Mallozzi's Mailbag & More II

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
There is personal subjectivity and then there is outright denial of facts of reality. This discussion is about the latter, obviously, at least to those of us who don't evade reality that is. "Fundamental points" don't represent mere subjective tastes, they're lynch pins of the point of contention.

In a perfect world SGU wouldn't get an ending, proper or otherwise because SGU isn't perfect, not by a long shot. A perfect world assumes everyone gets what they want including those investing in the production of a movie. SGU wouldn't deliver profits as a movie. It is a proven failure. So much for perfection, at least for the suckers foolish enough to bankroll an SGU movie. :D

All the wishing in the world that SGU morphs into something it's not simply means that you willfully choose not to recognize the reality of SGU's nature. A dog is a dog is a dog. You want it to have an ending and in order for that to happen it would have to become a different show. You want that dog to morph into a cat even though you claim (loudly) to be a dog lover. It simply wouldn't be the SGU that you love so much. This is reality Yoshi. It's not a question of mere tastes conflicting, it's a matter of you, emotionally, trying to have your cake and eat it too -- at the expense of really good cake like SG-1 and SGA.

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I think SGU is a good show. I'm not denying facts or ignoring reality to make that claim, I just enjoy it. I don't want or expect it to become something else, I enjoyed it as it was just fine.

Just because you think there's massive, show breaking flaws doesn't mean that everyone shares that opinion. Ultimately it seems some of the thins you consider facts are just your opinions on the show.

And for the record I'm a dog and a cat person. Also Rabbits.
 

OMNI

My avatar speaks for itself.
Bolded...Ill just assume you are in a bad mood. :). SGU is a decent show? But V, NCIS, Sanctuary and Eureka are crap? :icon_e_confused:

SGU is hated by Stargate fans because it ruined the REAL Stargate show franchise. I couldnt care less if SGU had failed if Atlantis was still on the air alongside it. It would be gone, and Stargate would continue. But SGU and its ultra high cost and demand for set space in the studios at Bridge killed all of the rest of Stargate. I did not like ST: Enterprise. So, I watched Voyager instead. And because of Voyager and DS9 and TNG, Star Trek has been rebooted. It may take a revival of Stlantis or a new movie from Emmerich and Devlin to restart Stargate. But SGU is a destroyer of interest in Stargate, as proven by what happened to the show and to the fandom because of the show.

nope not in a bad mood i wholeheartedly think they suck monkey balls ;) so does ALL forms of "Trek" id did however enjoy the 09 trek movie.
and yes i understand that YOU hate SGU but isnt their even a Little tiny bit of logic in your head that some people may actually like it or that they can live with the flaws you find so annoying? i can live with you having a thing for trek even tho i HATE it i dont feel the need to crush you with all my might bc of it.

i can go on a Trek hating rant and list ALL the reasons why i think it sucks same with all the rest of the shows i mentioned but i choose not to as it serves no purpose whatsoever besides enrage and offend people who do like em.

people have diffrent oppinions on everything this is either resovled by violence (my prefered method) or its simply ignored but people will still think act and speak diffrent then eachother.

Also this GANGRAPE mentality going on here towards Yoshi is not something i can stand by sure we both get it you dont like sgu and there are hundreds of threads here which state your oppinion on the matter isnt that enough? personally i thought this place would NOT be SGUS but both of you are proving that wrong atm.

FFS live and let live get over it you have all that youve ever wanted with SGU cancelled cant you just be happy with that and NIOT feel the need to regurgitate the same goddamned things again and again and again?

jesus ****** christ.

NOW I AM IN A BAD MOOD!
 

OMNI

My avatar speaks for itself.
couldnt find one that said heritic? :P

I think SGU is a good show. I'm not denying facts or ignoring reality to make that claim, I just enjoy it. I don't want or expect it to become something else, I enjoyed it as it was just fine.

Just because you think there's massive, show breaking flaws doesn't mean that everyone shares that opinion. Ultimately it seems some of the thins you consider facts are just your opinions on the show.

And for the record I'm a dog and a cat person. Also Rabbits.

