PussyGalore
Meow
It's very sad. They gave the rights to people that are not ST fans and who have no respect for it.
Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.
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It's very sad. They gave the rights to people that are not ST fans and who have no respect for it.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
It's like the star wars franchise. It seems that they wanted the next cash cow but this time it back fired. Both Disney and CBS have now determined the fate of both franchises. Both are going to burn to the ground.
PussyGalore
Meow
The problem is both SW and ST are now owned by giant corporations that see them as vehicles for making money. The CEO's don't care about fidelity to story, they just care about the share holder return on investment. They don't care about putting a genuine fan in charge of production either. (J.J. Abrams famously admitted that he was not a fan of ST and didn't watch the original series.)
Neither franchise has a protective father figure anymore. Roddenberry is dead and Lucas has cashed out. Their corporate shoe fillers don't have the same attachment to the stories; they aren't genuine fans. For instance, if Kathleen Kennedy was a true SW fan she never would have allowed it to be sodomized and butchered the way it has been under her watch. It's as simple as that.
And I maintain that there can be fidelity to the story while also making a hearty profit. If you write a simple story with well-defined heroes and villains people will return for more and more. It's a formula that has worked since story telling began. Unfortunately these CEO's today think they need to improve on this formula and reinvent the wheel, hence failure ensues and we're all poorer for it.
Corporate "entertainment" as a committee/department project with agendas and budgets is not going to work outside of that bubble. People can see the packaged dishonesty and manipulation that is advertising and product marketing and social engineering. But it used to work just fine! In this case, they are banking on the Star Trek and Star Wars "brands" (which they are not), and sticking them on dumb, poor mimicry of the real thing. Because we are all that stupid, right?
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Apparently there are 5, yes 5 new trek shows being made. God, wtf...This idiot is going to shit on the legacy. Fucking moron.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Where are they getting the finance for this show I wonder?
Kurtzman and Abrams have created their own thing they are being allowed to brand with the name "Star Trek". I have seen how they roll, and I am no longer interested in Star Trek as a vehicle. It is a closed package, like all the other series I have in my collection. It ends with TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent and all the movies up to the 2009 Abrams movie. Nothing else from the 2009 movie on is Star Trek to me. I have come to the realization that I am in that group of "established fanbase" people who are being dumped for a new audience. Thing is, this so-called new audience has not materialized. I don't know anyone who likes or is watching Discovery. I don't overhear millennials talking about it. I don't see anyone wearing STD t-shirts. The show has not won any major awards. What gives? Most everything I read online about it is negative, and the positive support appears to be coming from people being paid to write shill commentary.
PussyGalore
Meow
Financing comes from corporate investors that are still in the fog and don't know better yet. All they hear are the words "Star Trek" and they assume it will be a safe, successful investment because it has been in the past. In situations like this their intel lags behind the reality of the situation. They trust that the showrunners know what they're doing and will bring in a great return on investment.
In the case of STD it's a bit different in that Netflix (stupidly) paid for the entire first season (and got raped in the process). Netflix investors are still in the fog because the company is still in the spending phase of corporate growth which keeps the stock value high. This "growth" can only be sustained for so long and then it will contract. When that happens all the deficit spending will drag the stock price down and investors will lose. I've seen this happen with corporations numerous times. (The CEO's and top investors are always protected and they usually manage to cash out unscathed leaving the "little guy" to bear the brunt of the loss.)
As for season 2 of STD, I'm assuming CBS is footing the bill now. I suspect they will be a lot more careful with the budget now that it's coming out of their pocket. Regardless, this show appears to be a money pit and I don't see any financial winners in the long run.
Two major firings (Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts) represent cutting the head off the entire writing department. I am sure that Kurtzman threw them under the bus when CBS All Access came for whomever was responsible for the dismal Season 1 and the rejection by the Star Trek massive fanbase which was supposed to like this show and even pay for it. The positive response from the Trek fanbase for The Orville, and the new rapidly growing fanbase for The Expanse really grinds their noses too. Season 2 is going to suffer because of the existence of Season 1, just like it was for SGU.
