Man of Angst ( a.k.a. Man of Steel )

heisenberg

Earl Grey
Quite a big difference between the metacritic score and imdb score...Hmm...to watch or not to watch?

Not coming till the 27th here though.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/
 

mzzz

Well Known GateFan
Quite a big difference between the metacritic score and imdb score...Hmm...to watch or not to watch?

Not coming till the 27th here though.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/
I'd watch it man, most of the hard-hitting critics wanted a Donner/Reeve and/or Marvel flick, but the general populace liked it for the most part as you can see from the imdb score. Plus this movie is supposed to launch the DC movie verse. There are weaknesses for sure, but overall it was pretty good. Or you can go, then come here and bitch about it if you'd like.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
We went to see Man of Angst yesterday.

First, I have to say that they finally grew up with the premise. Sure, there's still some magic aspect to Superman, as in how the hell does he fly, but we actually get some sci-fi with regards to Krypton, their technology and Kal El's power. In fact, I found that it had a lot of sci-fi for a superhero movie.

Superman's "kryptonite" isnt' kryptonite at all.
Turns out that merely breathing Krypton's atmosphere neutralizes his power, which I thought was odd given that he can survive in space. So, now we know that Superman can be defeated with the right combination of gases. Let's see if they conveniently let this one go in the next instalment.

This movie was sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. I can't stretch that word out enough to emphasize how slow it was. So slow, in fact, my wife exclaimed "When does this movie actually start?" about 1h30 into the movie.

I have to give this movie some points, though. I like the Krypton back story. They did a great job showing us what happened on Krypton and who they were and why they came to the point they were at.

General Zod was brilliant thanks to Michael Shannon's performance. He and his crew were not the cheesy Christopher Reeve era villains we've come to know. They actually had a purpose and, once you understand how Krypton society works, you begin to understand Zod's purpose, why he feels his mission is noble and that Zod and his crew were not necessarily "evil".

The beginning was full of angst. Too much angst. So much so that this movie was improperly named "Man of Steel". We spend way too much time soul-searching and dealing with angst. This part, it seems, the critics had nailed squarely. Yes, the movie was more adult and had its good moments. Fantastic moments, in fact, but the angst and drama took too much of the movie. At one point, it almost felt like I was watching a sappy drama and had forgotten at that moment that this was a superhero movie.

Some parts were absolutely stupid. Some examples that stand out:

Clark's dad had this holier-than-thou attitude toward Clark hiding his identity. At one point, a giant tornado comes out of nowhere and, in spite of the fact that Clark could have saved their family dog without anyone being the wiser, his dad tells him to go hide under the bridge with his mother while he goes back to the car to save the dog, ultimately getting sucked into the tornado while Clark looks on screaming "Noooooooooooooooooooooo!".

Krypton was doomed. Its core had become unstable and the planet was about to self destruct. This knowledge was well known and was not a secret from ANYONE. So, why the HELL did they sentence Zod and his crew to the phantom zone, in stasis, WITH A SHIP?? Why not just leave them on the planet to die with everyone else? WTF?!?

The reason Krypton's core became unstable is because Kryptonians were harvesting it for energy. Long ago, Kryptonians were a space-fairing race. They had outposts throughout the galaxy, including Earth. Then, for some bizarre, unexplainable reason, they decided to abandon all space exploration and retreated to their planet. You'd think the need for energy sources would outweigh their need to be xenophobic. That being said, the very notion that they had no means of alternate energy except to harvest the planet's core until it became unstable is insulting to everyone's intelligence. Just listening to that tripe dropped my IQ a little.

Lastly, and this is no secret, they end up destroying a significant portion of the city. Buildings were toppling over like a bad game of Jenga. Destruction was done almost with complete abandon for effect. So much of the city was destroyed, in fact, that there is probably a good 50 years worth of rebuilding. However, we'll probably be treated to a shiny new fixed up Metropolis by the next movie.

