Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
Why would I do that if I can get the news right here.I know this is a flight of fancy but if only there was a way for someone to type a query into a site that can look things up on the World Wide Web...
Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.
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I know this is a flight of fancy but if only there was a way for someone to type a query into a site that can look things up on the World Wide Web...
Like Google? An embedded search that returns results while still on the site? Not sure what you are asking...
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
He's just telling me to google it.
The sarcasm is strong in that one.
And he is so damned good at it I don't always catch it!
That was what I was referring to. I will have to see what I can find. I miss the days when I had connections in the Industry which could give me inside info.
I have a few, but nothing like before.
PussyGalore
Meow
That was what I was referring to. I will have to see what I can find. I miss the days when I had connections in the Industry which could give me inside info.
I suspect it's still in limbo at this point. Trivial details, like Simon Pegg not writing the next movie even though he's supposedly penning one anyway (go figure), have come out, but nothing of major importance. Zachary Quinto mentioned that there are multiple scripts in development right now. That's about it. Ho hum.
Graag gedaan
I suspect it's still in limbo at this point. Trivial details, like Simon Pegg not writing the next movie even though he's supposedly penning one anyway (go figure), have come out, but nothing of major importance. Zachary Quinto mentioned that there are multiple scripts in development right now. That's about it. Ho hum.
Graag gedaan
Pegg is trying to resolve a failure realization. When the first trailer came out, the negative response was immediate and widespread. He tried to deflect it and said that the trailer was not a good indicator of the movie. I say it was right on point. Now, he is saying the relative failure of Beyond was due to marketing. No, Simon! It was a horrible story. Pegg refuses to accept it. As far as this 4th movie, there is still no guarantee that it will be made even though it has been greenlit. Why bother?
PussyGalore
Meow
Yeah I remember people being excited when it was announced that Pegg was writing Beyond. We all thought that since he was a self-proclaimed ST fan he would really do it justice. That didn't happen though. He needs to accept it and move on.
Pegg and Lin actually did a decent job with Beyond. Their big problems were that they had to deal with the universe Abrams created especially in Star Trek Into Darkness, and the dead weight from it was too much. Both I and the other Trek fans in my circle like it the best of the NuTrek films and it is by far the closest of the three to being Trek.
And yes the marketing campaign for the film was incompetent. The release was poorly timed (midsummer instead of May or even better September to be on the Star Trek 50th anniversary) and there was not a lot of ad support. It reminded me of how poorly thought out marketing sabotaged the first Pacific Rim and also Serenity. I think had it been released on the 50th anniversary and better supported with advertising it would have done a lot better.
That said, Star Trek Into Darkness created too much plot baggage and without freedom to write the junky stuff out even had it succeeded it was time to end the film series.
And yes the marketing campaign for the film was incompetent. The release was poorly timed (midsummer instead of May or even better September to be on the Star Trek 50th anniversary) and there was not a lot of ad support. It reminded me of how poorly thought out marketing sabotaged the first Pacific Rim and also Serenity. I think had it been released on the 50th anniversary and better supported with advertising it would have done a lot better.
That said, Star Trek Into Darkness created too much plot baggage and without freedom to write the junky stuff out even had it succeeded it was time to end the film series.
As you pointed out in the SW fanbase, I think I am a bit closer to the Star Trek fanbase than you likely are. Beyond is considered the worst of the three, with the first one being the best received. The main reasons being cited are:
1. Dumb story (baddie of the week, done badly)
2. Canon trample (dirtbike, transporter issues, the downed Franklin, smiling Spock, Krall, the alien girl, more)
3. The dumb transparent ball "starbase" out there in the middle of nowhere
4. Beastie Boys
Marketing was fine IMO. It may have been the first trailer which started the initial rejection. The movie was okay as a movie to buy popcorn to watch, but it was not Star Trek. Marketing only exposes that a product is available, it does not drive sales. Example: Star Trek: Discovery which has spent millions on advertising and is still a fail.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that the "junky stuff" was written IN, in the first place. I used to like the first film of the trilogy, but after Into Darkness, I retroactively no longer like the first one. Outside of my personal take on these reboot movies, the revenue closely matches how much the Trek fanbase liked these films or didn't like them. Beyond did worse (exponentially worse) than Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness.
