Star Trek: Picard

[Overmind One]

you keep doing this

you claim that Trek is based on the scientifically possible, but when you are asked to explain how something like inertia dampeners or transporters are scientifically possibly, then you say something like, "there not, its just a plot device/ its fiction/ etc,etc, what seems to suit you that day" in response

so, if red matter is impossible do you mean it is impossible per current scientific knowledge/theory or in Trek-verse knowledge/ theory?


or, are you just saying that it is impossible because it fits the narrative of JJ trek sucking? --WHICH IT DOES IMO

It is impossible because of the laws of the physical universe. If you don't know much about physics or theoretical science, then you won't know what lies in the realm of possiblity (and hence science-fiction) and what does not. I don't know how familiar you are with physics or theoretical science in regards to electromagnetic fields, subatomic particles, etc.

but then we have the owners of Trek saying that Romulus being destroyed and prime Spock going through that wormhole as canon--- either here in Picard and in some comics or a book. so TPTBs have chose to at least in part, take in JJ trek as canon--at least those parts which occurred in the Prime verse like Romulus being destroyed and Spock
disappearing SOLELY BY including those two events into PICARD

The owners are not creators. They do not become creators by buying something created by somebody else. Art is never the result of a committee, only a single artist. Committees only produce products. Owners create nothing and do not have the right to deface art created by somebody else. If you buy the Mona Lisa then if you want, you can paint a moustache on her. Does that make it okay? Yes, because you bought the painting, but no because what you have now is a vandalized piece of art that you had no hand in creating.

SO, does that make PICARD not canon for being based on a bit of JJ verse stuff or does it make only a small part of JJ verse selectively canon?

without having seen PICARD other then the first ep, I am inclined to accept the second option. that we cant throw out all of PICARD as not counting because a portion of its premise is based on a small part of the JJ crap. when in fact, it seems as if so much of PICARD is based on TNG/VOYAGER etc.

You must not be watching all the episodes then! Kurtzman hired these actors to play people in Picard who have the names of the characters they portrayed, but the characters you see in the show act nothing like their TNG/Voyager characters. I am watching every episode at least twice.

 

[Overmind One]

Stargate Universe is positively Shakespearean compared to Sexually Transmitted Disease and Star Toilet Paper.

HAIL Jim of WVa! You win the internet tonight for that. I agree, even SGU was better written than either STD or Picard. It's absolutely horrible as Star Trek. Picard is better than Discovery, but that is just saying that one turd smells less stinky than the other. Both need to be flushed.

Bring Ronald Moore and Rick Berman back and do actual Star Trek on the original license. Until all of Kurtzman's NuTrek is out of production, we can't do that yet. That is why supporters of NuTrek are my enemies in Star Trek fandom.

 

[Overmind One]

Season 4 of The Expanse is only marginally more woke than Seasons 1-3. The major difference is that The Expanse is good. Quality covers a multitude of woke.

Agreed. My issue with Season 4 of The Expanse is the deviation from the books. Not yet a dealbreaker, but I am not that keen on the changes.

 

[Overmind One]

And after this last episode of Picard I am out. It was awful. And it was insulting to characters and to Trek. What they did to Icheb and to the character of Seven of Nine (one of my favorite characters) was pure garbage. This is Trek made by people who hate Trek.

EXACTLY. Only I will keep watching because I will need to use the material for my project.

 

[Overmind One]

expanse s4 is very woke in comparison to seasons 1-3, so where is the fandom menace on it?

Nobody is covering it much in The Fandom Menace. They also are only lightly covering Star Trek. Mostly, The Fandom Menace is focused on Disney, the MCU and DCEU and Star Wars.

 

[Joelist]

And also Doctor Who.

I have asked before about getting some things they LIKE covered to provide some balance. Alas no response yet.

As to Picard - I was trying to give it some benefit of doubt, but after the Hellraiser-esque dismemberment of Icheb and turning Seven into a vengeful lesbian I am out (and what happened to Chakotay who she was involved with at the end of VOY?).

