Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.

heisenberg

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Well hello humans . I see mankind has been able to destroy a beloved concept from back in the day . It's heart warming to see all the backlash std is getting and it deserves every acumen . Sadly The Great Gazoo can see this show endure for a few more seasons and they will be adding more coruscant with each and every episode . It can only be cupidity and averice that makes them produce such penultimate perfidiousness to the franchise which we all used to love and cherish , but alas they only make this with the intent to progress gasconading ...
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Overmind One

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Picard is not coming to Discovery. It will be a separate project.

Yeah, but Kurtzman will be doing it so that means it will look a lot like his idiotic Kelvin timeline stuff. He will be wearing ridiculous clothes, saying nonsensical things and referring to people and events which never happened. Picard is from the Trek timeline about 100 years after TOS. In the Kelvin timeline, Vulcan was destroyed and that is the biggest difference between the two timelines. Vulcan still exists by the time of TNG and also Voyager, so the Kelvin timeline is NOT Star Trek. If Picard is going to be in Kurtzman's crap, he will be stripped of his place of honor in Star Trek by reason of treason.

Good first episode title! "Reason of Treason". :)
 
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Lord Ba'al

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I'm not disagreeing on you regarding Kurtzman being involved being a bad thing. I feel like this idea of a new show with Picard probably stems from the time of even before Discovery was aired. They had already received backlash from fans by then based on what they had presented in regard to the show so far. They knew they couldn't stop the production of Discovery and they had to roll the dice on it. When the show aired they soon found themselves in even deeper shit. They knew Star Trek fans are quite upset about the fact that the show doesn't jive with the pre-established canon. They have realized their mistakes, but are still driving a train which is on rails so they don't really have a way of veering off course and they mostly only have control over whether to speed up or slow down. Stopping is currently not an option as that would be publicly admitting to their failure. They should have just done that though, can the show and tell the fans they're going back to the drawing board, but I digress. In order to save their asses and that of the entire franchise, they came up with the idea that more Patrick Stewart and his Picard character would go down well with the fans. (And why wouldn't it right? He's awesome.) I have no fear that the Picard show will be worse than Discovery, it is highly likely that it will be a better show, based on their experience with the negative feedback and the fact that they have Patrick Stewart on board. What I am afraid of though is that they will try to create a show which sits somewhere in between the previous series and Discovery in terms of style and perhaps story. That they will try to use the Picard show as a means of justifying or redeeming part of their failure with Discovery. And that this would put the new show in a position where it's neither in-line with the old shows nor with Discovery causing it to end up in some sort of no man's land. That would be bad. I think I'd rather see Picard time travelling his way onto the Discovery bridge.
 

Overmind One

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I'm not disagreeing on you regarding Kurtzman being involved being a bad thing. I feel like this idea of a new show with Picard probably stems from the time of even before Discovery was aired. They had already received backlash from fans by then based on what they had presented in regard to the show so far. They knew they couldn't stop the production of Discovery and they had to roll the dice on it. When the show aired they soon found themselves in even deeper shit. They knew Star Trek fans are quite upset about the fact that the show doesn't jive with the pre-established canon. They have realized their mistakes, but are still driving a train which is on rails so they don't really have a way of veering off course and they mostly only have control over whether to speed up or slow down. Stopping is currently not an option as that would be publicly admitting to their failure. They should have just done that though, can the show and tell the fans they're going back to the drawing board, but I digress. In order to save their asses and that of the entire franchise, they came up with the idea that more Patrick Stewart and his Picard character would go down well with the fans. (And why wouldn't it right? He's awesome.) I have no fear that the Picard show will be worse than Discovery, it is highly likely that it will be a better show, based on their experience with the negative feedback and the fact that they have Patrick Stewart on board. What I am afraid of though is that they will try to create a show which sits somewhere in between the previous series and Discovery in terms of style and perhaps story. That they will try to use the Picard show as a means of justifying or redeeming part of their failure with Discovery. And that this would put the new show in a position where it's neither in-line with the old shows nor with Discovery causing it to end up in some sort of no man's land. That would be bad. I think I'd rather see Picard time travelling his way onto the Discovery bridge.

You make some great points there, and some accurate observations. I have watched about 5 episodes total of this show. There are three major things that they could have done to make Discovery a (possible) success:

1. With the same exact show they introduced, which I don't like, they could have placed the show in the timeline AFTER Nemesis. Way after, like the 26th century. Discovery passes easily for a 26th century ship. Even the uniforms could be kept.

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Why? So that they don't have to explain the tech, the look of the ships, the uniforms and the different look of the other alien ships, the behavior of Vulcans and the other aliens they have created for this show but do not exist in the prime timeline. In the future, perhaps these aliens came from new parts of the galaxy, like the Gamma Quadrant, or even the Delta quadrant. They can still have Klingons, Andorians, Tellurites, Romulans, Vulcans, etc etc...but no characters we have already met from any of those races. This would fix a lot of the broken canon.

