Ratings II

[ChromeToasterX]

Ok, just got some very interesting info, was going to post it on GW, but some members there have turned me off from posting so will give you guys the exclusive...

Just heard that if SGU averages 1.7 to 1.8 Million viewers in total viewers live+SD, and around a 0.6/2 18 to 49 demo, they may very well reverse the cancellation. I just heard this from someone. As much as I want to say this is speculation, this makes sense to me.

So if you want to see SGU stay dead hope for the lower, if you want to see it renewed hope for anything north of 1.7 Million viewers and a solid 0.6 age demo.

Hmmm, I wonder if MGM called in some favors or the higher ups at SyFy figured that having two definitively scifi shows go bust right after the other made the advertisers a lot more leery of the channel, which might spell problems for Blood and Chrome, and are trying to rehab their image.

That said, if SGU does by some miracle or fluke get picked up again, it could be a positive move if they ditched BW and got some fresh writers in there. Not holding out any hope, but there is some stuff worth salvaging out of this mess.

 

[THX1138]

Australian ratings for Thu 3rd March
"Life" 194,000 viewers
Source : TV Tonight

 

[johnsheppard]

Ok, just got some very interesting info, was going to post it on GW, but some members there have turned me off from posting so will give you guys the exclusive...

Just heard that if SGU averages 1.7 to 1.8 Million viewers in total viewers live+SD, and around a 0.6/2 18 to 49 demo, they may very well reverse the cancellation. I just heard this from someone. As much as I want to say this is speculation, this makes sense to me.

So if you want to see SGU stay dead hope for the lower, if you want to see it renewed hope for anything north of 1.7 Million viewers and a solid 0.6 age demo.

Oh and if this quote does somehow make it to GW, will likely get a lovely post from KEK on GW, lol. Can't wait for that one. lol.

I can't imagine sgu could do 1.7 viewers Live+SD when for thr last eps sgu got steadily around 1.0 in live+SD and got the lowest rates of all the franchise. Si you imagine the series could gain 600 000 viewers in live.
I quote you again
http://www.gatefans.net/forums/showthread.php/1604-Ratings-II?p=40102#post40102

Now getting to Stargate. SGA and SG-1 may have lost live viewers, but they did not lose total viewers. People still showed up to the TV to watch even if it was the next day or so. They both had good numbers in syndication and reruns, you guys saw what I posted from a couple of years ago. Now here comes SGU, a more serial show, which started off excellent in ratings, then to what we call a "Fat Kid doing a belly flop in the wading pool" SGU did not lose live to DVR, people just stopped watching. As I posted and MS posted, SGU's Live+7 was hovering around 1.5 Million. Which for Total viewers is pathetic. As I keep saying SGA was hitting highs of 2.5 Million viewers for their key eps in the final season.

 

[johnsheppard]

Just found french audience sadly they only give them for the 3 eps that are aired the same evening.
sgu ep 1-2-3 522000
ep 4-5-6 476000
ep 7-8-9 437000
So the same result than in other countries around the world despite what some said what about the sgu success all around the world.
It'd be interesting to know how many SGA got on the same channel.

Just got the rates of the last Friday for 3 eps on french channel
Ep 10-11-12
410 000
1.7%
Still down.
They lost 112 000 in 3 weeks

 

[heisenberg]

anyone listening to the podcast...

 

[heisenberg]

I LOL'D at the guy from sydney australia, who labeled SGU as being "realistic"

 

[Briangate78]

anyone listening to the podcast...

Yeah, Darren needs to get his facts straight. SGU was in trouble on Friday night as well when it started to dip below 1.5 Million viewers. Syfy's only chance was to move it to Tuesday to get more viewers. It would of still been cancelled.

EDit: Ok after listening to more people calling in, I have come to the fact that people truly have no clue how the Ratings and TV industry work.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Yeah, Darren needs to get his facts straight. SGU was in trouble on Friday night as well when it started to dip below 1.5 Million viewers. Syfy's only chance was to move it to Tuesday to get more viewers. It would of still been cancelled.

EDit: Ok after listening to more people calling in, I have come to the fact that people truly have no clue how the Ratings and TV industry work.

Nope, people just have no idea how business in general works, the ratings are even harder for some to understand than basic business precepts.
OT (sorta) Did anyone else notice how quickly the first excuse for the ratings came out from David?

 

[Briangate78]

Nope, people just have no idea how business in general works, the ratings are even harder for some to understand than basic business precepts.
OT (sorta) Did anyone else notice how quickly the first excuse for the ratings came out from David?

Yeah, it is amazing how many excuses they have to use. So if the ratings don't go up on Monday, will they say it's because of the Monday slot? lol. Well there is still Wed and Thurs that has not been tried.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Yeah, it is amazing how many excuses they have to use. So if the ratings don't go up on Monday, will they say it's because of the Monday slot? lol. Well there is still Wed and Thurs that has not been tried.