The movie was enjoyable. The parts with action were truly action-packed. The fight scenes, though, could have been more creative. We spend too much time watching each of them drag the other one through miles of pavement or through building walls. They're all super. They know it, we know it. No amount of throwing each other through pavement or buildings is going to hurt any of them.
 

Joelist

What ship is this?
Staff member
Sometimes I think today's superhero film writers should be locked in a room and shown Singer's X-Men and X2 over and over and test them on the elements of those films until they properly get WHY they are still today the blueprint other "good" superhero films have used. And a big reason is that those two films worked so well is the virtual total lack of angst. They had a darker, more realistic tone but very little angsty nonsense.
 

mzzz

Well Known GateFan
We went to see Man of Angst yesterday.

First, I have to say that they finally grew up with the premise. Sure, there's still some magic aspect to Superman, as in how the hell does he fly, but we actually get some sci-fi with regards to Krypton, their technology and Kal El's power. In fact, I found that it had a lot of sci-fi for a superhero movie.

Superman's "kryptonite" isnt' kryptonite at all.
Turns out that merely breathing Krypton's atmosphere neutralizes his power, which I thought was odd given that he can survive in space. So, now we know that Superman can be defeated with the right combination of gases. Let's see if they conveniently let this one go in the next instalment.

This movie was sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. I can't stretch that word out enough to emphasize how slow it was. So slow, in fact, my wife exclaimed "When does this movie actually start?" about 1h30 into the movie.

I have to give this movie some points, though. I like the Krypton back story. They did a great job showing us what happened on Krypton and who they were and why they came to the point they were at.

General Zod was brilliant thanks to Michael Shannon's performance. He and his crew were not the cheesy Christopher Reeve era villains we've come to know. They actually had a purpose and, once you understand how Krypton society works, you begin to understand Zod's purpose, why he feels his mission is noble and that Zod and his crew were not necessarily "evil".

The beginning was full of angst. Too much angst. So much so that this movie was improperly named "Man of Steel". We spend way too much time soul-searching and dealing with angst. This part, it seems, the critics had nailed squarely. Yes, the movie was more adult and had its good moments. Fantastic moments, in fact, but the angst and drama took too much of the movie. At one point, it almost felt like I was watching a sappy drama and had forgotten at that moment that this was a superhero movie.

Some parts were absolutely stupid. Some examples that stand out:

Clark's dad had this holier-than-thou attitude toward Clark hiding his identity. At one point, a giant tornado comes out of nowhere and, in spite of the fact that Clark could have saved their family dog without anyone being the wiser, his dad tells him to go hide under the bridge with his mother while he goes back to the car to save the dog, ultimately getting sucked into the tornado while Clark looks on screaming "Noooooooooooooooooooooo!".

Krypton was doomed. Its core had become unstable and the planet was about to self destruct. This knowledge was well known and was not a secret from ANYONE. So, why the HELL did they sentence Zod and his crew to the phantom zone, in stasis, WITH A SHIP?? Why not just leave them on the planet to die with everyone else? WTF?!?

The reason Krypton's core became unstable is because Kryptonians were harvesting it for energy. Long ago, Kryptonians were a space-fairing race. They had outposts throughout the galaxy, including Earth. Then, for some bizarre, unexplainable reason, they decided to abandon all space exploration and retreated to their planet. You'd think the need for energy sources would outweigh their need to be xenophobic. That being said, the very notion that they had no means of alternate energy except to harvest the planet's core until it became unstable is insulting to everyone's intelligence. Just listening to that tripe dropped my IQ a little.

Lastly, and this is no secret, they end up destroying a significant portion of the city. Buildings were toppling over like a bad game of Jenga. Destruction was done almost with complete abandon for effect. So much of the city was destroyed, in fact, that there is probably a good 50 years worth of rebuilding. However, we'll probably be treated to a shiny new fixed up Metropolis by the next movie.

