protagonist/diva character like Michael Burnham is a complete mystery to me. Who conceived of her? Whose idea was it to open the show with her breaking the Prime directive, committing a mutiny, and single-handedly starting an interstellar war with the Klingons? I bet it is the same person who thought that over the course of a few episodes, we would start to experience her redemption. And why the casting her as a human raised by Sarek on Vulcan? I'm not seeing much retention of whatever she was taught there.
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I am so disgusted, I made all of those images just to burn off the frustration. Seriously
I'm still shocked that Kurtzman not only got to keep his job but was given a 5-year extension that includes overseeing another Star Trek related show. It makes no sense from a business perspective. It doesn't matter what other show runners and writers did wrong, the buck stops with Kurtzman. He's responsible for this Tribble turd of a show. It's truly mind boggling that he didn't get fired over this.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
It's written by idiots, for idiots. Dumb fucks who know nothing about the star trek franchise. I also don't want ron D moore on star trek anymore. He'll bring in some religion crap into rhis or turn into a melodrama. I want actual nerds writing these stories. You know, the smart, intelligent people who know what they are talking about. Give me hard science fiction please.
Good thing is that if they want to cut losses, they can still "burn off" those five years without producing a single show...if they wanted. We will get the Picard show, as they have evidently secured Stewart with a contract. For how long? Will it be a series or a miniseries? Does he expect that the prospect of Picard in a different series will impart some sort of glow onto failed Discovery?
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Perhaps, but Ron Moore gave us some great Star Trek Voyager episodes, DS9, TNG, he is a bona fide Trek alum. Him and Michael Piller and a few others. Kurtzman is just not on their level intellectually.
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PussyGalore
Meow
Absolutely. We already know they're scrambling to retcon STD back into recognizable territory. Kurtzman probably promised TPTB that he will make sure this happens. Exploiting Picard was probably part of that negotiation. I don't doubt for one second that Kurtzman thinks his Picard show will help boost the legitimacy of STD.
PussyGalore
Meow
Moore isn't perfect but at least he didn't crap all over Star Trek. And unlike Kurtzman he actually worked on several ST series so he actually understands the ST universe. He would have been a much better choice to write the reboot Star Trek movies and also STD.
And the studio probably mandated the clean sweep of the entire writing department. Writers Kurtzman hired. That is akin to mowing down all of the Crazy 88 and leaving only one to go back to tell of the slaughter. It was a warning IMO. And what is he gonna do, get a brain transplant? Where are the Star Trek-ish stories going to come from? This is uncharted territory for Kurtzman. Just because he got promoted from Hercules and Xena to Star Trek does not mean he is suddenly a scifi writer. He has shown no talent for the genre.
I know they were kneecapped out of the gate by the licensing fiasco but I find it hard to believe that what we got was the best doable under the license. The proper approach would have been to write something exactly Trek even breaking the license then trim a bit at a time until it just barely complies with the license. That way it is as Trek as is legal.
PussyGalore
Meow
I agree. There's no reason they couldn't have written a much better story. They could even have used the same characters but made them more likable. They didn't have to make Michael a mutinous psychopath. They could have kept her under Captain Georgiou's wing and shown her learning how to handle command responsibilities over the episodes. And they could have written Michael as just a normal human, not some pseudo-Vulcan hybrid stepchild conveniently tied to Spock. Just a normal human being experiencing exciting adventures every week. What could be easier than that? Even with the Paramount restrictions in place they could easily have accomplished something like that. Why they made it such a tortured mess is beyond me.
This is 5 minutes of what this show is about. The dumbness abounds throughout, but with AWESOME special effects. It just isn't Star Trek. Note the multiple spinning "jumps". And remember, this is supposed to be 10 years before Kirk and Spock.
PussyGalore
Meow
Yes, the dumbness abounds. I simply can't accept the spore drive and spinning ship. It's a lame idea that looks cartoonish and ridiculous. Plus the direction in that clip is heavy handed and obvious. The camera swings around and moves in for overly dramatic close-ups of Lorca to show us how serious and strong he is.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Lol! I've been seeing more shill news articles about STD lately. "It's all so awesome!" But I just couldn't pass up on posting this one for you guys.
https://metro-co-uk.cdn.ampproject....are-freak-new-look-klingons-season-2-7841509/
https://metro-co-uk.cdn.ampproject....are-freak-new-look-klingons-season-2-7841509/
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Ahahaha they are now redesigning The Klingons. This is just friggin hilarious seeing this disaster unfold and making things worse. AHAHAHAHAHAHA. They keep using canon to try to win fans over. Do these people think that trekies are stupid? Who is the idiot that is going to fall for these foolish lies?
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-season-2-klingon-change/
http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/star-trek-discovery-season-2-trek/
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The Great Gazoo
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