Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.

[Tripler]

https://www.blogto.com/film/2017/10/toronto-landmark-makes-appearance-new-star-trek-series/

 

[Tripler]

Did you notice they kept saying it was a huge hit and was renewed for season 2 lol ...

 

[heisenberg]

Yes, that appears to be the case. They have to retcon Michael into Spock's life, and they are going to try it with this Spock.



The appearance of Spock is going to hurt this show more than help it. Remember, Spock comes from real Star Trek, and the NuTrek crowd doesn't really give a shit about him or the Enterprise 1701. Does anyone NOT see this as an attempt to draw in the massive Trek fanbase which refuses to watch this show? They will f**k it up. Guaranteed.

Yes I agree with you there. I think they're trying to still continue on with their shitty version of the Kelvin universe before the merger goes through.

 

[heisenberg]

This dumbass hasn't listened.

Every ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Season 2 Episode Will Feel Like a Movie

since the days of the 1978 Battlestar Galactica borrowing aesthetics from Star Wars, sci-fi on TV has always been trying to copy what was happening in the biggest sci-fi movies. But, these days, that gap is pretty much closed. So much so that screenwriter and Star Trek producer Alex Kurtzman thinks good TV can have the same quality as a good movie, which is great news if you can’t make it to the movie theater very often. This week, in talking about the next season of Star Trek: Discovery, Kurtzman explained why each episode will basically be like a feature film./quote]

https://www.fatherly.com/news/every-star-trek-discovery-season-2-episode-will-feel-like-a-movie/


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Star Trek Discovery' time loop episode was to save money

A time loop episode in the first season of “Star Trek Discovery” was exciting to watch for the fans, and it is arguably one of the best on the show, but the decision to come up with this episode was not driven by creative interest. Showrunner Aaron Harberts revealed at a recent event that it was budget constraints that led them to choose this particular plot.

Harberts was very candid when he spoke at an Emmy “For Your Consideration” event, TrekMoviereports. The producer said that they made the time loop episode because they were “desperate to save money.”

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/star-trek-discovery-time-loop-episode-was-save-money-1569148

 

[PussyGalore]

This dumbass hasn't listened.



https://www.fatherly.com/news/every-star-trek-discovery-season-2-episode-will-feel-like-a-movie/


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Star Trek Discovery' time loop episode was to save money



http://www.ibtimes.com.au/star-trek-discovery-time-loop-episode-was-save-money-1569148

I'm confused, the time loop episode was from season #1, correct? If so why were they desperate to save money? Netflix gave them hundreds of millions of dollars for that one season alone so why were they as broke as a bum outside a McDonalds at that point? Also, did they not have every episode written before they started filming? And if not completely written at least outlined with a cursory budget already allotted to it? This does not make sense.

Now I know that in previous ST shows they often had "ship in a bottle" episodes each season. How this works is that the producers are given a set amount of money to film the season and then they figure out how much each episode will cost to produce based upon new sets needed, special FX, guest stars, etc. Some episodes require more money to effectively produce than others so the producers plan for that. They have the writers come up with a few filler episodes that take place on already existing sets with the standard cast (or just a few of them). That's why they're called "ship in a bottle" episodes because the story pretty much takes place on the ship and doesn't require a lot in the way of FX or guest stars. So if each episode costs, on average, $2 million to film the producers can save money on "ship in a bottle" episodes and use the balance from those episodes to put towards more important episodes in the story arc. It's all about fiscal management.

Now it may sound like they're doing the same thing on STD but there's something not quite making sense about it this time. Why didn't they have this stuff figured out ahead of time? Why were they "desperate" to save money when they were given the largest upfront budget of any ST series in history? Of course unexpected costs do come up but for them to be "desperate" to film an episode when they started out with a massive pile of cash still doesn't make sense. Clearly the fiscal accounting for this show is as bad and inept as the writing.

 

[Overmind One]

I'm confused, the time loop episode was from season #1, correct? If so why were they desperate to save money? Netflix gave them hundreds of millions of dollars for that one season alone so why were they as broke as a bum outside a McDonalds at that point? Also, did they not have every episode written before they started filming? And if not completely written at least outlined with a cursory budget already allotted to it? This does not make sense.