The movie was enjoyable. The parts with action were truly action-packed. The fight scenes, though, could have been more creative. We spend too much time watching each of them drag the other one through miles of pavement or through building walls. They're all super. They know it, we know it. No amount of throwing each other through pavement or buildings is going to hurt any of them.

Not gonna spoiler this, if you haven't seen it, then you're probably not going to at this point.

Hmmm, really? I thought the so-called angst you're saying was very similar to Bruce in Batman Begins, he goes around doing stuff and has some pivotal moment that sent him on that journey to becoming what Batman, or with Clark Superman. The structure was the same, but the flashbacks were a bit more jerky in Man of Steel. Really felt Nolan had a hand here. Started off with him somewhere out there and getting into situations and whatnot. To me the moment where they both started their journey was Bruce throwing away the gun after the confrontation with the mob guy and Pa Kent in the tornado. They both, I think, started their world trek then. Then they both come home after they find what they were looking for, Batman with his newfound purpose and training with League of Shadows and Clark with his newfound purpose and discovering the ancient ship as well. Didn't think it was as angsty as you're making it out to be man, was structured almost exactly the same as Batman Begins. lol, I wonder why no one noticed that part though, the similar structure.

I don't know if it's really some combination of gases that drain his power, seems more like mimicking the effects of a red sun or something maybe inside the ship? I mean, if the Kryptonians were in space, they likely would still be 'weak' without the gases in Krypton. If it was just a mixture of gases, then when holo Jor-el changed the atmosphere inside the ship, that would mean it's not the effect of the yellow sun but rather Earth's atmosphere which wouldn't make sense cause Supes has powers when he's outside of Earth's atmosphere. I really think the environmental change had more to do with the mimicking of a sun's effect rather than a mixture of atmospheric gases.

Yeah, the Pa Kent tornado scene could have been written better, agree about that. You missed the point where Jor-El was only presenting to the Council. The case he brings up was only presented to the official heads, not everyone knew about the planet destabilizing. It wasn't common knowledge. Before you ask about Zod, he was the military leader, part of the official heads. No one believed Jor-El in the council. They didn't think the planet was going to explode and didn't think it was destabilized even. They didn't believe him and dismissed him. Even Zod said, he and Jor-El were likely the only ones that believed Jor-El's warning.

Also, they don't really have a need for more resources and energy really. That would be true if they had an expanding population and whatnot. But their population was controlled with the codex or whatever. It'd output babies with skillsets that they needed. And the harvesting in the core was a recent development cause Jor-El said, he warned them what would happen if they started harvesting geothermal energy. Made it sound like very recent development, at least within his lifetime.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
Not gonna spoiler this, if you haven't seen it, then you're probably not going to at this point.

Hmmm, really? I thought the so-called angst you're saying was very similar to Bruce in Batman Begins, he goes around doing stuff and has some pivotal moment that sent him on that journey to becoming what Batman, or with Clark Superman. The structure was the same, but the flashbacks were a bit more jerky in Man of Steel. Really felt Nolan had a hand here. Started off with him somewhere out there and getting into situations and whatnot. To me the moment where they both started their journey was Bruce throwing away the gun after the confrontation with the mob guy and Pa Kent in the tornado. They both, I think, started their world trek then. Then they both come home after they find what they were looking for, Batman with his newfound purpose and training with League of Shadows and Clark with his newfound purpose and discovering the ancient ship as well. Didn't think it was as angsty as you're making it out to be man, was structured almost exactly the same as Batman Begins. lol, I wonder why no one noticed that part though, the similar structure.


It may have been structured the same but it was executed differently in Batman Begins. The angst and soul searching in Batman Begins also didn't take up nearly 3/4 of the movie.


I don't know if it's really some combination of gases that drain his power, seems more like mimicking the effects of a red sun or something maybe inside the ship?

I mean, if the Kryptonians were in space, they likely would still be 'weak' without the gases in Krypton. If it was just a mixture of gases, then when holo Jor-el changed the atmosphere inside the ship, that would mean it's not the effect of the yellow sun but rather Earth's atmosphere which wouldn't make sense cause Supes has powers when he's outside of Earth's atmosphere. I really think the environmental change had more to do with the mimicking of a sun's effect rather than a mixture of atmospheric gases.

