Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.

[Lord Ba'al]

I am inclined to agree with @Overmind One on this. Patrick Stewart will be awesome, but Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman are a disaster waiting to happen here. We should start a petition now in order to change CBS' minds and have them make Jonathan Frakes direct this and kick Goldsman to the kerb and hire some talented writers who are intimately familiar with the past of Star Trek and specifically TNG.

 

[heisenberg]

I am inclined to agree with @Overmind One on this. Patrick Stewart will be awesome, but Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman are a disaster waiting to happen here. We should start a petition now in order to change CBS' minds and have them make Jonathan Frakes direct this and kick Goldsman to the kerb and hire some talented writers who are intimately familiar with the past of Star Trek and specifically TNG.

Petitions don't do SHIT! Unless you are a billionaire, we are stuck with these two idiots who know nothing about the star trek franchise.

 

[Lord Ba'al]

Petitions don't do SHIT! Unless you are a billionaire, we are stuck with these two idiots who know nothing about the star trek franchise.

A petition caused Amazon to pickup The Expanse. People are starting to take more note of these things in the social media era. But it is a long shot.

 

[Overmind One]

I am inclined to agree with @Overmind One on this. Patrick Stewart will be awesome, but Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman are a disaster waiting to happen here. We should start a petition now in order to change CBS' minds and have them make Jonathan Frakes direct this and kick Goldsman to the kerb and hire some talented writers who are intimately familiar with the past of Star Trek and specifically TNG.

Goldsman was fired along with the other writers in the clean sweep after Season 1 ended. Kurtzman is now at the helm, which makes it worse. And the biggest problem with Star Trek right now is Alex Kurtzman, who does not give a shit about Star Trek's canon or history. He will likely not want to be upstaged by anyone he hires, and even if he does, he will have the final say. If he liked the real Star Trek, he would never have changed it into something completely different. Both he and CBS know that there is a MASSIVE Star Trek fanbase out there and they saw that Discovery did not appeal to them. Season 2 is coming with Pike (who, by the way, will be in command of the Discovery for the entire Season 2...not just a few episodes). Spock is going to be a big part of it, and they will be trying to work Michael Burnham into the canon by weaving her and Spock together somehow.

Captain Picard is not going to feel like Captain Picard, and he will most likely be rewritten into somebody not so familiar.

 

[PussyGalore]

Petitions don't do SHIT! Unless you are a billionaire, we are stuck with these two idiots who know nothing about the star trek franchise.

A petition caused Amazon to pickup The Expanse. People are starting to take more note of these things in the social media era. But it is a long shot.

"Any publicity is good publicity" some Hollywood cynic once posited and I suspect that's how Kurtzman would see it. I don't think a petition would be strong enough to shake Kurtzman from his perch. He seems pretty entrenched with CBS or whatever studio is giving him control over ST. So unfortunately it looks like we're gonna have to ride it out and just hope in a decade or so someone new comes along and picks up the reins of ST and does it justice.

BTW, I love Patrick Stewart but I'm not desperate to see him in a cynical, exploitative raping of Picard. The character was written incredibly well in the first go round on TNG. It will be a miracle if they can capture that same magic without it just becoming a pathetic, obvious pastiche. Personally I just don't see it working.

 

[Overmind One]

A petition caused Amazon to pickup The Expanse. People are starting to take more note of these things in the social media era. But it is a long shot.

Actually it was a plane. Also, Amazon had already paid for exclusive streaming rights, so it was not much of a reach to save the show. But yeah, petitions sometimes have an effect. I tend to think the more creative approaches get more traction.

 

[Overmind One]

"Any publicity is good publicity" some Hollywood cynic once posited and I suspect that's how Kurtzman would see it. I don't think a petition would be strong enough to shake Kurtzman from his perch. He seems pretty entrenched with CBS or whatever studio is giving him control over ST. So unfortunately it looks like we're gonna have to ride it out and just hope in a decade or so someone new comes along and picks up the reins of ST and does it justice.

BTW, I love Patrick Stewart but I'm not desperate to see him in a cynical, exploitative raping of Picard. The character was written incredibly well in the first go round on TNG. It will be a miracle if they can capture that same magic without it just becoming a pathetic, obvious pastiche. Personally I just don't see it working.

I with you on this viewpoint. Sticking Stewart on one of Kurtzman's boring soapships and saying he is Captain Picard is not gonna work. What I see happening here, is that Kurtzman wants to remake Star Trek into his vision, while also stealing from canon and tacking things on to it where they do not belong. The Captain Picard in Kurtzman's stuff is going to be painful and probably unwatchable.

