Mallozzi's Mailbag & More II

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
I want them to fess up about the lies we were told.

Sounds like he's getting ready to do some revisionist explanations of the whole SGU debacle.

I'm sorry but no matter how you slice it the demise of the Stargate television concept lies at the feet of BW, RC and JM. It's pathetic that JM whines about how the evil TV execs don't care about the past they only want to know what BW/JM have done "lately" to -- I dunno -- generate profits! Yeah, like that isn't the motivating factor of every single person who does business with other people.

BW's comments today were ridiculous and I fully expect JM's to be just as delusional and revisionist when he answers all those questions that we've just been burning to ask. Count on it.

The questions I would want answered are:


  1. "Why did you and Brad say that Stargate Universe was not guaranteed two seasons from the beginning like Craig Engler from the Syfy Network says it was?" He even said it was "rare for a show to get this" to drive it home how exceptional that was.
  2. A.) When the Atlantis sets were demolished in 2008-2009, killing any chance of an Atlantis direct to DVD movie, why did you constantly tease fans by suggesting that there was a Stargate Atlantis movie in the works when in fact no such movie had ever been greenlighted or progressed beyond a first draft script? B.) Knowing this, why did you state to several websites that "The Stargate Atlantis movie has been shelved indefinitely because of the failure of Stargate Universe" when in fact the movie was never in production and was never in pre-production and the actors were never approached?
  3. "Why did you lie about the incident at the Dragon Con where you claimed that Alaina Huffman was heckled by "angry Atlantis fans"?
He wont field answers to THOSE questions, you can bet on that!
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
The questions I would want answered are:



  1. "Why did you and Brad say that Stargate Universe was not guaranteed two seasons from the beginning like Craig Engler from the Syfy Network says it was?" He even said it was "rare for a show to get this" to drive it home how exceptional that was.
  2. A.) When the Atlantis sets were demolished in 2008-2009, killing any chance of an Atlantis direct to DVD movie, why did you constantly tease fans by suggesting that there was a Stargate Atlantis movie in the works when in fact no such movie had ever been greenlighted or progressed beyond a first draft script? B.) Knowing this, why did you state to several websites that "The Stargate Atlantis movie has been shelved indefinitely because of the failure of Stargate Universe" when in fact the movie was never in production and was never in pre-production and the actors were never approached?
  3. "Why did you lie about the incident at the Dragon Con where you claimed that Alaina Huffman was heckled by "angry Atlantis fans"?

He wont field answers to THOSE questions, you can bet on that!

With your permission...can I ask that on his blog?Unless you have or are going ask...
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
With your permission...can I ask that on his blog?Unless you have or are going ask...

Please do ask! I dont go to his blog anymore, but I get emailed his new entries as he makes them. :)
 

Mr. A

Super Moderator +
Instant translation by Mr. A:

That was the title of the email I received from Brad Wright late yesterday, an email confirming the worst. Despite his best efforts and a situation so fluid it vacillated from “almost yes” to “probably not” and back to “almost yes” on any given week, final word had come down. = Brad told me we could stop the BS and tell people the truth about the fate of SGU because the cat was out of the bag.

There would be no SGU movie. Stargate, that had spanned fourteen years, 354 episodes, two DVD movies – that had helped build a network and establish itself as a studio’s most successful television franchise was coming to an end. = our 'baby' was being taken away from us after we ran it for so long

It was a terrific ride and, while it would have been great to give the fans that final chapter, that last crossover movie in which Brad had envisioned incorporating elements from all three shows (SG-1, SGA, and SGU), the truth is television is a fickle business. When it comes down to decision time, it’s less”What have you accomplished?” and more “What have you done for me lately?”. = Ignore the fact that we screwed up an ran a franchise into the ground and look at all the great things we did before that. (like the former NBA star who's being ditched after two seasons without scoring any significant points for his team, pleading for people to look only at his past glory and keep him on the team based on that)

Sad but true and still, I look back on my 11+ years on the franchise as some of the best years of my life in that I had the opportunity to work with some wonderful people, writing for shows I truly loved. It wasn’t always easy, wasn’t always fun, but they were happy times and I can’t say enough good things about the people who made it happen – from Exec. Producers and Series Co-Creators Brad Wright and Robert Cooper who gave us the opportunity to all the cast, crew, and production personnel who made it happen. I look forward to working with them again eventually. = It's all about me and the people I brown nose.
Especially if this comic book project goes as planned. = I hope once I have some stable employment for myself I can chose the people I get to work for on top of that.