Superman not only chokes when he's breathing on the ship but Zod also mentions the atmospheric difference as being the reason why he loses his power. We also see Superman choking near the terraforming machine.

I'm not the only one who noticed:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/the-best-worst-of-man-of-steel-20130617

IAN | JUNE 22, 2013 12:19 AM

Okay, I'm not a big Superman geek, but I thought there were details that just didn't make sense and some that seemed to contradict themselves.

Like why were the Krypton refugees so immediately powerful on Earth if they were wearing gas masks? When Superman breathes their ships' air he's immediately weak, but they were just automatically strong, fast , indestructible, etc even with gas masks?? Doesn't make sense. Superman' power was supposed to be a product of weaker gravity, sure, but also of years of our young sun's radiation, years of our air, etc. To me the whole movie was a write-off from that point alone.

Superman's cells changed and adapted as they absorbed the radiation from the yellow sun through the years since he was a baby. That's what Jor-El said, anyhow. In any case, the whole thing is an inconsistent crock of shit. The blog post above points out the stupid inconsistency.

Yeah, the Pa Kent tornado scene could have been written better, agree about that. You missed the point where Jor-El was only presenting to the Council. The case he brings up was only presented to the official heads, not everyone knew about the planet destabilizing. It wasn't common knowledge. Before you ask about Zod, he was the military leader, part of the official heads. No one believed Jor-El in the council. They didn't think the planet was going to explode and didn't think it was destabilized even. They didn't believe him and dismissed him. Even Zod said, he and Jor-El were likely the only ones that believed Jor-El's warning.

Also, they don't really have a need for more resources and energy really. That would be true if they had an expanding population and whatnot. But their population was controlled with the codex or whatever. It'd output babies with skillsets that they needed. And the harvesting in the core was a recent development cause Jor-El said, he warned them what would happen if they started harvesting geothermal energy. Made it sound like very recent development, at least within his lifetime.


Yet more contrived nonsense for the purpose of making the story fit. For a species that had achieved interstellar travel and were so technologically advanced, they were pretty stupid. It's like they had no scientists and Jor-El was the only smart guy left.

That whole scene felt like I was watching "Idiocracy". When stepping back and seeing how much of the story and premise grew up, that scene felt completely out of place. It didn't belong in this version of the story. It was concocted to explain why Kal-El was sent to Earth and why Krypton is no more. They had changed much of Superman universe in this movie, including his back-story, the Kryptonians, Zod, and even dropped kryptonite as being his weakness, I don't see why they wouldn't have rewritten that part as well and made it less like it was written for an 8 year old and more on par with the rest of the movie.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Sorry guys but no matter how you tweak it the Superman story is fatally flawed. As comics and cartoons go it may be fine for little kids but not so much for grown adults -- unless of course you're a grown adult with the mind of a child. :winking0052:
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
Sorry guys but no matter how you tweak it the Superman story is fatally flawed. As comics and cartoons go it may be fine for little kids but not so much for grown adults -- unless of course you're a grown adult with the mind of a child. :winking0052:


It wasn't as bad as "The Dark Knight Rises" but not worth the price of a movie ticket. We caught it at a drive-in movie in Sunrise for $5 but, at that price, you get a triple feature and you can drive up to any of the 14 screens to catch the next movie playing AND you can bring in all the food you want since you're in your own car. :D
 

mzzz

Well Known GateFan
It may have been structured the same but it was executed differently in Batman Begins. The angst and soul searching in Batman Begins also didn't take up nearly 3/4 of the movie.




Superman not only chokes when he's breathing on the ship but Zod also mentions the atmospheric difference as being the reason why he loses his power. We also see Superman choking near the terraforming machine.