Bolded i agree with.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Who is attacking Yoshi?

nope not in a bad mood i wholeheartedly think they suck monkey balls ;) so does ALL forms of "Trek" id did however enjoy the 09 trek movie.
and yes i understand that YOU hate SGU but isnt their even a Little tiny bit of logic in your head that some people may actually like it or that they can live with the flaws you find so annoying?

i can go on a Trek hating rant and list ALL the reasons why i think it sucks same with all the rest of the shows i mentioned but i choose not to as it serves no purpose whatsoever besides enrage and offend people who do like em.

people have diffrent oppinions on everything this is either resovled by violence (my prefered method) or its simply ignored but people will still think act and speak diffrent then eachother.

Also this GANGRAPE mentality going on here towards Yoshi is not something i can stand by sure we both get it you dont like sgu and there are hundreds of threads here which state your oppinion on the matter isnt that enough? personally i thought this place would NOT be SGUS but both of you are proving that wrong atm.

FFS live and let live get over it you have all that youve ever wanted with SGU cancelled cant you just be happy with that and NIOT feel the need to regurgitate the same goddamned things again and again and again?

jesus ****** christ.

NOW I AM IN A BAD MOOD!

Nobody is attacking Yoshi. I am attacking SGU, and everytime SGU is discussed, some will praise it (like you and Yoshi), and others will not. Attacking individuals in the public forums is a violation of the CCPG. ;) Discussions are supposed to flow, not be snipped or stifled just because somebody is bored hearing "the same thing over and over". All anyone has to do is go to a different thread or start a new one. There are literally tens of thousands of ways to say "SGU sucks", and most of them have been said over and over :)

You can do a Trek rant if you want! Perhaps you might consider posting a list of shows YOU think were not crap, and then see how that thread goes.
 

OMNI

My avatar speaks for itself.
Nobody is attacking Yoshi. I am attacking SGU, and everytime SGU is discussed, some will praise it (like you and Yoshi), and others will not. Attacking individuals in the public forums is a violation of the CCPG. ;) Discussions are supposed to flow, not be snipped or stifled just because somebody is bored hearing "the same thing over and over". All anyone has to do is go to a different thread or start a new one. There are literally tens of thousands of ways to say "SGU sucks", and most of them have been said over and over :)

You can do a Trek rant if you want! Perhaps you might consider posting a list of shows YOU think were not crap, and then see how that thread goes.

im not prasing sgu but im not bagging on it either, the dif between us is i can stand it and i apreaciate it for what it is ie semi watchable crap but it still touches on something i did like SG1 and SGA however minute it may be.

and like i said i see no need to argue my oppinion or become a religios nutcase that has to spread their view oppion way of life and religion to EVERYONE! and that is what i think you guys are doing, just accept people are difrent and have diffrent oppinions dont be a SGUHate-Nazi.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
nope not in a bad mood i wholeheartedly think they suck monkey balls ;) so does ALL forms of "Trek" id did however enjoy the 09 trek movie.
and yes i understand that YOU hate SGU but isnt their even a Little tiny bit of logic in your head that some people may actually like it or that they can live with the flaws you find so annoying? i can live with you having a thing for trek even tho i HATE it i dont feel the need to crush you with all my might bc of it.

i can go on a Trek hating rant and list ALL the reasons why i think it sucks same with all the rest of the shows i mentioned but i choose not to as it serves no purpose whatsoever besides enrage and offend people who do like em.

people have diffrent oppinions on everything this is either resovled by violence (my prefered method) or its simply ignored but people will still think act and speak diffrent then eachother.

Also this GANGRAPE mentality going on here towards Yoshi is not something i can stand by sure we both get it you dont like sgu and there are hundreds of threads here which state your oppinion on the matter isnt that enough? personally i thought this place would NOT be SGUS but both of you are proving that wrong atm.

FFS live and let live get over it you have all that youve ever wanted with SGU cancelled cant you just be happy with that and NIOT feel the need to regurgitate the same goddamned things again and again and again?

jesus ****** christ.

NOW I AM IN A BAD MOOD!

Gotta agree with OM1 on this one. We aren't attacking Yoshi or you, we're simply engaging in discussion/debate about a favorite topic.

Back at the old site things got out of hand and were more like "attacking". We don't do that here now.

Even though I know I won't change Yoshi's mind I enjoy debating him over this topic because it is intellectually fun for me. I'm not talking about mocking him or attacking him personally, rather, I'm talking about the thrill of having to defend my position and make my case logically. No worries and no foul.

And I love the "my preferred method" line. :D Good one!
 

OMNI

My avatar speaks for itself.
Gotta agree with OM1 on this one. We aren't attacking Yoshi or you, we're simply engaging in discussion/debate about a favorite topic.