 

[Lord Ba'al]

Goldsman was fired along with the other writers in the clean sweep after Season 1 ended. Kurtzman is now at the helm, which makes it worse. And the biggest problem with Star Trek right now is Alex Kurtzman, who does not give a shit about Star Trek's canon or history. He will likely not want to be upstaged by anyone he hires, and even if he does, he will have the final say. If he liked the real Star Trek, he would never have changed it into something completely different. Both he and CBS know that there is a MASSIVE Star Trek fanbase out there and they saw that Discovery did not appeal to them. Season 2 is coming with Pike (who, by the way, will be in command of the Discovery for the entire Season 2...not just a few episodes). Spock is going to be a big part of it, and they will be trying to work Michael Burnham into the canon by weaving her and Spock together somehow.

Captain Picard is not going to feel like Captain Picard, and he will most likely be rewritten into somebody not so familiar.

Picard is not coming to Discovery. It will be a separate project.

 

[Lord Ba'al]

"Any publicity is good publicity" some Hollywood cynic once posited and I suspect that's how Kurtzman would see it. I don't think a petition would be strong enough to shake Kurtzman from his perch. He seems pretty entrenched with CBS or whatever studio is giving him control over ST. So unfortunately it looks like we're gonna have to ride it out and just hope in a decade or so someone new comes along and picks up the reins of ST and does it justice.

BTW, I love Patrick Stewart but I'm not desperate to see him in a cynical, exploitative raping of Picard. The character was written incredibly well in the first go round on TNG. It will be a miracle if they can capture that same magic without it just becoming a pathetic, obvious pastiche. Personally I just don't see it working.

A dutch comedian once said pretty much the same. "It doesn't matter how you mention them, as long as you mention them". He was paid by Buckler for him to mention them in his show. So he did mention them, about 10 times perhaps. He did it in a negative way, like talking about how he hates a certain type of people who behave in a certain way (his style of humor) and then presenting it like "Buckler drinkers! Gross!". After the show (which was traditionally aired on New Year's Eve on national TV) Buckler didn't sell for shit anymore and they ended up withdrawing from the Dutch market altogether. That was somewhere around early/mid nineties and to this day you still won't find Buckler in the Netherlands. So you see, that old axiom doesn't always hold true. Especially these days. Younger generations are perfectly happy to completely ignore a certain brand or even crusade against it even over something which is proportionally insignificant or even completely irrelevant. If your brand gets a bad name, you can find yourself fighting a hopeless battle or having to spend tons and tons of dough on public relations efforts in order to try to repair the damage to the image.

 

[PussyGalore]

Building on OM1's observation in TO thread about how the producers of STD are trying to steal the comedic aspect of TO to improve their own production I have to point something out: They've added comedian Tig Notaro to the cast of STD. You see her in the trailer making a joke about a pulsar. Her shtick is very cynical and deadpan. The fact that they cast her is proof positive that they are copying The Orville. It's not even a question of it they're doing it, it's a fact of reality.

https://trekcore.com/blog/2018/06/tig-notaro-shares-a-bit-more-about-her-star-trek-discovery-role/

 

[PussyGalore]

A dutch comedian once said pretty much the same. "It doesn't matter how you mention them, as long as you mention them". He was paid by Buckler for him to mention them in his show. So he did mention them, about 10 times perhaps. He did it in a negative way, like talking about how he hates a certain type of people who behave in a certain way (his style of humor) and then presenting it like "Buckler drinkers! Gross!". After the show (which was traditionally aired on New Year's Eve on national TV) Buckler didn't sell for shit anymore and they ended up withdrawing from the Dutch market altogether. That was somewhere around early/mid nineties and to this day you still won't find Buckler in the Netherlands. So you see, that old axiom doesn't always hold true.

Hmm, that is surprising, especially when you consider the fact that the Dutch usually aren't so discriminating about what they put into their mouths.

 

[PussyGalore]

Picard is not coming to Discovery. It will be a separate project.

That's true but it's being created by the people responsible for STD, namely Kurtzman. Plus he will be utilizing some of the STD writing staff from what I understand. This portends nothing good. Besides, it will be on CBS No Access which has been wholly rejected by viewers here in America.