And so, SGU episode #220, “Guantlet”, will mark the end of this chapter of the franchise and, while it’s an awesome episode, it’s a heartbreaker all things considered. Before sitting down to watch it, I’d recommend watching the pilot first – if not the three parter then, at the very least, that first episode. It won’t offer closure but does deliver a bookend of sorts. = since the last episode isn't all that good, maybe if you put it in some obfuscating emotional context and get all sentimental about the show ending you'll overlook that fact
Given the circumstances and all things considered, probably the most touching episodes the franchise has ever produced. = watch MY episodes because that makes me feel important

Once that final episode airs, I’ll take to this blog to answer any and all questions you may have and dedicate at least one entry to discussing aspects of the franchise I’m sure you’re all curious about. = keep giving my blog some traffic and I'll milk the franchise until its last drop
”Given the show’s ratings, why didn’t you wrap up the series in the event you WERE cancelled?”, “What stories did you have planned for the show’s third season?”, and “Tell us all about Stargate: Extinction”. Okay. Will field these queries and many more once “Gauntlet” airs. = if you continue to visit MY blog and keep it relevant, I'll spoon feed you all of the information you always wanted to know and until now I had no real motivation to give out
Glad to be of service ;)
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Heisenberg, since Joe Mallozzi reads this forum, you should 'reword' your questions in a less obvious manner...

You know, if his Transporter series does well, I will speak well of it here in these forums. The premise sounds good, and Mallozzi has written some good Stargate in the past so it might just take off. :)
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
Heisenberg, since Joe Mallozzi reads this forum, you should 'reword' your questions in a less obvious manner...
Too late. Also, do we really have any proof that he does read this forum specifically?

You know, if his Transporter series does well, I will speak well of it here in these forums. The premise sounds good, and Mallozzi has written some good Stargate in the past so it might just take off. :)


You aren't the only one interested in seeing transporter the series.Which is why I am posting stuff on Transporter the series. I just hope the cast are good. We all know, Joseph Mallozzi isn't very good with stories that have a serious tone.Let's hope Transporter the series has that comical humour Joseph Mallozzi is so renowned for.
 

Mr. A

Super Moderator +
We know for sure he read the old forum. No concrete proof here, just an assumption. And some indirect evidence... ;)
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
They all did including the actors. If they didn't I don't know what other site they were referencing?

I believe you're correct. What I don't understand is how there could be that many people on the cast and production staff who tuned into the negative fan reaction (here and elsewhere) yet remained so steadfastly oblivious to the fact that SGU was careening towards failure.

Obviously cast members weren't about to bite the hand that feeds them but you'd think that at least one of them would have been smart enough to say 'Hey, this ship is sinking!'. None of us can know if anything was said behind the scenes, but the impression is that everyone involved with the show agreed to, publicly, be good little soldiers towing the party line. It's really sad what collective denial can accomplish and SGU is one giant example of that in action.
 

stclare

Moderator & Mckay Super Fan
I believe you're correct. What I don't understand is how there could be that many people on the cast and production staff who tuned into the negative fan reaction (here and elsewhere) yet remained so steadfastly oblivious to the fact that SGU was careening towards failure.

Obviously cast members weren't about to bite the hand that feeds them but you'd think that at least one of them would have been smart enough to say 'Hey, this ship is sinking!'. None of us can know if anything was said behind the scenes, but the impression is that everyone involved with the show agreed to, publicly, be good little soldiers towing the party line. It's really sad what collective denial can accomplish and SGU is one giant example of that in action.

I get there reaction to the negativity directed at the show, but my problem is the way they handled themselves.

Imo they would have been far better off trying to win the fans who were unhappy over. I have watched movies and eps of tv shows that i wouldnt have watched normaly, because x actor from stargate is in it. thats mainly because those actors have been realy engaging me as a fan and making me feel wanted. It sounds silly but how an actor comes accross in interviews etc realy does make a difference in whether im prepared to follow there career.
 

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
I get there reaction to the negativity directed at the show, but my problem is the way they handled themselves.

Imo they would have been far better off trying to win the fans who were unhappy over. I have watched movies and eps of tv shows that i wouldnt have watched normaly, because x actor from stargate is in it. thats mainly because those actors have been realy engaging me as a fan and making me feel wanted. It sounds silly but how an actor comes accross in interviews etc realy does make a difference in whether im prepared to follow there career.

Well that didn't really work with SGU. Hewlett is a always nice in interviews and yet he was branded a sellout for encouraging people to check out Universe.

The fact is that fans annoyed about Atlantis were never appeased. I understand the producers getting annoyed because some of the reaction appeared extreme and unfair - however they should have tried to sympathize with their position. PR could have changed the situation from "I hate SGU and it took the spot of Atlantis" to "Universe isn't my favourite, I enjoy SG1/Atlantis the most".

There were so many unfortunate circumstances in this whole affair though. With SGU being the only thing on the air it was bound to take the flack.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Thats not why he got branded a sellout.

Well that didn't really work with SGU. Hewlett is a always nice in interviews and yet he was branded a sellout for encouraging people to check out Universe.

The fact is that fans annoyed about Atlantis were never appeased. I understand the producers getting annoyed because some of the reaction appeared extreme and unfair - however they should have tried to sympathize with their position. PR could have changed the situation from "I hate SGU and it took the spot of Atlantis" to "Universe isn't my favourite, I enjoy SG1/Atlantis the most".