2. EXPLAIN the different look of those Klingons. Tell us why they look so different from the Klingons we already know and love. Perhaps they experienced yet another genetic holocaust which changed how they look. Perhaps their sun flared and made them darker and mutated them. The Klingons were the first rival enemies of the Federation before the Romulans. They deserve an explanation.

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Why? Because...Klingons. You can't just change the Klingons and not explain why they are so much different, and be able to keep your audience.

3. Add some science to the show. Not a clever, magical pseudo-scientific substitute, but actual science like what is taught in universities and practiced as applied and theoretical science that actual scientists can relate to. Spore drive is a complete fantasy. There is ZERO basis in theoretical science or any science whatsoever for it. It is magic. They could easily have replaced that tardigrade with a purple dragon whose fire made it so that the ship could go anywhere in a heartbeat. What was wrong with warp drive? It is a Star Trek, not a Star Blink.

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Why? Because many of the stories seen in many episodes of Star Trek could only play out while the ship was en route to a destination. Dialogue in Ten Forward or the Ready Room, with the warping stars passing by gave us the feeling that this was a starship traveling at warp to a specific destination. You could break dialogue by showing the ship "coming out of warp" you could use space in such a way that space battles seemed more real...gaining on other ships, running from them, stopping dead in space, etc. Discovery has none of that.

But...they did not do any of that. Instead, they have done the equivalent of trying to insert Spiderman into the Book of Genesis and assume that Bible readers would accept it. Once tried, who is ever going to trust the revisionists EVER again for any reason? Star Trek Discovery is heinous crime against science fiction! Just scrap the whole damned thing and start over with help from REAL Star Trek fans.

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Well I must say that he spilled the beans very eloquently and I could also hear in his voice a sense of sadness and huge disappointment but he certainly is a bellwether but I also know there are many many like him . I agree with him completely for I myself am indeed disappointed and saddened by the debauchery called std . STD , does this still plague the human race ? It was the Dino's that caused it by the way . Flintstones ate it all the time and look where it got them . Extinct . Hopefully STD is heading in that direction or if it continues , I may find myself becoming a serious serious winebibber .
 
I'm not disagreeing on you regarding Kurtzman being involved being a bad thing. I feel like this idea of a new show with Picard probably stems from the time of even before Discovery was aired. They had already received backlash from fans by then based on what they had presented in regard to the show so far. They knew they couldn't stop the production of Discovery and they had to roll the dice on it. When the show aired they soon found themselves in even deeper shit. They knew Star Trek fans are quite upset about the fact that the show doesn't jive with the pre-established canon. They have realized their mistakes, but are still driving a train which is on rails so they don't really have a way of veering off course and they mostly only have control over whether to speed up or slow down. Stopping is currently not an option as that would be publicly admitting to their failure. They should have just done that though, can the show and tell the fans they're going back to the drawing board, but I digress. In order to save their asses and that of the entire franchise, they came up with the idea that more Patrick Stewart and his Picard character would go down well with the fans. (And why wouldn't it right? He's awesome.) I have no fear that the Picard show will be worse than Discovery, it is highly likely that it will be a better show, based on their experience with the negative feedback and the fact that they have Patrick Stewart on board. What I am afraid of though is that they will try to create a show which sits somewhere in between the previous series and Discovery in terms of style and perhaps story. That they will try to use the Picard show as a means of justifying or redeeming part of their failure with Discovery. And that this would put the new show in a position where it's neither in-line with the old shows nor with Discovery causing it to end up in some sort of no man's land. That would be bad. I think I'd rather see Picard time travelling his way onto the Discovery bridge.

I agree with this except for the part about them realizing their mistakes. I can't help but wonder if they realize they screwed up and are sincerely contrite or do they suffer from SGU syndrome and arrogantly believe they are right and are grudgingly making changes because they are forced to, not because they truly want to. More than likely it's the latter.

And I strongly suspect they will attempt to use Picard as a way to justify and redeem STD exactly as you have posited. What they don't realize is that instead of raising up STD via exploiting the good reputation of Picard they will diminish his character and likability. STD won't be cleaned up but rather, Picard will be tarnished. That's the only way I see the math working out here.
 

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I agree with this except for the part about them realizing their mistakes. I can't help but wonder if they realize they screwed up and are sincerely contrite or do they suffer from SGU syndrome and arrogantly believe they are right and are grudgingly making changes because they are forced to, not because they truly want to. More than likely it's the latter.

And I strongly suspect they will attempt to use Picard as a way to justify and redeem STD exactly as you have posited. What they don't realize is that instead of raising up STD via exploiting the good reputation of Picard they will diminish his character and likability. STD won't be cleaned up but rather, Picard will be tarnished. That's the only way I see the math working out here.