 

[Overmind One]

And also Doctor Who.

I have asked before about getting some things they LIKE covered to provide some balance. Alas no response yet.

As to Picard - I was trying to give it some benefit of doubt, but after the Hellraiser-esque dismemberment of Icheb and turning Seven into a vengeful lesbian I am out (and what happened to Chakotay who she was involved with at the end of VOY?).

What's going on right now is that the only people posting positive stuff about Star Trek and Doctor Who are the NuShills who are trying to get people to watch the woke versions of the shows. The majority of the fandom hates Doctor Who Seasons 11 on, and the majority of the Star Trek fandom hates Discovery and Picard and the Abrams/Kelvin movies (all three of them). They don't want to hear anything saying those shows are good. They want to hear their views validated by other fans and they want to be able to see non-media sources telling the truth about things, not spinning fake news about the success of these failing shows. They don't care about "balance" because the other side of the balance is in direct conflict with the fandom. Let the NuTrek and NuWho fans make their own shit, or just listen to the shill media telling them that their shows are runaway hits.

 

[Overmind One]

Well it seems STP is set in the original timeline and it hasn't ignored Trek 09s Romulus destruction so even if you were right about Trek 09 ( which your not ) its canon now. That must really stick in your craw so. Of course you don't think Picard is set in the original timeline so I guess it doesn't matter.

Personally I would prefer if they restored the canon back to before 09 because I don't have a great appreciation for shallow and crap writing but I ain't going to will it to happen from my perspective through sheer force of denial because I'm a realist. I will simply wait until ( and if ) it costs them money and heads will roll.

You can claim what you want. Star Trek 2009 and everything after is not Star Trek (on the original license) because it literally and legally CAN'T be. It is on a separate license and is telling a story and showing a timeline that is REQUIRED to be different from Star Trek. You have fallen for the tricks Abrams and Kurtzman have tried to use to obfuscate the fact that their "star trek" is not the same product so that they can draw in the gullible factions of the Star Trek fandom. Fortunately, that is a small group. Picard is failing. STD is canceled after Season 3. There will be no Section 31 show or a Pike show, and Lower Decks will air one season on Nickelodeon.

 

[Joelist]

Hi OM!

My reference to balance was not saying they should pretend to like things they don’t. It was saying to also cover stuff they like (like The Witcher). That was you see what they like as well as what they don’t.

 

[Overmind One]

I'm not claiming anything Overmind One. Nor have I fallen for anything nor am I gullible. I'm simply saying the writers of NuTrek intended such things to be a part of the original timeline.
I didn't say it was good nor interesting. I didn't say it was true to Trek. I simply said what the creators of NuTrek have intended. The fact that the original license was not used is irrelevant to what the creators intended.

The TNG era looks vastly different from TOS but they still follow the same timeline. NuTrek looks ( and feels unfortunately ) vastly different from older Trek but the intention is still there.

If you want proof that STD is supposed to be set in the original timeline look no further than the STD If Memory Serves episode recap that shows footage from TOS The Cage. The STD episode was meant to be a direct continuation of the TOS episode therefore it is set in the original timeline

I wasn't calling YOU gullible, I was saying that the writers of NuTrek are manipulating the gullible faction of the fanbase to gather as many original Star Trek viewers who are not hardcore fans as possible. It isn't just the look of these shows, it's the writing and the ignoring of canon and tone. I am very familiar with what the writers "intended". They were and are saddled with an alternate license and restrictions on what they can use from actual Star Trek. They have to pay for anything they use, like the scene in Spisode 6 where you see an image of Locutus in an LCARS display which is displayed on the NuTrek holographic display in the Chateau recreation. That cost the Picard production a licensing fee. They intend to create a connection to TNG which simply does not exist.

 

[Tripler]

Season 4 of The Expanse is only marginally more woke than Seasons 1-3. The major difference is that The Expanse is good. Quality covers a multitude of woke.