 

[Overmind One]

Building on OM1's observation in TO thread about how the producers of STD are trying to steal the comedic aspect of TO to improve their own production I have to point something out: They've added comedian Tig Notaro to the cast of STD. You see her in the trailer making a joke about a pulsar. Her shtick is very cynical and deadpan. The fact that they cast her is proof positive that they are copying The Orville. It's not even a question of it they're doing it, it's a fact of reality.

https://trekcore.com/blog/2018/06/tig-notaro-shares-a-bit-more-about-her-star-trek-discovery-role/

LMAO! First, they backpeddled on the first half of Season 1 premise Kurtzman wanted which was one that included "spore drive" and the dark and brooding Captain Lorca. He was steering the ship straight into soap opera territory. Then after the MASSIVE rejection and cancellations of CBS All Access, they created the dumb mirror universe episodes, bringing Michelle back and killing off the spore drive and killing off Lorca in the second half. The Enterprise at the end of Season 1 was the ultimate backpedal. Now, it has been confirmed that Captain Pike is going to be commanding the Discovery for the entirety of Season 2 (maybe just the first half), and we will get Spock and the uniforms will change. Now, they want to rip off The Orville to add some comedy into it? They thought that dropping F-bombs was going to make it cool? BAHAHAHA. Its such a fail. And they let Kurtzman do all of this shit? He will be copying as much as possible from The Orville because just about everywhere, the Star Trek fanbase raves about The Orville and rants about STD. They figure that they can get us back if they just make it more like The Orville? HELL NAH! They will need to scrap the Discovery ship, kill off Burnham, change the uniforms, the interior of the ship, scrap that dark bridge, so many things.

Perhaps they can use the Guardian of Forever device to completely change the timeline they are using and erase all the events of Season 1 altogether?

 

[PussyGalore]

LMAO! First, they backpeddled on the first half of Season 1 premise Kurtzman wanted which was one that included "spore drive" and the dark and brooding Captain Lorca. He was steering the ship straight into soap opera territory. Then after the MASSIVE rejection and cancellations of CBS All Access, they created the dumb mirror universe episodes, bringing Michelle back and killing off the spore drive and killing off Lorca in the second half. The Enterprise at the end of Season 1 was the ultimate backpedal. Now, it has been confirmed that Captain Pike is going to be commanding the Discovery for the entirety of Season 2 (maybe just the first half), and we will get Spock and the uniforms will change. Now, they want to rip off The Orville to add some comedy into it? They thought that dropping F-bombs was going to make it cool? BAHAHAHA. Its such a fail. And they let Kurtzman do all of this shit? He will be copying as much as possible from The Orville because just about everywhere, the Star Trek fanbase raves about The Orville and rants about STD. They figure that they can get us back if they just make it more like The Orville? HELL NAH! They will need to scrap the Discovery ship, kill off Burnham, change the uniforms, the interior of the ship, scrap that dark bridge, so many things.

Perhaps they can use the Guardian of Forever device to completely change the timeline they are using and erase all the events of Season 1 altogether?

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but in this case it's anything but sincere. It's downright cynical and pathetic. They should have cut their losses and completely scrapped STD then used the budget for season 2 on a totally different ST show. (They probably could have gained some viewers back with a Capt. Pike show that wasn't dark or soapfi stupid; and without any repulsive characters like Michael Burnham in the mix.) But to continue with this STD dreck is nothing more than doubling down on a losing bet.

*I roll my eyes and chuckle every time I watch the trailer for season 2 where Michael mentions Spock is her "foster brother" and he's connected to the red dots and needs help. It's just so stupid.

 

[Overmind One]

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but in this case it's anything but sincere. It's downright cynical and pathetic. They should have cut their losses and completely scrapped STD then used the budget for season 2 on a totally different ST show. (They probably could have gained some viewers back with a Capt. Pike show that wasn't dark or soapfi stupid; and without any repulsive characters like Michael Burnham in the mix.) But to continue with this STD dreck is nothing more than doubling down on a losing bet.

*I roll my eyes and chuckle every time I watch the trailer for season 2 where Michael mentions Spock is her "foster brother" and he's connected to the red dots and needs help. It's just so stupid.

Neither Abrams or Kurtzman or any of those man bun wearing hipsters in his writing camp understand Spock or Vulcans. I believe the reason is because he is far too LOGICAL for them to get their vapid little heads around. No diss to Star Wars, but that franchise is far more simplistic and forgiving when it comes to illogical concepts and fantasy. Star Trek was science fiction drama, and Spock was conceived to be an alien whose logic was central to his character. Kurtzman's Spock (and Sarek) are both very illogical individuals. WHY would Sarek adopt/mentor Michael Burnham, even if she was a victim of Klingon attacks? That would be illogical. Did other Vulcans also randomly adopt alien children who were victims of attacks by the Klingons? Thought not.