I'm not the only one who noticed:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/the-best-worst-of-man-of-steel-20130617



Superman's cells changed and adapted as they absorbed the radiation from the yellow sun through the years since he was a baby. That's what Jor-El said, anyhow. In any case, the whole thing is an inconsistent crock of shit. The blog post above points out the stupid inconsistency.




Yet more contrived nonsense for the purpose of making the story fit. For a species that had achieved interstellar travel and were so technologically advanced, they were pretty stupid. It's like they had no scientists and Jor-El was the only smart guy left.

That whole scene felt like I was watching "Idiocracy". When stepping back and seeing how much of the story and premise grew up, that scene felt completely out of place. It didn't belong in this version of the story. It was concocted to explain why Kal-El was sent to Earth and why Krypton is no more. They had changed much of Superman universe in this movie, including his back-story, the Kryptonians, Zod, and even dropped kryptonite as being his weakness, I don't see why they wouldn't have rewritten that part as well and made it less like it was written for an 8 year old and more on par with the rest of the movie.

He chokes cause of his lungs are suddenly having to adapt to the new environment. And he chokes with the whatever machine cause he breathes in the smoke/smog into his lungs, wouldn't you choke then?

It's not gases, man. If there were gases, then the gases inside the ship would generate a pressure. And when he punched the wall, you didn't see a sudden burst of decompression or even lots of things just flying out. If there were gases, such a thing would have occurred. His cloak didn't even move much which would have happened if gases were suddenly being vented. Wish they had written out the whole terraform machine thing altogether and just had Supes duke it out with the Kryptonians in a less destructive manner. But then again, he is just a rookie, just starting out and figuring things out.

A lot of the things with Krypton and its backstory is from the comics man, but probably not the ones you've read.

I hope they actually do deal with the fallout in the next movie and have Superman evolve his tactics of fighting. Didn't like that a lot of Metropolis was leveled.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
He chokes cause of his lungs are suddenly having to adapt to the new environment. And he chokes with the whatever machine cause he breathes in the smoke/smog into his lungs, wouldn't you choke then?

Did you get my point or are you stuck on the intricacies of this pointless detail?

It's not gases, man. If there were gases, then the gases inside the ship would generate a pressure. And when he punched the wall, you didn't see a sudden burst of decompression or even lots of things just flying out.

Forgive my ignorance but what's your point here? That the ship had no atmospheric pressure keeping them all alive? So, Lois and everyone else on board were holding their breath, right? I chalk that up to poor attention to detail, not proof the ship had no atmosphere. :icon_lol:

Did you retain any of the dialogue that took place in this movie? That's the second time you're ignoring something that was actually mentioned by one of the main characters. :D

If there were gases, such a thing would have occurred. His cloak didn't even move much which would have happened if gases were suddenly being vented. Wish they had written out the whole terraform machine thing altogether and just had Supes duke it out with the Kryptonians in a less destructive manner. But then again, he is just a rookie, just starting out and figuring things out.

A lot of the things with Krypton and its backstory is from the comics man, but probably not the ones you've read.

Neither the comics I read nor the movies I've seen. I liked the Krypton back story in this movie. It was much more together (for lack of a better word) than the childish bullshit before this movie. I liked that Zod's motivations were noble in his mind and in the context of his purpose and not just driven by some power-hungry megalomaniac urges.

I hope they actually do deal with the fallout in the next movie and have Superman evolve his tactics of fighting. Didn't like that a lot of Metropolis was leveled.


I'm ok with the fact he was new and inexperienced. It's just that they spent way too much time tearing up roads and buildings not giving a second thought as to how they're going to explain the city is magically all fixed up in the sequel because Superman's story taking place in what looks like a war-torn wasteland that was Metropolis won't make much of a compelling backdrop.
 

mzzz

Well Known GateFan
Did you get my point or are you stuck on the intricacies of this pointless detail?