I found it incredibly boring and insulting to the books on more than one level so I will stand behind the fact that Season 4 was complete garbage compared to 1 , 2 and 3 . I say this because I always want to watch 1 , 2 and 3 over and over but 4 makes me want to avoid it . To see Bobby made into a criminal was so stupidly annoying and 100% out of character for her and not even in the books . They made Alex a glorified tow truck driver and nothing more happened with his character yet he was an integral part of the story in previous seasons . What the hell did they do to Naomi ? OMG she looked horrible this time around and was also not being her smart ass self because that torch was passed onto other new characters that fans have no vested interest in . Asyrela was a complete joke this time around and what was with the hubby hanging around her ? That also made no sense ! What a horrible actor also . In 1 ,2 and 3 he was always on the outside of her political dealings yet this season he was tossed into the ring with her and he accomplished zero in helping the story or her character.
The over head tiny shots of the crew walking to or leaving the Rocci was just dum as hell and a cheap filler .
WTH HAPPENED TO FRED JOHNSON ? Did you see his outfit ? WTH was that ? And his hair ? He looked like a has been punk rocker !.
Amos ,,, good christ . Guess they were going for shock more than story .
Mertry . Well they did a good job of making him an asshole and he has to pay the price , but the girl on Mars, who is a criminal , not in security or law enforcement like Mertry was , gets off scott free after she kills someone . Hmmm rather suspicious don't you think ?
Funny how they made a steal cable a mile long in space and at the hands of a teenage girl( whom has zero engineering or technical skills because she has not gone to University yet ) is running the show . Yah ,,,wow . I am still scratching my head on that one . You go girl !
Just yuck ,,,,,,,,, hugely disappointing. Now blocking SO4 out of memory . If I keep commenting I am only going to get more pissed off .
Boo season 4 of the expanse .




OOOPS wrong thread

 

[Lord Ba'al]

What is the point of the picture?

 

[Overmind One]

What is the point of the picture?

It's a Honda with a fake Mercedes badge on it, just like Picard is a generic soap opera with a fake Star Trek badge on it.

 

[YJ02]

And after this last episode of Picard I am out. It was awful. And it was insulting to characters and to Trek. What they did to Icheb and to the character of Seven of Nine (one of my favorite characters) was pure garbage. This is Trek made by people who hate Trek.

so i splurged and paid for access via Prime

i am up to this episode you speak of.. and yeah does seem like the whole story arc of Icheb from Voyager was just all laid waste

and why would starfleet ever put a person as unique as Icheb---from the delta quad, former borg, very talented-- on a mundane assignment on some standard ship? waste of talent. he should have been assigned to SF hq in research or intel or both

i can kind of see why 7 would have gone the route she did- that being some 'ranger' in the former romulan area. i think she called it a hopeless cause? being involved that way would have been an influence from Chakotay (which i dont think any tptb was going with, they just made her what she is because they could)

IDK, i have seen pieces of STD and to me, PICARD is no where near as bad as that. At worst, PICARD is just sadly boring

btw-- was there any explanation given (yet) as to how Hugh got involved in all of this? certainly this cube they are on was not his from TNG? i thought those borg were over the whole assimilation thing?

 

[YJ02]

To see Bobby made into a criminal was so stupidly annoying and 100% out of character

this is 'wokeness' and the elite's belief, in their view, paralleled in reality by trying to say that all vets are criminals just looking for another war. in S4 they also hit on the whole failure of the mars VA system as well, trying to parallel the actual VA in reality

They made Alex a glorified tow truck driver and nothing more happened with his character yet he was an integral part of the story in previous seasons

they made him into a love sick puppy who cant operate without sex. implying un woke men cannot function unless they have sex---or something

What the hell did they do to Naomi ?

i read that in the book she didn't even go to the surface of the planet

Asyrela was a complete joke this time around and what was with the hubby hanging around her ? That also made no sense !

again more mirroring to our reality. this time a "want could have been if the election wasn't stolen from clinton"
this is, we see how our Pres Clinton could of had her first "First Man" following her around..what a dynamic team that could have been? just like Aversala and her husband!