Back at the old site things got out of hand and were more like "attacking". We don't do that here now.

Even though I know I won't change Yoshi's mind I enjoy debating him over this topic because it is intellectually fun for me. I'm not talking about mocking him or attacking him personally, rather, I'm talking about the thrill of having to defend my position and make my case logically. No worries and no foul.

And I love the "my preferred method" line. :D Good one!

hey if you cant win an argument with words.. cave their skull in and voila youve won ;)
i hate people who says violence doesnt solve anything frak look at human history EVERYTHING has been resolved by violence.
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
hey if you cant win an argument with words.. cave their skull in and voila youve won ;)
i hate people who says violence doesnt solve anything frak look at human history EVERYTHING has been resolved by violence.

With this perchance OMNI?

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heisenberg

Earl Grey
Received an email from the lovely Tanja yesterday. She was our production coordinator for many, many years of the Stargate franchise and was in the offices the other day to coordinate the final wrap. Apparently, it was a very melancholy vibe as work began on de-rigging Stage 5 first. Stage 5, as you may or may not know, was home to Stargate: Universe’s Icarus base but, for many, many years before that, it held the standing sets for Stargate: SG-1: the SGC corridors, the infirmary, the control room, the briefing, Hammond’s office (later occupied by O’Neill, then Landry) and, of course, the gate room. Sad times indeed.
The news got me thinking about my many years on the franchise and the many great memories I took away. So, I was wondering: What were YOUR favorite memories of the franchise? Start thinking because, tomorrow, I’m going to tackle my first year on the franchise: SG’1 season four, and talk about some of MY favorite memories of that particular season.
In the here and now, meanwhile, work continues on Transporter: The Series as we get down to our next round of scripts. I was finally able to sit down and write the Tease of my second script (episode 5). I hope to make some major inroads this long weekend and aim to have half the script completed by mid next week before we head down to L.A. for the big casting to-do. Some very talented, very interesting people in the mix including a few familiar faces.
Reading this makes me think Brad wright hasn't conveyed the news that he had plans of blending all 3 stargate together...




Mailbag:


Taylor writes: “In relation to Stargate, what do you think the chances of MGM allowing the Scripts for the SG1, Atlantis, and perhaps SGU novelization would be?”
Answer: Unfortunately, I have no idea what MGM has planned for the future of Stargate and, specifically, the scripts for the SG-1 movie (Stargate: Revolution) and Atlantis movie (Stargate: Extinction). I would love to see them released in some for but, at the end of the day, it’s out of my hands. In the coming weeks, I’ll offer a little insight into the latter (since Carl and Brad were working on Revolution, I defer to them on providing details on the SG-1 movie), detailing the basic premise of the story and some of the interesting developments we had in store for the characters and, of course, the city of Atlantis itself.


Chance writes: “ If the sales of this are good, MGM would have to consider the possibility of making the Atlantis movie, which could lead to other movies for the other shows. Is this scenario plausible or is it just wishful thinking?”
Answer: As much as I hate to say it, that would just be wishful thinking. This chapter of the



Stargate franchise (SG-1, Atlantis, and Universe) has apparently been closed and, if we see something in the (hopefully) not too distant future, I imagine it would be more something along the lines of a re-imagining of the brand.


jinx writes: “So where will the franchise go from here if they ever decide to resurrect it?”
Answer: No idea. That’s up to MGM.


dasNdanger writes: “Psst! Joey! You GOTTA ask Sparrow about the book she co-wrote. It tops anything you’ve ever done! AND it has pictures, too!”
Answer: Okay, I’m asking. Sparrow?


E writes: “Could you tell us what was the purple fruit about? There’s been two threads about it on GW, they’ve both been pulled because the discussion got very guttery and the third thread is barely surviving.”
Answer: That damn purple fruit. What the hell WAS it good for? We asked Rob this question (he wrote the script for Common Descent) and he simply shrugged and claimed he didn’t know. There was considerable speculation in the writers’ room, none of which can be repeated on this blog.