2:50 in David starts up about it running opposite Castle and how it has 12M viewers and has Nathan Fillion, so scifi fans will have to decide between SGU and the former Firefly star. I mean come on, not even aired and you can't go a full 3 minutes, including the intro music etc and the excuses start flowing like the communion wine.
I've listened to quite a few of the podcasts lately and I've come to the conclusion that Darren seems to have a far more umm, balanced view than David.

 

[Briangate78]

2:50 in David starts up about it running opposite Castle and how it has 12M viewers and has Nathan Fillion, so scifi fans will have to decide between SGU and the former Firefly star. I mean come on, not even aired and you can't go a full 3 minutes, including the intro music etc and the excuses start flowing like the communion wine.
I've listened to quite a few of the podcasts lately and I've come to the conclusion that Darren seems to have a far more umm, balanced view than David.

David is not balanced at all, I also think Darren is more sided with SG-1/SGA, only because he has yet to rate a single SGU episode 4 Stars in his episode reviews. SG-1 and SGA had a bunch in their first seasons. I've talked to Darren in private, and I think he is a cool guy, but the podcasts sometimes irk me when they put SGU on this pedastal.

 

[YoshiKart64]

David is not balanced at all, I also think Darren is more sided with SG-1/SGA, only because he has yet to rate a single SGU episode 4 Stars in his episode reviews. SG-1 and SGA had a bunch in their first seasons. I've talked to Darren in private, and I think he is a cool guy, but the podcasts sometimes irk me when they put SGU on this pedastal.

I haven't listened to the podcast but your comment brings up a good point. The arrival of SGU caused many to try and downplay the quality of Atlantis/SG1, to the point where it was presented as a fact that Universe was the better show. Equally though the response to to that has led to Atlantis being put on a pedestal, it being the image of this great show that was lost. To me that seems just as bad as it ignores the large amount of criticism the show faced in its final years and the myriad of issues it had.

Still I don't really understand the need to place emphasis on one over the other anyway. They're all made by the same people, set in the same universe and feature a lot of the same characters. It's not like we're looking at different people's visions of the Stargate idea.

 

[Rac80]

the sga promise!

I haven't listened to the podcast but your comment brings up a good point. The arrival of SGU caused many to try and downplay the quality of Atlantis/SG1, to the point where it was presented as a fact that Universe was the better show. Equally though the response to to that has led to Atlantis being put on a pedestal, it being the image of this great show that was lost. To me that seems just as bad as it ignores the large amount of criticism the show faced in its final years and the myriad of issues it had.

Still I don't really understand the need to place emphasis on one over the other anyway. They're all made by the same people, set in the same universe and feature a lot of the same characters. It's not like we're looking at different people's visions of the Stargate idea.

Atlantis started out with such promise..Rising (the highest rated of the stargate pilots) was the best tv pilot I have ever seen (and since I am 48 that is saying a lot!) I loved it when the city rose from the ocean...what a great moment. But then it seemed to fizzle quite fast though. I never watched all of the first season on tv (looks for her nemesis)- mckay was too annoying. I stopped watching - although snookie still enjoyed it! I would catch an episode now and then. when the third season began I caught an episode and was hooked again. Mckay had been toned down, I loved the team dynamic, and it seemed to be heading in a great direction. that all fizzled out by midway through season 4, I watched until the end. (Still a brainstorm virgin though!)

SGpoo though never caught my imagination. the pilot was horrible and boring, the characters are merely caricatures so a supposed "normal person"- not even close to reality, and all the hype etc turned me completely off. If SGA is on a pedestal (IMHO) it is because it started with such promise.

 

[Briangate78]

Atlantis started out with such promise..Rising (the highest rated of the stargate pilots) was the best tv pilot I have ever seen (and since I am 48 that is saying a lot!) I loved it when the city rose from the ocean...what a great moment. But then it seemed to fizzle quite fast though. I never watched all of the first season on tv (looks for her nemesis)- mckay was too annoying. I stopped watching - although snookie still enjoyed it! I would catch an episode now and then. when the third season began I caught an episode and was hooked again. Mckay had been toned down, I loved the team dynamic, and it seemed to be heading in a great direction. that all fizzled out by midway through season 4, I watched until the end. (Still a brainstorm virgin though!)

SGpoo though never caught my imagination. the pilot was horrible and boring, the characters are merely caricatures so a supposed "normal person"- not even close to reality, and all the hype etc turned me completely off. If SGA is on a pedestal (IMHO) it is because it started with such promise.

Season 4 was great, the best, imo. Makes you wonder why the total viewers went from like 1.7 Million to 2.2 Million by the end of Season 4, going into Season 5. The last few eps of Season 4 were just epic and how a season should end.

People complained about SGA, and well they got rewarded with SGU, that they are now bashing even more, lol.

 

[Rac80]

good and bad...

Season 4 was great, the best, imo. Makes you wonder why the total viewers went from like 1.7 Million to 2.2 Million by the end of Season 4, going into Season 5. The last few eps of Season 4 were just epic and how a season should end.

