Man of Angst ( a.k.a. Man of Steel )

[Joelist]

Hey, they could have cast Dwayne Johnson as Superman and Vin Diesel as Luthor.

 

[Backstep]

lol I like him, sorta represents an ideal sort of. If you had all that power, most of us would be steeped in hedonism. Instead, he tries to represent an idea, from the trailer:

"You will give the people an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time you will help them accomplish wonders."

And if you've read or watched any dc superman animation/comics, he really cares about humanity and all life and tries to improve it. Kinda inspires people to be more than they are, more than just live and die and have a pointless life. Cartoonish? Sure, I can accept that. Quite frankly, I don't mind. I would love nothing more than to help and contribute to all life and help them rise to the sun. It's kinda TOS-like to me, inspire humanity to be more than themselves, that optimism. Much prefer that message than the usual messages in media today: mediocrity is to be celebrated, be ignorant and closed, wallow in your self-pity and harm and inflict it on others, be narcissistic, indulge in unrestricted and wanton hedonism and materialism, etc. Think we'd be much further in life if more people had Supes ideals rather than the self-indulgent ideals of so-called 'real people'.

I get that Superman is a utopian modern day Jesus Christ in spandex, but what about the Kryptonite challenge question: Which is the better Kryptonite, Krypton's sun or Krypton its self?

This question is more important that trying to figure out, if you lock Superman and the Thing in a closet, who will win.

 

[mzzz]

How far into deep space does this work? And, again, what about when he reaches the Krypton system? If a bit of kryptonite trashes him here then he doesn't stand a chance between his sun and his planet when he gets there.

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Think about it, when you throw a baseball, all you initially do is set that baseball in motion. Now imagine if you did that in space where there is little to no friction and mostly empty space. The momentum would be preserved from the initial burst of acceleration and would carry him forward without effort after the initial burst. So his expenditure of energy is just small for that initial acceleration while preserving most of his energy. And in the end, you could tear comic books and movies to pieces by applying our world's physics and whatnot if you really want to, but that's not what comic books are really about for the most part.

I get that Superman is a utopian modern day Jesus Christ in spandex, but what about the Kryptonite challenge question: Which is the better Kryptonite, Krypton's sun or Krypton its self?

This question is more important that trying to figure out, if you lock Superman and the Thing in a closet, who will win.

I don't really see the comparison. Jesus kinda promoted worship and promoted a religion and all of its demonizing "wonder". Superman doesn't want anything in return for his deeds. I don't get your question. I don't know if there's anything in the comics about that, personally.

 

[Backstep]

Think about it, when you throw a baseball, all you initially do is set that baseball in motion. Now imagine if you did that in space where there is little to no friction and mostly empty space. The momentum would be preserved from the initial burst of acceleration and would carry him forward without effort after the initial burst. So his expenditure of energy is just small for that initial acceleration while preserving most of his energy. And in the end, you could tear comic books and movies to pieces by applying our world's physics and whatnot if you really want to, but that's not what comic books are really about for the most part.

I don't really see the comparison. Jesus kinda promoted worship and promoted a religion and all of its demonizing "wonder". Superman doesn't want anything in return for his deeds. I don't get your question. I don't know if there's anything in the comics about that, personally.

Jesus never promoted worship or religion, that was done by his latter-day followers. Jesus didn't take anything for his deeds either.

As we know superman's planet is kryptonite to him and so is krypton's sun, the question is, what would kill him faster, the sun or the planet.

 

[mzzz]

Really? I thought Jesus was supposed to essentially be god, part of the whole holy trinity. He never denied that and just let everything escalate into that religion.

I don't know if Superman can really die. His power might become drained from Krypton's sun and planet, sure. But I don't think he can die, even when Doomsday 'killed' him. He just went into a coma and started regenerating. I don't know, I've never really read too many Superman comics. In All Star superman, he essentially becomes immune to Kryptonite and basically everything after he's done evolving and whatnot. What do you think? You seem to know more about that than I.

 

[Bluce Ree]

Think about it, when you throw a baseball, all you initially do is set that baseball in motion. Now imagine if you did that in space where there is little to no friction and mostly empty space. The momentum would be preserved from the initial burst of acceleration and would carry him forward without effort after the initial burst. So his expenditure of energy is just small for that initial acceleration while preserving most of his energy. And in the end, you could tear comic books and movies to pieces by applying our world's physics and whatnot if you really want to, but that's not what comic books are really about for the most part.

I'm not talking about the physics of lunging himself through empty space. I'm talking about:

- kryptonite or red sun = bye bye superman
- flying to Krypton (home of kryptonite) that orbits his red sun = still super powers??

 

[mzzz]

The drain on his energy reserves isn't that instantaneous, it really is a drain. I guess you could think of it like a car, the car still functions even though its battery energy is decreasing. The overall functions are still there but has a shorter overall time span due to the battery energy being shortened. Plus, he's sorta immortal.