PBMom writes: “ How is Jelly feeling? Did the UTI clear up and is she back to her baseline?”
Answer: Jelly is doing much better, thanks. Still quite wobbly on those hind legs but otherwise in good spirits – especially when I carry her around.


cat4444 writes: “Hey, any chance we’ll find out anything more about the origin of the drones that keep attacking Destiny or was that something that would have been followed up in Season 3 had there been one?”
Answer: It may well have been a story we could have touched on in season 3. Although we never really sat down and discussed, the backstory for the drones I originally included in Resurgence – that was later cut for time – talked about the fact that they were a weapon created by one side in an interstellar conflict. It proved all too effective, wiping out the enemy, then turning on its creators and wiping them out as well. As for who these creators were – I guess we’ll never know.


dasNdanger writes: “Wait. Exactly how do you know what a Parisian brothel smells like…?”
Answer: Wouldn’t it just smell like a regular brother with the addition of absinthe and cheap cigarettes?


Randomness writes: “So what did you think of Eden of the East Joe? Especially the finale?”
Answer: I liked it, but didn’t love it. I preferred Ghost in the Machine: Standalone Complex.


Erik Ray writes: “ I wish they would do just one last movie. Even if it’s with SG-1, SGA, and SGU combined. I just really want a good ending. I think we deserve that much, don’t you??”
Answer: Hey, if it was up to me, you’d get both SG-1 and SGA movies AND a third season of SGU.


Mackaysfanforver writes: “However, Transporter is saving the day, it means that (I hope) you’ll be doing the same type of blog entries that you use to do here with Stargate !!! Please say you will.”
Answer: Yep. The plan is to continue offering spoiler-free behind-the-scenes peeks at the production process. With your help, we’ll hopefully get a nice big online buzz going in the lead-up to the series premiere.


steph writes: “Does your offer to talk about “Stargate: Extinction” mean that that movie is also definitely not being made?”
Answer: Sadly, that’s what it means although, as I said earlier, it certainly would be great to see the studio release the script for fan perusal somewhere down the line.


Boetjeuh writes: “Have you heard anyting about Echoes? that new ex-stargate project ? i’ve been looking on the web but without result.”
Answer: That’s because this project (created by some Stargate vets including super Visual Effects



Supervisor Mark Savela) is in its infancy. Hopefully, you’ll hear a lot more about it in the coming months.
Boetjeuh also writes: “Do you have a suggestion for a good space based tv show?”
Answer: I suggest checking out the last three episodes of Stargate: Universe.


Tim Gaffney writes: “Quick question…how did the survivors of the “other” Destiny gate to any other planets? In Twin Destinies, Telford told everyone that they weren’t bringing anything but the “shirts on their backs” because of the force of a 9th Chevron arrival. So where did they get a remote? Eli did grab a kino off the console before he ran to the gate, did he have a remote with him as well?”
Answer: Yes, he certainly did otherwise there wouldn’t have been much point to bringing a kino. And he wasn’t the only one. In fact, there’s a line in the episode (or maybe the next one) in which Eli states he wasn’t the only one who snuck a kino.


Quade writes: “I got a stargate question for you, whatever happened to hermiod and Lindsey Novak?”
Answer: I believe Lindsey is presently working at Homeworld Command. As for Hermiod – some say he rejoined the Asgard before perishing with his race. Others – namely me – prefer to believe he’s living a rock star existence as a recluse in a ritzy California neighborhood, living off the lucrative advances on the romance novels he pens under the name Dolores Windgrove.


Greg writes: “What’d you think of HBO’s A Game of Thrones?”
Answer: Haven’t seen it yet. Soon. Soon.


oleslayer writes: “Will you publish what the endgame plan for SGU is?”
Answer: Since Brad and Robert were the ones who came up with the endgame, it’s only fair that I allow them to reveal it to you if and when they so desire.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/april-21-2011-closing-up-the-stargate-shop-mailbag/

be sure to check out the others too

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/april-24-2011-days-of-stargate-past-sg-1-season-four/
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/april-22-2011-days-of-stargate-past/
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Joe is making amends with Karma. I actually enjoyed tonight's Mailbag. Go Joe!

Joe Mallozzi's Mailbag tonight was a good read. I am finding forgiveness for him I dont have for Brad or Robert Cooper at the moment. This is the link:

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com...-sg-1-season-4-trip-down-memory-lane-wrap-up/

Im very impressed, in a very positive way! This paragraph jumped out at me :)

Apparently, Alexander has discovered the source of all my recent problems (the jet flight I was denied, the payment I’m yet to be reimbursed for, the recent damage to my car, my VISA being compromised – to name just a few). According to Alexander, it’s my attitude. I’m just getting back what I put out there. If I was as upbeat as him, my luck would certainly turn around. ”Toronto is a great city,”he insists – although, in my mind, this says less about Toronto and more about Paris, the last place he called home. He assures me that he used to be a very negative guy, but things changed for the best after he adopted a new, positive attitude. Instead of focusing on the negatives (My credit card information was stolen!), I should emphasizing on the positives (Think how much money I’ll save while I’m waiting for my replacement VISA to arrive!). Yep, it’s working already. And it’s all thanks to the perenially upbeat Alexander who I’ve decided to nickname Sunshine for the duration of the production run.