Now I know that in previous ST shows they often had "ship in a bottle" episodes each season. How this works is that the producers are given a set amount of money to film the season and then they figure out how much each episode will cost to produce based upon new sets needed, special FX, guest stars, etc. Some episodes require more money to effectively produce than others so the producers plan for that. They have the writers come up with a few filler episodes that take place on already existing sets with the standard cast (or just a few of them). That's why they're called "ship in a bottle" episodes because the story pretty much takes place on the ship and doesn't require a lot in the way of FX or guest stars. So if each episode costs, on average, $2 million to film the producers can save money on "ship in a bottle" episodes and use the balance from those episodes to put towards more important episodes in the story arc. It's all about fiscal management.

Now it may sound like they're doing the same thing on STD but there's something not quite making sense about it this time. Why didn't they have this stuff figured out ahead of time? Why were they "desperate" to save money when they were given the largest upfront budget of any ST series in history? Of course unexpected costs do come up but for them to be "desperate" to film an episode when they started out with a massive pile of cash still doesn't make sense. Clearly the fiscal accounting for this show is as bad and inept as the writing.

This show was never about fiscal management, it was about making Star Trek the best and brightest and edgiest and most hipsterful thing EVAH. They were rolling in cash! More than 100 million. I can see it in the show, with the overdone sets and the tailor made uniforms for each character with the fancy material that nobody cares about (do you know that tiny chevrons are woven into the material?). The gold panels you see on those Discovery uniforms are made up of tiny embroidered chevrons in gold:



Was that really necessary? All the expensive props and junk they have on the show and the feature-length movie CGI they use is expensive! And it amounts to no more than dressing a pig in Dior.

The thing that disturbed me most about that article was the last lines:

“Star Trek Discovery” season 2 will bring in characters from the original TV series. The fans will have to wait till next year to find out what the producers have in store.

 

[Overmind One]

Bumping this from earlier...

http://www.gatefans.net/gforums/threads/star-trek-discovery-sucks.28600/page-26#post-909297

http://www.gatefans.net/gforums/threads/star-trek-discovery-sucks.28600/page-26#post-909298

Breaking it down. First of all, understand that CBS All Access falls under the "Entertainment" section of the revenue tables, not Cable Networks. Looking at that, we see a net decrease over last year:

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Now let's look at the other indicators. Advertising revenue is down. Content licensing and distribution is also down. The increased revenue for the quarter is 100% because of Affiliate fees and subscription fees (not CBS All Access). Content licensing covers the licensing of Trek merchandise, as well as licensing CBS stuff to be played on the affiliate stations or elements used in other productions.

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So, it's still a pig. Of course, few if any of the shills or squeedrones are going to bother thinking about any of these numbers. When is the next 'splosion?

Season 2 should open with a laugh.

 

[PussyGalore]

Season 2 should open with a laugh.

An unintended laugh.

BTW, has CBS No Access released any numbers for season 1 yet, fictional or otherwise?

 

[Overmind One]

An unintended laugh.

BTW, has CBS No Access released any numbers for season 1 yet, fictional or otherwise?

NO, they have not, nor will they. But as extrapolated in the links I bumped, we will be getting a Prospectus from CBS which will reveal the numbers and we can just run them to get what we need.

 

[PussyGalore]

NO, they have not, nor will they. But as extrapolated in the links I bumped, we will be getting a Prospectus from CBS which will reveal the numbers and we can just run them to get what we need.

I look forward to the ratings charade they are going to put on.

 

[Overmind One]

I look forward to the ratings charade they are going to put on.

The changes they are allegedly making for Season 2 sounds more like an out-of-control writing and production crew being told to show some progress. If it can't function as a flagship for CBS All Access, it will have to be canceled just to maintain fiscal sanity.

 

[PussyGalore]

The changes they are allegedly making for Season 2 sounds more like an out-of-control writing and production crew being told to show some progress. If it can't function as a flagship for CBS All Access, it will have to be canceled just to maintain fiscal sanity.

I love that they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show is a failure and a money pit but if they cancel it shareholder confidence in CBS No Access will be lost. They have no other option but to put on a brave face and soldier on despite the fact that they've already lost the war.

 

[Joelist]

Somewhere upthread we did the math on what they need in new subscribers THAT STAY to pay for the show, and it was in the neighborhood of 1.6 million such people. I suspect they are nowhere near to that.

 

[PussyGalore]

Somewhere upthread we did the math on what they need in new subscribers THAT STAY to pay for the show, and it was in the neighborhood of 1.6 million such people. I suspect they are nowhere near to that.