There were so many unfortunate circumstances in this whole affair though. With SGU being the only thing on the air it was bound to take the flack.

Thats not the reason. Hewlett got branded a sellout because he said that Stargate Universe was "done very well", written and acted well and produced well. NONE of that is true, and the only kudos for acting go to Robert Carlyle, Ming Na, Louis Ferreria and LDP. It was NOT written well, it was NOT produced well, and overall it wasnt done well at all. If it was, it would not have failed so miserably.

Funny, nobody claimed Caprica was done well and was killed by "haters". It tanked in the ratings, and when it was cancelled people saw it coming. None of the actors came back later and claimed that it was done so well and that haters killed it. It just "went away".

For SGU, it failed for these reasons:


  1. Low ratings (caused by lack of interest by general audiences and fans of the first two shows)
  2. Change of format (actually a change in genre from scifi action/adventure to space-based soap/drama)
  3. Unlikeable characters.
If it had been good on any level, an audience would have found it and watched. The fact is that most Stargate fans DID try out the show and did not like it. I myself have seen every single episode and I still did not like the show overall, even if I liked 3 episodes.
 

Mr. A

Super Moderator +
Thats not the reason. Hewlett got branded a sellout because he said that Stargate Universe was "done very well", written and acted well and produced well. NONE of that is true, and the only kudos for acting go to Robert Carlyle, Ming Na, Louis Ferreria and LDP. It was NOT written well, it was NOT produced well, and overall it wasnt done well at all. If it was, it would not have failed so miserably.

Funny, nobody claimed Caprica was done well and was killed by "haters". It tanked in the ratings, and when it was cancelled people saw it coming. None of the actors came back later and claimed that it was done so well and that haters killed it. It just "went away".
Excellent point! :beckettu:
 

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
Thats not the reason. Hewlett got branded a sellout because he said that Stargate Universe was "done very well", written and acted well and produced well.

So what he's not allowed to think the show is done well? If his opinion is that the show is good he should be allowed to say it.

As for Caprica, everyone knew it was a good quality show. It got critical acclaim and when Syfy cancelled it they made a point of saying it was "despite its obvious quality".
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
So what he's not allowed to think the show is done well? If his opinion is that the show is good he should be allowed to say it.

As for Caprica, everyone knew it was a good quality show. It got critical acclaim and when Syfy cancelled it they made a point of saying it was "despite its obvious quality".

I don't have a huge problem with David Hewlett even though we differ in our opinion on the writing and production aspects of SGU. Maybe he just said what he did to stroke the egos of his bosses. Maybe he actually believes what he said. Don't know, don't care. His stated opinion about SGU is moot in the scheme of things. He's a good actor and he plays a favorite character and he seems genuine about his love of the craft of acting. I'm cool with that. He certainly hasn't bashed Stargate fans the way David Blue and others have.

As for Caprica, yes it had some quality but it also had some absolute dreck! The weird, over the top, pseudo-lesbian, cigarette smoking scenes were painful to watch. Graystone's wife was continually placed in forced drama-laden scene after scene, usually with a cigarette smoking away. It got tiresome quick and certainly wasn't "quality" writing at that point.

Plus it could be argued that the "lost teenage daddy's girl" theme wasn't "quality". It ended up having more the feel of "Gossip Girl" than it did a sci-fi drama. Again, I don't think I'd label this as "quality" so much as derivative styling.
 

YoshiKart64

Well Known GateFan
I don't have a huge problem with David Hewlett even though we differ in our opinion on the writing and production aspects of SGU. Maybe he just said what he did to stroke the egos of his bosses. Maybe he actually believes what he said. Don't know, don't care. His stated opinion about SGU is moot in the scheme of things. He's a good actor and he plays a favorite character and he seems genuine about his love of the craft of acting. I'm cool with that. He certainly hasn't bashed Stargate fans the way David Blue and others have.

As for Caprica, yes it had some quality but it also had some absolute dreck! The weird, over the top, pseudo-lesbian, cigarette smoking scenes were painful to watch. Graystone's wife was continually placed in forced drama-laden scene after scene, usually with a cigarette smoking away. It got tiresome quick and certainly wasn't "quality" writing at that point.

Plus it could be argued that the "lost teenage daddy's girl" theme wasn't "quality". It ended up having more the feel of "Gossip Girl" than it did a sci-fi drama. Again, I don't think I'd label this as "quality" so much as derivative styling.

What you say is totally fine, there's always going to be differing opinions on things. My issue was Hewlett being branded a sellout for saying SGU is well done - as you point out he's a great actor, a good guy and he cares about the fans. He's entitled to an opinion.
 

stclare

Moderator & Mckay Super Fan
What you say is totally fine, there's always going to be differing opinions on things. My issue was Hewlett being branded a sellout for saying SGU is well done - as you point out he's a great actor, a good guy and he cares about the fans. He's entitled to an opinion.

That was only said by a couple of people, im sure David is not bothered by it. after all The God known as The Flan also took the mickey out of him for being on sgu!
 
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