THAT is what Karma is all about! :beckettu: When you throw things out of balance by actively attacking your surroundings (which includes all people places and things) you can throw off the "balance". Its sorta what Feng Shui is about, but applied to the mind and your place in your surroundings (which includes people, pets, places, relationships, etc). If Joe can tap into that and make it work for him, he will be a POWERHOUSE. Im excited for him. Alexander has already found it, and Joe is curious. :) I live my life by that principle of positive energy. Joe is actually showing a bit of humility! Most impressive.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
Today’s entry is dedicated to blog regular Cherluvya!
I hit the mailbag during the flight.
Dustin Owens writes: “1. Many have asked if the scripts for the movies will ever see the light of day as books or just released online. Well does anyone know if MGM even knows the fans still want the scripts at least?”
Answer: I’m sure they do know but, alas, I don’t think it’s a priority for them right now.

“2. If they are taking down the sets, does that mean most of it all will be on that Propwerx auction? And I mean the Destiny sets and any other SG sets/props that have been in storage in case the movies were ever made?”
Answer: Probably yes. Sooner or later, those elements will find their way to auction as well.

“3, And last… who gets the full gates?”
Answer: My guess is whoever makes the best offer.

El Floruso writes: “With Carl, and Brad Wright, you could write some novels with the stories of Stargate Revolution, Stargate Exctinction and the conclusion of Universe.”
Answer: Someone could, but I fee I speak for both Carl and Brad when I say it wouldn’t be us.

Gen writes: “Which are your favorites from Season 4, Joe?”
Answer: Looking back, I’ve got to say I was very happy with the work we did in SG-1’s fourth season. I very much liked Point of No Return and Chain Reaction, but I think Window of Opportunity and The Curse stand out as my fourth year favorites.

William Gallagher writes: “Can you talk about the decisions made going in to the second season, please? […] Specifically, did you want to move the show more toward the feel of the previous series?”
Answer: No, there was never a conscious effort to shift the tone of SGU’s second season toward that of previous Stargate shows. I think it’s more, as you pointed out, a progression of the shipboard relationships and acceptance of their situation. The desperate search for such elementary requirements as food and water are met and the focus shifts from basic survival to exploration of Destiny and its original mission.

William Gallagher also writes: “What did you think in particular of the story that bridged the two seasons, please? I thought the last two in season one were nothing short of incredible: such a rich, exciting, challenging ride. But the conclusion didn’t work so well for me.”
Answer: I had a great time writing the first two parts of the three-part arc and, while I agree it was a fun ride, I have to point out that a ride has to end sometime – and often sooner is better than too much later. And even though we wrapped up the main story, there were plenty of loose ends (the Lucian Alliance prisoners, TJ’s baby, Chloe’s sudden regenerative abilities) that offered terrific story potential for future episodes.

William Gallagher also writes: “I was similarly brought out of the story by the reveal of the bridge: the first time we see it, it seemed to me to be played as if it were the first time Rush found it. Now, that can’t be so: he went straight there, he knew exactly how to get in. And I liked him not telling anyone else, yet something in the scene just played wrong to me. Off-kilter, somehow. Am I alone in that?”
Answer: Rush clearly knew there was something important behind that door (may have even known it held the bridge) but hadn’t been able to access it until the tease of that episode.

Max writes: “Was there any serious consideration by the producers or writers of doing a mini-arc of the wraith taking on the ori?”
Answer: Alas, no. While it certainly would have offered interesting story fodder, there was never any consideration given to going down that road.

Max also writes: “In the Ark of Truth, was the victor of the battle in the end (when both because pure energy) between Morgan and Adria decided?”
Answer: Nope. Like Anubis and Oma Dessala, they are locked in endless mortal combat.

Shiny writes: “Are you hosting your chocolate party this year? Sounds like a great way to keep those reunions going.”
Answer: Sadly, no. Last year’s chocolate blowout was my last – for the foreseeable future.