Funny how they made a steal cable a mile long in space and at the hands of a teenage girl( whom has zero engineering or technical skills because she has not gone to University yet ) is running the show . Yah ,,,wow . I am still scratching my head on that one . You go girl !

i ave asked this several times here and zero answers..c'mon hardcore Expanse fandom!! DEFEND your beloved!

ooopss wrong thread!

 

[YJ02]

maybe they will get to it, but i see a lot of visual name dropping here

7 of 9, hugh, riker... all seemingly plopped in to beef up the credibility

like where has 7 been? what happened to chakotay?

how did Hugh's ex borg brigade get a cube; didn't we see them with that crazy looking ship in TNG, no cube? And why would Hugh have allowed assimilation (the romulans in the ex borg group)?

i mean, i am not opposed to these known characters being in PICARD cause why wouldn't they be? There is just no back story given and things are left to the viewer to develop an explanation (like how i stated 7 being a ranger for hopeless causes a trait she would have picked up from Chakotay) on our own



and the whole deal of Romulans rehabbing borg back to individuality by removing their components--- why are they doing this? Romulans are not known-save a few individuals- for their altruism

so yeah, maybe they will get to all of this, but from the previews I just see a big space chase going on

btw- the borg, from the way of some dialogue it seems that TPTB's have it off screen established that the Collective is still out there. i cant recall the exact line and episode but i remember very brief talk on the cube about precautions needed to not draw attn of the collective

 

[YJ02]

maybe they will get to it, but i see a lot of visual name dropping here

7 of 9, hugh, riker... all seemingly plopped in to beef up the credibility

like where has 7 been? what happened to chakotay?

how did Hugh's ex borg brigade get a cube; didn't we see them with that crazy looking ship in TNG, no cube? And why would Hugh have allowed assimilation (the romulans in the ex borg group)?

i mean, i am not opposed to these known characters being in PICARD cause why wouldn't they be? There is just no back story given and things are left to the viewer to develop an explanation (like how i stated 7 being a ranger for hopeless causes a trait she would have picked up from Chakotay) on our own



and the whole deal of Romulans rehabbing borg back to individuality by removing their components--- why are they doing this? Romulans are not known-save a few individuals- for their altruism

so yeah, maybe they will get to all of this, but from the previews I just see a big space chase going on

btw- the borg, from the way of some dialogue it seems that TPTB's have it off screen established that the Collective is still out there. i cant recall the exact line and episode but i remember very brief talk on the cube about precautions needed to not draw attn of the collective

@Overmind One , have any of my questions been answered in an ep and i just missed it? or are the answers all up to viewer supposition? maybe in some graphic novel, book or comic? video game? i am being serious...if this IS THE CASE--answers to these questions and others in tie in merch--then CBS is taking a dead rip from disney with their scheme with SW's

that is, make a show/movie watchable as is, but if you got questions then ya gotta pay for the answers (or google them when they become available)

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and i am not saying PICARD is bad, just that watching it is like eating soggy white bread with no toppings or drinking a diet sparkling water..all BLAHHHHHHHH tasteless and boring

the ONLY trek i have ever fallen asleep to before were eps from TNG S1

 

[Joelist]

I will flat out call Picard bad. Yes we get these TNG/VOY actors making appearances but none of their characters (especially Picard himself) even resemble their original characters - they are all unrelated people.

 

[YJ02]

Yes we get these TNG/VOY actors making appearances but none of their characters (especially Picard himself) even resemble their original characters

thats where, imo, some good old fashioned backstory, in dialogue or flashback, COULD (stressed) make for a more convincing show

but now that i have written it down, i bet you that there are related merch purchases required to get those fill-in-the-blanks points on the characters and other issues like how did the romulans get a borg cube to begin with

i mean how can you have seven without some mention of chakotay? how can you have hugh without some explanation of how he came to be on this cube and working for the romulans?

i am surprised we haven't seen klingons thrown in aimlessly for good measure!

 

[Lord Ba'al]

Episode 6 was quite good. They're starting to get into the thick of things now. With serialized format, it takes a while for the story and characters to develop. I think it's worth it.