EXACTLY. Its like they burned the toast, and all they think they need to do is scrape off the carbon and add extra butter to fix it. Picard is not going to transform anything from the Kelvin/Discovery stupidverse into Star Trek. Like you said, it will diminish his character. For me, Leonard Nimoy appearing in the Abrams 2009 movie and uttering the babble about "transwarp beaming" diminished the character of Spock tremendously. And again in Into Darkness, with that awful Kahn they created.
 

heisenberg

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EXACTLY. Its like they burned the toast, and all they think they need to do is scrape off the carbon and add extra butter to fix it. Picard is not going to transform anything from the Kelvin/Discovery stupidverse into Star Trek. Like you said, it will diminish his character. For me, Leonard Nimoy appearing in the Abrams 2009 movie and uttering the babble about "transwarp beaming" diminished the character of Spock tremendously. And again in Into Darkness, with that awful Kahn they created.

Oh ffs - 5 years with this moron. lol They are planning to merge all the timeline effectively killing the kelvin timeline. What the fuck?
 
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Overmind One

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Oh ffs - 5 years with this moron. lol They are planning to merge all the timeline effectively killing the kelvin timeline. What the fuck?

We have been exactly on point the whole time! Everything we have discussed and ranted about this show is in that video!
 

The Great Gazoo

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So Picard is 20 ahead of what he was ! This means he will have Alzheimer's with violent tendencies and want to kill everyone around him yet will not have the strength or memory to accomplish such millstones !!!

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Joelist

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This is essentially what we posted about a while ago regarding the whole CBS-Paramount split license. It meant the Kelvin movies were hamstrung from the start by being legally prohibited from being true continuations of the other films and shows. In this environment it is actually remarkable that 2009 and Beyond (whose boxoffice issues stemmed from a badly fumbled marketing campaign and also premiering it in the summer instead of the usual Star Trek film December premiere slot) are watchable at all. Into Darkness was just incompetent legal issues or no.

And he is also on target about all the issues with STD itself. I really don't think using the CBS license would have helped them as the big issue is the incredibly bad writing and characterization.
 

Oh ffs - 5 years with this moron. lol They are planning to merge all the timeline effectively killing the kelvin timeline. What the fuck?
We have been exactly on point the whole time! Everything we have discussed and ranted about this show is in that video!

Great video! And you're right, it says exactly everything we've been squawking about regarding STD. Glad to see that others are finally starting to get it.
 

Overmind One

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Just....I can't even.

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Why do they even need a Spock and Pike in this show? It is actually worse for them that they are trying so hard to attract the real Star Trek fanbase by grasping at OUR Enterprise and the TOS characters which mean absolutely nothing to NuTrek fans. None of these new dumb action fans give a shit about Spock or the Enterprise or tribbles or Gorns or anything familiar to original fans. No, these elements are being thrown into Discovery to bring in original fans. It is a fail in advance. Kurtzman does not know how to do Star Trek. It is beyond his abilities.
 
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Just....I can't even.

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Why do they even need a Spock and Pike in this show? It is actually worse for them that they are trying to hard to attract the real Star Trek fanbase by grasping at OUR Enterprise and the TOS characters which mean absolutely nothing to NuTrek fans. None of these new dumb action fans give a shit about Spock or the Enterprise or tribbles or Gorns or anything familiar to original fans. No, these elements are being thrown into Discovery to bring in original fans. It is a fail in advance. Kurtzman does not know how to do Star Trek. It is beyond his abilities.

In the linked article Kurtzman sounds like a snake oil salesman speaking to a gullible audience; as if we're stupid enough to believe that he actually cares about the history of Star Trek. :rolleye0014:
 

heisenberg

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Just....I can't even.

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Why do they even need a Spock and Pike in this show? It is actually worse for them that they are trying so hard to attract the real Star Trek fanbase by grasping at OUR Enterprise and the TOS characters which mean absolutely nothing to NuTrek fans. None of these new dumb action fans give a shit about Spock or the Enterprise or tribbles or Gorns or anything familiar to original fans. No, these elements are being thrown into Discovery to bring in original fans. It is a fail in advance. Kurtzman does not know how to do Star Trek. It is beyond his abilities.
I am going to take a stab and say that this kuntsman asshole hates star trek deep inside and intentionally wants to ruin the legacy.
 

Overmind One

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I am going to take a stab and say that this kuntsman asshole hates star trek deep inside and intentionally wants to ruin the legacy.

What he is trying to do is dumb it down to a level where he can manage it. You can't have cerebral, scientific story lines if you are unable to match that level. Kurtzman can't even come close to the most silly of Star Trek plots. Can you imagine what a Q would be like in Kurtzman's NuTrek? He has already grabbed at the mirror universe, tribbles, Gorns, and now the Enterprise and Pike and now Spock. His Spock will be like the Kelvin Spock, lacking logic and any sense of what we recognize as Vulcan in real Star Trek. It is beyond his intellect. He needs to bring everything down to his level of understanding so he can do what he wants to do with Trek. The existence of the prime timeline ruins his plans, so he has to destroy it. Its the same reason Vulcan was destroyed in the 2009 movie. His Spock was hawking red matter and transwarp beaming and messing with the timeline. I can't say I forgive Nimoy for even participating in it, but for the many years of real Trek he gave us, I thank him. This "Spock" will be pathetic. I wonder if he will be shown laughing or perhaps in a relationship with some woman (or man). Pon Farr be damned.
 
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