Gilder writes: “Joe, finally to Vegas next week. Any non-gourmet recommendations?”
Answer: Get the corn tamales at the Cheesecake Factory in the Caesar’s Mall.
Dallas Marshall writes: “How many scripts for SGU season 3 were written before everyone left for end-of-season hiatus (never to return)?”
Answer: 0.

Dioxholster writes: “one thing though, how did you meet Paul? Was he with you in college or something?”
Answer: We actually met in a college creative writing class.

Lewis writes: “If season 3 had come to fruition were there any particular characters from the other
Stargate shows that had been discussed for a guest spot… or even repeat guests like O’Neill or McKay?”
Answer: We hadn’t gotten as far as to discuss potential guest stars.

Alabaster Runner writes: “Did you ever “aquire” any props or souvenirs from the show?”
Answer: Yes. A goa’uld pain stick from SG-1’s Serpent’s Venom, some carnivorous prop bugs from SG-1’s The Scourge, some oozy past-one pustules from SG-1’s Lockdown, and an alien petri sample of Gadmeer DNA from our very first episode, Scorched Earth.

MNP writes: “Why did you quit with Vanessa Angel? I’ve heard she didn’t get along with you guys that well but I have no idea if that’s true.”
Answer: Untrue. She was terrific, both in front of the camera and off. I remember watching her audition and coming away very impressed. While most of the other actresses simply said the words, it was clear that Vanessa had actually LEARNED the dialogue. There’s a big difference. In the end, the decision not to revisit the character had nothing to do with the actress and everything to do with our inability to find a proper, satisfactory storyline for her.

Oneil7 writes: “Where can we see the concept art of the exterior appearance of Destiny Ship ?”
Answer: They’re probably archived somewhere in the Art Department offices. Don’t know what will become of them now sadly.

Lloyd67 writes: “I know you do not know the plans for MGM Stargate franchise. But you, do you think Stargate is frozen for the time like other projects at MGM?”
Answer: No doubt. Stargate is too valuable a property to lie fallow for long.

J514 writes: “what would of happened in part 3 of the aschen trilogy if it had ever been made?”
Answer: The third installment of the trilogy would have seen the surviving Aschen mount a ship-based attack on Earth.

Tim Gaffney writes: “Since we know that T.J. will get sick in this timeline as well, does that mean that Volker will as well?”
Answer: The planet-bound Volker died of renal failure. The Volker we followed aboard Destiny had a successful lifesaving surgical transplant in Hope.

mix-martes1986 writes: “Hey Joe, is Alexander aware that in that picture he was wearing a WW2 German dogtag (at least, that’s the shape they had)? New sort of fashionable items?”
Answer: Actually, it’s a German dogtag, circa 1987, from Alex’s 15-month military service and has nothing to do with WW2.

StellaByStargate writes: “A question for later, relative to the ship. You noted that in your opinion it ended in a way that was unsatisfactory to everyone. (Agreed) Could you share a bit about why? […] I’m curious where the resistance came from, once the whole matter of the regs were out of the way? Was it MGM? SyFy? The lady on the park bench outside of Bridge?”
Answer: It was an internal creative decision. I think Brad and Rob simply felt that if we did resolve the ship, where would we go from there? Hard to disagree while O’Neill was a regular, but I thought it was a shame that we never offered closure even after the show had ended.

Dodoalda writes: “Of course, I understand that Mr. Goldsmith is working hard (and results of his work are outstanding), but as a fan, I would just like to know if the soundtrack is ever going to happen.”
Answer: Unfortunately, I’m out of the loop on marketing decisions but, given the present situation, I doubt we’ll see anything in the way of new Stargate-related merchandises hitting store shelves any time in the near future.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/april-29-2011-a-brief-trip-to-l-a/
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
This part needs to be repeated AND remembered!

William Gallagher writes: “Can you talk about the decisions made going in to the second season, please? […] Specifically, did you want to move the show more toward the feel of the previous series?

Answer: No, there was never a conscious effort to shift the tone of SGU’s second season toward that of previous Stargate shows. I think it’s more, as you pointed out, a progression of the shipboard relationships and acceptance of their situation. The desperate search for such elementary requirements as food and water are met and the focus shifts from basic survival to exploration of Destiny and its original mission.