What I really don't get is why nobody at CBS seems to see that Kurtzman himself is the problem. Kurtzman HIRED Gretchen and Harberts. He signed off on all the dumbass scripts and approved the budget spent on showing us Akiva's creative Klingon dual penises peeing. He allowed the wardrobe department to order ridiculously expensive micro-embroidered custom fabric for the uniforms, and he must have seen the dumb spinning ship. Why should anyone expect improvement if he is still the captain of the ship?
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PussyGalore
Meow
I know a fair amount of people but I don't know anyone who has CBS No Access. I know this is just an anecdotal observation but I just don't see this service as being popular at all. And I certainly don't see a second season of this show as making any sort of monumental change in viewership. It's just not going to happen.
Yep, the spending numbers from last season have no doubt been used as benchmarks to budget out Season 2 way higher than it should be. This is unsustainable, just as you said. They will get this second season to prove themselves and if it bombs they will be getting walking papers around the midway point of Season 2 (probably a season break). I will be shocked if they get a Season 3, but let's see what happens for Season 2.
PussyGalore
Meow
They might get a third season based upon the "sunk cost" reasoning that DEFIANCE used to get that many seasons. After all, they've pooped away this much money already so why stop now?
BTW, I have tried to find how much DEFIANCE made in terms of spending vs. ROI but can't find anything with a Google search. I'm curious to know if they made their money back, let alone a profit. (I know there was a video game tied into it but don't think that helped much.) At any rate, I think it would be a good comparison to STD which is another show that is throwing good money after bad.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
It's getting worse. Apparently there is now going to be a Picard centric series.
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/star-trek/58553/star-trek-picard-centric-series-news
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Even if Netflix paid for the first season I am talking about these new series. To me this financing must be funny money or fake money just to buy time. Who is investing into CBS is beyond me. I wouldn't be buying their subscription service after what they did to star trek. Forget about the dark undertone. It's mainly not star trek at all and the actors they've hired are terrible.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
The most remarkable part in the article is that Kurtzman has job security for the next five years and gets 5 million per year. All of that and the only thing he'll have to do in return is rape the franchise.
PussyGalore
Meow
Yeah, they're definitely exploiting the fact that Picard is a popular character, that's how they're getting financing. The new show is going to be crap and an insult to Picard fans everywhere.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Looks like someone is mixing up Enterprise and TNG.
https://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-discovery-season-2-image/
Yeah, whatever.
He is making his own thing that they allowed to be called Star Trek and make his own new thingie out of it by throwing shit at the wall and looking for inspiration. Every now and then, he throws a reference in there or a tribble or something having to do with a Gorn. Oh, and dumb dialogue and f-bombs and spore drive that required the ship to literally spin out. In space.The saddest part of it for me is that I am not refusing to watch it out of anger, or feeling slighted by them doing this. I am just plain not interested in watching it. It isn't my kind of show. It probably will appeal to it's new audience, but it isn't any sort of Star Trek I want to see anymore. Oh well, there is The Orville, and then on the serious side, The Expanse. All good things....
heisenberg
Earl Grey
Yeah, whatever.
The saddest part of it for me is that I am not refusing to watch it out of anger, or feeling slighted by them doing this. I am just plain not interested in watching it. It isn't my kind of show. It probably will appeal to it's new audience, but it isn't any sort of Star Trek I want to see anymore. Oh well, there is The Orville, and then on the serious side, The Expanse. All good things....
They've turned it into jj abrams trek.
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heisenberg
Earl Grey
https://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/cbs-announces-four-part-star-trek-series-ng-s-1878739
a 4 part series that is 10-15 minutes long. The point? Who greenlites this shit, seriously? Who is their demographic audience?
a 4 part series that is 10-15 minutes long. The point? Who greenlites this shit, seriously? Who is their demographic audience?