Right, but how can they ever admit that their streaming service is a failure? That would severely impact their share holders and market value. I'm not sure how they're going to avoid having the truth come out eventually though.

 

[Overmind One]

Somewhere upthread we did the math on what they need in new subscribers THAT STAY to pay for the show, and it was in the neighborhood of 1.6 million such people. I suspect they are nowhere near to that.

Yep, you are right about that. It didn't matter for Season 1, since Netflix footed the (very expensive) licensing bill under false pretenses foisted by CBS on them. But CBS is paying the second season, and TPTB appear to be trying to retreat into familiar Star Trek territory to protect their investment share of the two year deal. But it won't be nearly enough. Too much stuff to fix/eliminate/walk back.

 

[heisenberg]

Yep, you are right about that. It didn't matter for Season 1, since Netflix footed the (very expensive) licensing bill under false pretenses foisted by CBS on them. But CBS is paying the second season, and TPTB appear to be trying to retreat into familiar Star Trek territory to protect their investment share of the two year deal. But it won't be nearly enough. Too much stuff to fix/eliminate/walk back.

haha. Another one bites the dust. Oh great, Kutzman now has control over this franchise. Now this is going in the fry pan into the fire. The titanic. Anyone want to make a quick cheesy memes of star trek discovery?
This thing is finished.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...covery-showrunners-alex-kurtzman-take-1120416

 

[PussyGalore]

haha. Another one bites the dust. Oh great, Kutzman now has control over this franchise. Now this is going in the fry pan into the fire. The titanic. Anyone want to make a quick cheesy memes of star trek discovery?
This thing is finished.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...covery-showrunners-alex-kurtzman-take-1120416

The Hollywood Reporter article is fascinatingly disingenuous. This line alone had me LMAO:

Discovery remains on course for season two in 2019 with new and continuing stories that build on its successful premiere season," producers CBS Television Studios said Thursday in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter.

And the comments prove that people aren't buying the BS the producers are selling. A few people try to defend this turd of a show but they're quickly put in their place by an avalanche of people pointing out how horrible it is. It seems that there's no more room in the STD budget to pay shills anymore because the pro-STD voices are few in number. It's mostly people "spitting truth" about this "Star Trek in name only" production.

 

[Overmind One]

These two things jumped out from that Hollywood Reporter link you posted:

In another departure for season two of Star Trek, THR has learned that executive producer Akiva Goldsman did not return to Discovery after serving as Kurtzman's right-hand man during its freshman run. Goldsman was brought in to help build the world of Discovery, but the veteran producer, who directed the season one finale, is said to have had a management style and personality that clashed with the writing staff. It's unclear if Goldsman will continue to receive an exec producer credit on season two.

Akiva Goldsman is the genius who gave us Klingon dual dongs. Buh bye, idiot.

This is the second showrunner change on Star Trek: Discovery. Former showrunner Fuller clashed with CBS over the show's concept, casting, directors, costumes and budget on top of its original launch date. (The series was originally slated to premiere in January 2017 and was delayed twice.)

So it's clear: Fuller was trying to stop this thing from becoming a trainwreck by telling them that the costumes were wrong, the concept was wrong, the casting was wrong and the budget was too high. Mean old Bryan Fuller! How dare he be logical and faithful to Star Trek!

 

[PussyGalore]

These two things jumped out from that Hollywood Reporter link you posted:



Akiva Goldsman is the genius who gave us Klingon dual dongs. Buh bye, idiot.



So it's clear: Fuller was trying to stop this thing from becoming a trainwreck by telling them that the costumes were wrong, the concept was wrong, the casting was wrong and the budget was too high. Mean old Bryan Fuller! How dare he be logical and faithful to Star Trek!

That's exactly how I read it too. Clearly Fuller was the voice of sanity that they didn't want to listen to. What a bunch of idiots.

 

[heisenberg]

These two things jumped out from that Hollywood Reporter link you posted:



Akiva Goldsman is the genius who gave us Klingon dual dongs. Buh bye, idiot.



So it's clear: Fuller was trying to stop this thing from becoming a trainwreck by telling them that the costumes were wrong, the concept was wrong, the casting was wrong and the budget was too high. Mean old Bryan Fuller! How dare he be logical and faithful to Star Trek!

How Heart breaking. Everything I love is falling to pieces. These jackasses don't seem to give a shit about the legacy of star trek.