The fail of the Kelvinverse is pervasive across the NuTrek franchise. The Trek fanbase is not over the blowing up of Vulcan or the creation of the Kelvin timeline. The ship, the stories they have put in all three films, all of it suffers because of it being in the Kelvin timeline.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I suspect it's still in limbo at this point. Trivial details, like Simon Pegg not writing the next movie even though he's supposedly penning one anyway (go figure), have come out, but nothing of major importance. Zachary Quinto mentioned that there are multiple scripts in development right now. That's about it. Ho hum.
Graag gedaan
Thanks. I was referring to a TV show though, not a movie. Because back when Discovery wasn't even airing yet and there was already a huge fan backlash there were talks about another Star Trek TV show project being put on the rails. Nothing to do with the movies.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
lawl paid shills to write good reviews for this crap.I know this is a flight of fancy but if only there was a way for someone to type a query into a site that can look things up on the World Wide Web...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/reviews?sort=helpfulnessScore&dir=desc&ratingFilter=9
Disgusting, isn't it? But there are only 155 9-star reviews on there (you filtered it by 9-star ratings or above). If you change the filter to 1-star, there are 455 1-star reviews, 128 2-star reviews, and when you don't mess with the filters at all and leave it at the default (Most helpful, show all reviews), you get 40 pages of 1-star reviews. So, it still is reflecting the reality of the show which is that it stinks.
When it comes down to it though, all the spin and shilling needs to translate into increased viewership. It won't really matter how many good reviews they post anywhere, if not enough people watch the show. Also, there is the issue with advertisers. If not that many are watching the show, then advertising spots will not be expensive.
PussyGalore
Meow
Disgusting, isn't it? But there are only 155 9-star reviews on there (you filtered it by 9-star ratings or above). If you change the filter to 1-star, there are 455 1-star reviews, 128 2-star reviews, and when you don't mess with the filters at all and leave it at the default (Most helpful, show all reviews), you get 40 pages of 1-star reviews. So, it still is reflecting the reality of the show which is that it stinks.
When it comes down to it though, all the spin and shilling needs to translate into increased viewership. It won't really matter how many good reviews they post anywhere, if not enough people watch the show. Also, there is the issue with advertisers. If not that many are watching the show, then advertising spots will not be expensive.
I wonder what metric CBS No Access is using to give ratings numbers to advertisers. Surely they have to provide some sort of ratings numbers in order to sell advertising space. I know that if I were an advertiser I would want more than just their word that their offerings are doing well.
They are probably still using the first two episodes and the first week of signups.
And of course, banking on the name Star Trek. Also, I am sure that they are already spinning up the "great new material" in Season 2.
Tripler
Well Known GateFan
There's great new material ?They are probably still using the first two episodes and the first week of signups.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
If they change it like they did with TNG, then I'll give it a shot. Given that Paramount and Viacom are now come company,spock can now be part of the series.Disgusting, isn't it? But there are only 155 9-star reviews on there (you filtered it by 9-star ratings or above). If you change the filter to 1-star, there are 455 1-star reviews, 128 2-star reviews, and when you don't mess with the filters at all and leave it at the default (Most helpful, show all reviews), you get 40 pages of 1-star reviews. So, it still is reflecting the reality of the show which is that it stinks.
When it comes down to it though, all the spin and shilling needs to translate into increased viewership. It won't really matter how many good reviews they post anywhere, if not enough people watch the show. Also, there is the issue with advertisers. If not that many are watching the show, then advertising spots will not be expensive.
https://www.cbr.com/spock-star-trek-discovery-season-2/
Yes, that appears to be the case. They have to retcon Michael into Spock's life, and they are going to try it with this Spock.
cbr.com said:
The appearance of Spock is going to hurt this show more than help it. Remember, Spock comes from real Star Trek, and the NuTrek crowd doesn't really give a shit about him or the Enterprise 1701. Does anyone NOT see this as an attempt to draw in the massive Trek fanbase which refuses to watch this show? They will f**k it up. Guaranteed.
heisenberg
Earl Grey
wish they made it like this though. Wishful thinking.