Proof that TPTB had absolutely NO intention to make any substantial changes to save the obviously dying show. Nothing but blind, arrogant, willfully stupid game plan in action here. God forbid they actually fall back on a formula that has been proven -- twice -- to work. :roll:

What a bunch of morons.
 

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
Proof that TPTB had absolutely NO intention to make any substantial changes to save the obviously dying show. Nothing but blind, arrogant, willfully stupid game plan in action here. God forbid they actually fall back on a formula that has been proven -- twice -- to work. :roll:

What a bunch of morons.

If they'd tried to turn it into SG1/Atlantis the show would have been worse off. What they needed to do was work on ways to make the sci-fi drama work for more people. I actually thought they played to close to the rules of the previous shows - with a drama even the small things should make a big difference. When someone gets shot in the foot or when someone betrays another, the audience shouldn't feel everything will be fine by the end of an episode or two - those things should change the story permanently. That's how drama works after all, even the smallest conversations should end up being compelling because they matter in the long term.

With Universe they clearly started off thinking that the freedom to write without interference would lead to some epic storytelling. Unfortunately this lack of outside input led the show to become too drawn out, lacking in focus and just not as appealing as it must have seemed on paper. Examples of this include the overly long 3 part pilot followed by a 2 part episode - it was all just a little self-involved. Being able to expand on every single idea the producers had left the show bulging when it should have been concise.

My biggest complaints - Too little focus when it came to the big picture and no moments that actually surprised the viewer. It left me enjoying the episodes but rarely on the edge of my seat to see what happened next. A damning assessment from my tired self perhaps but I'm sure there's some truth in there somewhere.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
If they'd tried to turn it into SG1/Atlantis the show would have been worse off. What they needed to do was work on ways to make the sci-fi drama work for more people. I actually thought they played to close to the rules of the previous shows - with a drama even the small things should make a big difference. When someone gets shot in the foot or when someone betrays another, the audience shouldn't feel everything will be fine by the end of an episode or two - those things should change the story permanently. That's how drama works after all, even the smallest conversations should end up being compelling because they matter in the long term.

With Universe they clearly started off thinking that the freedom to write without interference would lead to some epic storytelling. Unfortunately this lack of outside input led the show to become too drawn out, lacking in focus and just not as appealing as it must have seemed on paper. Examples of this include the overly long 3 part pilot followed by a 2 part episode - it was all just a little self-involved. Being able to expand on every single idea the producers had left the show bulging when it should have been concise.

My biggest complaints - Too little focus when it came to the big picture and no moments that actually surprised the viewer. It left me enjoying the episodes but rarely on the edge of my seat to see what happened next. A damning assessment from my tired self perhaps but I'm sure there's some truth in there somewhere.

The dvd sales say otherwise for SG-1/SGA. Fans never wanted a completely revamped show.
 
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Graybrew1

Guest
Excuse me sir, as a fan of sgu I can say, I just wanted a good show. I was not worried about format. Tbh, that is how most people think. I liked the show, but was let down. Now, I just want any form of sg back. I also think that is how most sg fans feel, am I right?
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
If they'd tried to turn it into SG1/Atlantis the show would have been worse off.

How would it have been worse off? You give no explanation of this statement. Besides, you're wrong, had they returned to the template that made SG-1 and SGA successful all indications are that SGU would have been successful. It was the eschewing of this template that was the death knell for SGU -- one that was rung before the show even began. In short, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

What they needed to do was work on ways to make the sci-fi drama work for more people.

"Sci-fi drama" worked for as many people as it was going to work for, hence the failure in the ratings. What do you propose they should have done to make the "sci-fi drama" work differently than it was being worked? Or were you thinking they should have cannibalized SG-1/SGA for action elements and square-jawed hero characters to enhance the show? If so, that would have been returning to the template that you've already rejected. You can't have your cake and eat it too Yoshi. ;)

I actually thought they played to close to the rules of the previous shows - with a drama even the small things should make a big difference. When someone gets shot in the foot or when someone betrays another, the audience shouldn't feel everything will be fine by the end of an episode or two - those things should change the story permanently. That's how drama works after all, even the smallest conversations should end up being compelling because they matter in the long term.

On SGU they've had characters recover from fatal wounds in record time. Yes, they let them wear "bruises" on their faces for an extra episode or two but the time frame for healing was as ridiculously fast paced as it was in SG-1 or SGA. And things weren't always A-OK at the end of every SG-1 or SGA episode; there were seasonal story arcs involving bad guys and events that would change the story permanently.