Forgive my ignorance but what's your point here? That the ship had no atmospheric pressure keeping them all alive? So, Lois and everyone else on board were holding their breath, right? I chalk that up to poor attention to detail, not proof the ship had no atmosphere. :icon_lol:

Did you retain any of the dialogue that took place in this movie? That's the second time you're ignoring something that was actually mentioned by one of the main characters. :D



Neither the comics I read nor the movies I've seen. I liked the Krypton back story in this movie. It was much more together (for lack of a better word) than the childish bullshit before this movie. I liked that Zod's motivations were noble in his mind and in the context of his purpose and not just driven by some power-hungry megalomaniac urges.




I'm ok with the fact he was new and inexperienced. It's just that they spent way too much time tearing up roads and buildings not giving a second thought as to how they're going to explain the city is magically all fixed up in the sequel because Superman's story taking place in what looks like a war-torn wasteland that was Metropolis won't make much of a compelling backdrop.
Point was that the presence of gases cause pressure, but there was no rapid depressurization when he hit the wall. Things didn't start flying out, so didn't seem like there were much gases present responsible for Clark losing his powers. Lois had a mask. Kryptonian atmosphere would also include the radiation of an older sun just as Earth's atmosphere contains the radiation of a younger sun. Thinking back, I don't think it's just merely gases responsible for powering and depowering Superman, it's likely both maybe, I think Jor El did say solar radiation and Earth's nourishing environment. The Kryptonians had their gas masks off in the ship, so they likely had the sun's radiation blocked since they weren't developing their powers right away. Eh, it's supposed to be a superhero movie anyways, would expect sci-fi elements more in Trek, but not this new Trek.

Yeah, hope they address the widespread destruction of Metropolis, or at least indicate that people were being evacuated when the Kryptonians started becoming hostile over in Smallville and whatnot. Or at least have Superman help rebuild. The ending seemed a bit too rushed. The movie seemed like it was two movies in one, Superman I and Superman II.

lol, also did you notice how Lois had a cop drive her over to the Kent house and yelled out Clark when she went to see him? His secret seems pretty out, at least in Smallville with Pete and the priest maybe. But somethings, you just gotta dismiss I guess.

They're obviously ditching that last terrible Green Lantern movie cause you can't have two first encounter with aliens. Wonder who and how they're gonna start bringing in the rest of the characters into this. Personally, I think they should just introduce Batman next and then a Justice League movie instead of doing what Marvel did. And if some characters generate a lot of interest in Justice League, they could branch off and do individual ones with them.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
Point was that the presence of gases cause pressure, but there was no rapid depressurization when he hit the wall.

Yes, shitty oversight in post-edit and yet another detail they didn't catch but Zod was clear about Kal-El breathing Kryptonian air and the effect it was having on him. There's no debate to be had here.

Things didn't start flying out, so didn't seem like there were much gases present responsible for Clark losing his powers. Lois had a mask. Kryptonian atmosphere would also include the radiation of an older sun just as Earth's atmosphere contains the radiation of a younger sun.

For a guy who has displayed some very solid knowledge when it comes to various sciences, you're really pulling this one right out of your ass, aren't you? We're talking about a life-support system environment on a ship, not a quick trip to Krypton. :icon_lol:

Thinking back, I don't think it's just merely gases responsible for powering and depowering Superman, it's likely both maybe, I think Jor El did say solar radiation and Earth's nourishing environment. The Kryptonians had their gas masks off in the ship, so they likely had the sun's radiation blocked since they weren't developing their powers right away. Eh, it's supposed to be a superhero movie anyways, would expect sci-fi elements more in Trek, but not this new Trek.

I see what you're saying about them already being affected by the solar radiation while in orbit. The inconsistency still bothered me, though. I like when things are, at least, consistent within the reality they create in a movie. Zod had x-ray vision only when he removed his helmet. I can understand the super hearing being isolated by the helmet but the vision? What that tells me is that, while sustained within their suits environment, their powers were attenuated. Except that the super strength and speed negated that assumption. Silly, even nitpicking maybe but I like consistency in these types of movies. I don't like when writers take liberties with common sense just to fabricate a situation for a "cool" scene.