 

[Joelist]

I'm still waiting for the big screen Super Chicken movie...

 

[shavedape]

The drain on his energy reserves isn't that instantaneous, it really is a drain. I guess you could think of it like a car, the car still functions even though its battery energy is decreasing. The overall functions are still there but has a shorter overall time span due to the battery energy being shortened. Plus, he's sorta immortal.

Good Christ

How is Superman immortal??? He came to Earth as a baby, grew up at a normal Earth rate, and from what we see of Jor-El, his biological father (who is no Spring chicken) there's definitely a lifespan for Kryptonians. So, no, Superman is not immortal.

And there's no such thing as "sorta immortal" the same way there's no such thing as "sorta pregnant".

 

[Backstep]

Really? I thought Jesus was supposed to essentially be god, part of the whole holy trinity. He never denied that and just let everything escalate into that religion.

I don't know if Superman can really die. His power might become drained from Krypton's sun and planet, sure. But I don't think he can die, even when Doomsday 'killed' him. He just went into a coma and started regenerating. I don't know, I've never really read too many Superman comics. In All Star superman, he essentially becomes immune to Kryptonite and basically everything after he's done evolving and whatnot. What do you think? You seem to know more about that than I.

Maybe need to make a thread of the Archeological origins of Christians. You might be surprised how the origins are steeped in blood in the 300 year war of who is the best Christian sect, what the Church of Peter did to win and what it did after the win. And the most hated and deviled fact about Christianity, how the early proselytizing Christians into Persia created Islam.

IMO it would be a combination of the two, both the sun and planet will zap his energy to the point he will not have enough power to break free of the solar system and just become an object orbiting the Krypton sun.

 

[OMNI]

Hey, they could have cast Dwayne Johnson as Superman and Vin Diesel as Luthor.

id Watch that....

 

[Bluce Ree]

The drain on his energy reserves isn't that instantaneous, it really is a drain. I guess you could think of it like a car, the car still functions even though its battery energy is decreasing. The overall functions are still there but has a shorter overall time span due to the battery energy being shortened. Plus, he's sorta immortal.

kryptonite = instant weakness


That's all I'll say.

 

[shavedape]

Hey, they could have cast Dwayne Johnson as Superman and Vin Diesel as Luthor.

At first when I read this I actually groaned, but then when I thought about it the casting you suggest seems appropriate in many ways, for Superman that is. He's a sucky character anyway so might as well go full cartoon with it.

 

[mzzz]

Good Christ

How is Superman immortal??? He came to Earth as a baby, grew up at a normal Earth rate, and from what we see of Jor-El, his biological father (who is no Spring chicken) there's definitely a lifespan for Kryptonians. So, no, Superman is not immortal.

And there's no such thing as "sorta immortal" the same way there's no such thing as "sorta pregnant".

Yea, you're right. I can't think of the word but its not entirely invincible, but to the point where he can get hurt but not killed. Kryptons from Krypton are different from Clark cause Clark has been on Earth soaking up the sun for almost his whole life, long term exposure to the sun. His physiology is different and evolving. In All Star he becomes 3 times more powerful with just a sundip permanently. Then after he goes into the sun itself and spends a 100 centuries inside the sun and comes out basically the most powerful entity in DC comic-verse, immortal and a whole slew of other powers including the ability to learn more powers I think and a Green Lantern ring, craziness.

Maybe need to make a thread of the Archeological origins of Christians. You might be surprised how the origins are steeped in blood in the 300 year war of who is the best Christian sect, what the Church of Peter did to win and what it did after the win. And the most hated and deviled fact about Christianity, how the early proselytizing Christians into Persia created Islam.

IMO it would be a combination of the two, both the sun and planet will zap his energy to the point he will not have enough power to break free of the solar system and just become an object orbiting the Krypton sun.

Yeah, all religions are derived from earlier religions.

They should have left this scene in Superman Returns, it would've been better maybe:

 

[Gatefan1976]

Superman with a GL ring, wonderful

 

[mzzz]

Think Grant Morrison and company might have went slightly overboard with Supes cause of Marvel and them trying to create superheroes to rival Superman's, the most obvious copy being Sentry. Although, he did come up with a pretty good original story with Supes, it's pretty hard to write for Superman.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Suppose Kryptonite is not a mineral, but a gigantic rubber dildo.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Suppose Kryptonite is not a mineral, but a gigantic rubber dildo.

Either way, he would be Frackked

 

[Bluce Ree]

They should have left this scene in Superman Returns, it would've been better maybe:

It would've been the only scene I would have sat through and still sucked.

If that's the level of technology they had, why did no one survive?

 

[mzzz]

I don't think you can plan for a natural disaster or unplanned attack, I've seen both versions in Superman. I'm hoping this movie doesn't disappoint and launches the DC movie verse.