With Universe they clearly started off thinking that the freedom to write without interference would lead to some epic storytelling. Unfortunately this lack of outside input led the show to become too drawn out, lacking in focus and just not as appealing as it must have seemed on paper. Examples of this include the overly long 3 part pilot followed by a 2 part episode - it was all just a little self-involved. Being able to expand on every single idea the producers had left the show bulging when it should have been concise.

Yes, they should have left the show concise just like SG-1 and SGA, the template of which you have already rejected. What you're describing here -- exactly -- is SG-1/SGA. It's a bit shocking that you don't realize that; that you think you're describing a story telling method that is somehow different than the very shows you outright reject. That is illogical and doesn't make sense. You can't reject SG-1 and SGA then use the traits that made them successful while claiming that your method is somehow different.

My biggest complaints - Too little focus when it came to the big picture and no moments that actually surprised the viewer. It left me enjoying the episodes but rarely on the edge of my seat to see what happened next. A damning assessment from my tired self perhaps but I'm sure there's some truth in there somewhere.

Not as damning as you believe dearest Yoshi. The lack of surprising moments isn't what killed SGU, it's the wholesale rejection of using the template for SG-1 and SGA that did SGU in. But you admit to being tired so I'll let it go at that friend. :)
 
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Graybrew1

Guest
yes my dear...my AWWWWSUM mind powers don't even work...maybe he's got a tinfoil hat? ;)
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Besides I'm all love and sweetness after watching the royal wedding!
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But, you are the true queen.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
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If they'd tried to turn it into SG1/Atlantis the show would have been worse off. What they needed to do was work on ways to make the sci-fi drama work for more people. I actually thought they played to close to the rules of the previous shows - with a drama even the small things should make a big difference. When someone gets shot in the foot or when someone betrays another, the audience shouldn't feel everything will be fine by the end of an episode or two - those things should change the story permanently. That's how drama works after all, even the smallest conversations should end up being compelling because they matter in the long term.

This. I agree that continuity and faithfulness to canon are not amongst SGU's strong points. But then again, to have a character hurt for dramatic effect and then to draw that out for several episodes makes little sense in terms of entertainment IMO. I like it when say, somebody is injured and then the next episode they still have a scar or a band aid on. Instead, they look like they got a spa treatment and fresh manicures and haircuts. Chloe was made up every episode and her clothes "grew" in a magic closet on the ship. As far as making the show more like SG-1 or SGA, that would have helped the show a lot from my perspective. Even if just a small portion of the original Stargate fanbase had found SGU appealing on some level, it would have at least made the 1.6 - 1.8 million threshold to stay on the air for a season 3. They could have even gone as far as to add in somebody from one of the previous shows as a recurring character. SGU was not good enough to stand on its own. Even having Stargate in its name wasnt enough.

With Universe they clearly started off thinking that the freedom to write without interference would lead to some epic storytelling. Unfortunately this lack of outside input led the show to become too drawn out, lacking in focus and just not as appealing as it must have seemed on paper. Examples of this include the overly long 3 part pilot followed by a 2 part episode - it was all just a little self-involved. Being able to expand on every single idea the producers had left the show bulging when it should have been concise.

I agree with the bolded. The whole show would have been different if only they had also listened to some outside ideas, even if only from the fans and not from the studios.I remember Mallozzi saying that the writers might listen to ideas, and not "take dictation". Dictation sounded like the better and safer choice, in hindsight. :)

My biggest complaints - Too little focus when it came to the big picture and no moments that actually surprised the viewer. It left me enjoying the episodes but rarely on the edge of my seat to see what happened next. A damning assessment from my tired self perhaps but I'm sure there's some truth in there somewhere.

I feel there was no bigger picture. The premise was that these were the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time, and their story was how they were dealing with that. SGU was supposed to be about the characters on board the ship. There was no mission, no plan to explain the magical Ancient technology in SGU (btw, the Ancients of SGU are magical Ancients, not like the normal Ancients we had in SG-1 and SGA who were humanoids who ascended but took a non-interference stance with us Terrans). There was no science at all...just scientific references tossed about with regard to things on Destiny.

The writers attempted to add a mission into the show after the fact. They tried to start using the word "team". They tried to make Chloe less useless and they tried to add dry humor. They did all that because they wanted the show to appeal to the original fans, not because they were making creative changes in the show.
 
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