This show just fractured all over the place. There are so many things wrong with it that each thing would need its own thread.

 

[PussyGalore]

Neither Abrams or Kurtzman or any of those man bun wearing hipsters in his writing camp understand Spock or Vulcans. I believe the reason is because he is far too LOGICAL for them to get their vapid little heads around. No diss to Star Wars, but that franchise is far more simplistic and forgiving when it comes to illogical concepts and fantasy. Star Trek was science fiction drama, and Spock was conceived to be an alien whose logic was central to his character. Kurtzman's Spock (and Sarek) are both very illogical individuals. WHY would Sarek adopt/mentor Michael Burnham, even if she was a victim of Klingon attacks? That would be illogical. Did other Vulcans also randomly adopt alien children who were victims of attacks by the Klingons? Thought not.

This show just fractured all over the place. There are so many things wrong with it that each thing would need its own thread.

Yes, there are many, many things wrong with STD but one of the major issues is the ridiculous familial connection between Spock and Michael. There is nothing Vulcan about Michael Burnham. Her actions and her demeanor belie any claims of being raised as a Vulcan. It simply does not track as being true.

And the gimmick of linking her to Spock is insulting to Trek fans everywhere. She does not compliment Spock in any way, shape or form. Her connection to him as a family member is not believable for one single moment. It's terrible, terrible writing, period.

 

[Overmind One]

Ugh...

 

[Overmind One]

Yes, there are many, many things wrong with STD but one of the major issues is the ridiculous familial connection between Spock and Michael. There is nothing Vulcan about Michael Burnham. Her actions and her demeanor belie any claims of being raised as a Vulcan. It simply does not track as being true.

And the gimmick of linking her to Spock is insulting to Trek fans everywhere. She does not compliment Spock in any way, shape or form. Her connection to him as a family member is not believable for one single moment. It's terrible, terrible writing, period.

Because of the very large issues I have with the show, the writing and the characters, the little things don't get talked about much. The windshield on the bridge is one of the most asinine things I have seen. Then there is the tribble and Gorn skeleton. Where and when did Lorca get his pet tribble, and why doesn't it multiply? DrMcCoy is the one who found out how to stop them. In the animated series, they showed a predator which eats them. And in Enterprise, Dr Phlox was feeding them to one of his animals, so somewhere along the way, they happened before the Kirk episode. But if Discovery had one, then there should have been information about them in the Starfleet database for Kirk to find. Ugh. And those uniforms? The men wore slacks, but the women wore miniskirts at that time. Even DS9 had Dax put one on for the episode where they went back. But back to the Gorn....

Even if the Gorn had been known to Starfleet (which canon says they were not, before Kirk), why would Lorca not only have a Gorn skeleton, but why would it warrant being displayed in his office? Why was it special to him? Why would ANY skeleton be displayed in a case in the Captain's quarters? And...but....also...UGH. I can't even.

 

[PussyGalore]

Because of the very large issues I have with the show, the writing and the characters, the little things don't get talked about much. The windshield on the bridge is one of the most asinine things I have seen. Then there is the tribble and Gorn skeleton. Where and when did Lorca get his pet tribble, and why doesn't it multiply? DrMcCoy is the one who found out how to stop them. In the animated series, they showed a predator which eats them. And in Enterprise, Dr Phlox was feeding them to one of his animals, so somewhere along the way, they happened before the Kirk episode. But if Discovery had one, then there should have been information about them in the Starfleet database for Kirk to find. Ugh. And those uniforms? The men wore slacks, but the women wore miniskirts at that time. Even DS9 had Dax put one on for the episode where they went back. But back to the Gorn....

Even if the Gorn had been known to Starfleet (which canon says they were not, before Kirk), why would Lorca not only have a Gorn skeleton, but why would it warrant being displayed in his office? Why was it special to him? Why would ANY skeleton be displayed in a case in the Captain's quarters? And...but....also...UGH. I can't even.

That's why I often use the word "cynical" to describe the people producing STD. They throw stuff into the show without concern for canon or verity. They think that if they reference Gorns and Tribbles, without context, that's all they need to do to make the show officially Star Trek. That is cynicism at its finest.

 

[The Great Gazoo]

Well hello humans . I see mankind has been able to destroy a beloved concept from back in the day . It's heart warming to see all the backlash std is getting and it deserves every acumen . Sadly The Great Gazoo can see this show endure for a few more seasons and they will be adding more coruscant with each and every episode . It can only be cupidity and averice that makes them produce such penultimate perfidiousness to the franchise which we all used to love and cherish , but alas they only make this with the intent to progress gasconading ...