Sometimes it sucks watching these types of movies through adult eyes. :(

Yeah, hope they address the widespread destruction of Metropolis, or at least indicate that people were being evacuated when the Kryptonians started becoming hostile over in Smallville and whatnot. Or at least have Superman help rebuild. The ending seemed a bit too rushed. The movie seemed like it was two movies in one, Superman I and Superman II.

I'm with you here. I'm curious how they're going to address these issues in the sequel. The ending did feel kind of rushed.

lol, also did you notice how Lois had a cop drive her over to the Kent house and yelled out Clark when she went to see him? His secret seems pretty out, at least in Smallville with Pete and the priest maybe. But somethings, you just gotta dismiss I guess.

That's another thing they completely changed from the original mythos. Lois now knows who Clark is from the the beginning. For a moment, I thought they were going to have Lois instantly turn stupid when he (re)introduced himself to her at the Daily Planet. :D

They're obviously ditching that last terrible Green Lantern movie cause you can't have two first encounter with aliens. Wonder who and how they're gonna start bringing in the rest of the characters into this. Personally, I think they should just introduce Batman next and then a Justice League movie instead of doing what Marvel did. And if some characters generate a lot of interest in Justice League, they could branch off and do individual ones with them.


It'll be interesting to see how they do the Justice League story. DC needs to put out its group-hero movie franchise counterpart. :)
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
It'll be interesting to see how they do the Justice League story. DC needs to put out its group-hero movie franchise counterpart. :)


Yes, it will be interesting. I wonder how they'll handle the Batman character though. Will Christian Bale's Dark Knight character have anything to do with this one, or will they do Batman from scratch?
 
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Backstep

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Yes, it will be interesting. I wonder how they'll handle the Batman character though. Will Christian Bale's Dark Knight character have anything to do with this one, or will they do Batman from scratch?


If I saw the last Batman movie correct, 'Batman IS now a moniker'. The Wayne Foundation will continue and a new 'Batman' will be installed after the old 'Batman' is to broken to carry on.
 

Bluce Ree

Tech Admin / Council Member
If I saw the last Batman movie correct, 'Batman IS now a moniker'. The Wayne Foundation will continue and a new 'Batman' will be installed after the old 'Batman' is to broken to carry on.


You misspelled "mockery". I wish they would erase the last batman movie from existence. That entire movie was done over voicemail.


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shavedape

Well Known GateFan
The Justice League original line up has seven characters. So far they've got Batman, Superman and Green Lantern movies done but are those movies/actors going to be used the same way they were for the Avengers. And yes I know they didn't do backstory movies for all the Avengers, but it will be interesting to see how they manage it, what they keep from other franchises and what they jettison, including actors when it comes to the JL movie.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Okay, here's some info I found out about a JL movie. Appropriately enough it fits the thread since it's coming from the Man of Steel himself.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/06/25/justice-league-man-of-steel-cavill/

Henry Cavill talks 'Justice League': 'It won't be right away'


Man of Steel has grossed close to $400 million worldwide. That’s good news for Warner Bros. The reboot wasn’t just designed to relaunch the Superman franchise; it was explicitly intended to establish a whole expanded DC universe, with the potential to craft a multi-spinoff franchise series leading up to a Justice League movie. It’s a simply Marvel-ous plan — get it?GET IT? Despite the film’s success, Warner has been mum about any plans for future movies, outside of fervent rumors that they’re fastracking Man of Steel 2: Steel Harder for a 2014 release.

Says Cavill:
Justice League could be great if done correctly. It’s a very tough one to do because the DC comic heroes are all god-like in their power. So in this real world universe, real-world setting we’re telling our story in, it’s going to be tough to achieve that. It has to be done very delicately with a lot of thought. So, it won’t be right away. I hope it’s not, anyway. It may take some time of building up other movies and other characters and introducing them together in one way or another.
 
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