People complained about SGA, and well they got rewarded with SGU, that they are now bashing even more, lol.

it did have a great ending but I was not overly impressed with Harmony, Outcast, (another replicator on earth storyline ) or the storyline behind the kindred..Michael kidnapping the athosians- they had turned michael into a comic book character bad guy! But I enjoyed the last man...great ep (well except for mckeller:puke and it was a great ending to the season with the collapse of the facility- bad special effect there though...didn't "sell" the idea to me. also the travellers ep was just horrible!

 

[YoshiKart64]

Atlantis started out with such promise..Rising (the highest rated of the stargate pilots) was the best tv pilot I have ever seen (and since I am 48 that is saying a lot!) I loved it when the city rose from the ocean...what a great moment. But then it seemed to fizzle quite fast though. I never watched all of the first season on tv (looks for her nemesis)- mckay was too annoying. I stopped watching - although snookie still enjoyed it! I would catch an episode now and then. when the third season began I caught an episode and was hooked again. Mckay had been toned down, I loved the team dynamic, and it seemed to be heading in a great direction. that all fizzled out by midway through season 4, I watched until the end. (Still a brainstorm virgin though!)

SGpoo though never caught my imagination. the pilot was horrible and boring, the characters are merely caricatures so a supposed "normal person"- not even close to reality, and all the hype etc turned me completely off. If SGA is on a pedestal (IMHO) it is because it started with such promise.

I liked Atlantis and thought that it did have a lot of promise, but retroactively putting a show on a pedestal because it works better for the current agenda seems silly to me.

Season 4 was great, the best, imo. Makes you wonder why the total viewers went from like 1.7 Million to 2.2 Million by the end of Season 4, going into Season 5. The last few eps of Season 4 were just epic and how a season should end.

People complained about SGA, and well they got rewarded with SGU, that they are now bashing even more, lol.

More viewers isn't equivalent to rising quality though. Wasn't season 4 the one where they didn't have a mid-season break? Still people don't need to go back and pretend Atlantis was better than it was to put down Universe, just like people don't need to put it down to hype up Universe. And there's way too much of both going on.

Regardless though the argument "my show has more viewers than another show so it's of higher quality" is just a silly as "my show has a higher budget and more experienced actors so it's of higher quality".

 

[Rac80]

SGU= an ounce of pretension produced a pound of manure!

I liked Atlantis and thought that it did have a lot of promise, but retroactively putting a show on a pedestal because it works better for the current agenda seems silly to me.



More viewers isn't equivalent to rising quality though. Wasn't season 4 the one where they didn't have a mid-season break? Still people don't need to go back and pretend Atlantis was better than it was to put down Universe, just like people don't need to put it down to hype up Universe. And there's way too much of both going on.

Regardless though the argument "my show has more viewers than another show so it's of higher quality" is just a silly as "my show has a higher budget and more experienced actors so it's of higher quality".

I never said I put it on a pedestal retroactively. do you ever think that some people do it retroactively simply because in comparison to sgpoo it looks SO GOOD? Honestly sgpoo is enough to make sg1's emancipation look like shakespeare (romeo and juliet if you have ever seen the ep!) with incredible actors and pathos. I personally do not consider the actors on sgpoo to be above the actors of sg1 or sga...there was no nodding and pursing of the lips in those shows!

 

[YoshiKart64]

I never said I put it on a pedestal retroactively. do you ever think that some people do it retroactively simply because in comparison to sgpoo it looks SO GOOD? Honestly sgpoo is enough to make sg1's emancipation look like shakespeare (romeo and juliet if you have ever seen the ep!) with incredible actors and pathos. I personally do not consider the actors on sgpoo to be above the actors of sg1 or sga...there was no nodding and pursing of the lips in those shows!

I wasn't implying you did (after all you have been rather critical of the parts you didn't like) I was simply referring the the notion in general. And yeh I don't consider all SGU actors to be above SG1/SGA actors or vice-versa. Some are better than others, some I prefer more than others.

Sorry though nothing will ever be worse than Emancipation. Ever.

 

[Rac80]

I wasn't implying you did (after all you have been rather critical of the parts you didn't like) I was simply referring the the notion in general. And yeh I don't consider all SGU actors to be above SG1/SGA actors or vice-versa. Some are better than others, some I prefer more than others.

Sorry though nothing will ever be worse than Emancipation. Ever.

gotta respectfully disagree with you there..from what I heard Brainstorm (SGA) was worse and the eps of sgpoo that I watched definitely were. the worst part of emancipation was watching the asian guy fall for the caucasian daughter of two asians! i have heard of ethnic diversity but there is a little thing called genetics they ignored!

 

[YoshiKart64]

gotta respectfully disagree with you there..from what I heard Brainstorm (SGA) was worse and the eps of sgpoo that I watched definitely were. the worst part of emancipation was watching the asian guy fall for the caucasian daughter of two asians! i have heard of ethnic diversity but there is a little thing called genetics they ignored!

I actually didn't mind Brainstorm although your dislike of Mckay might push it over into the "awful" category. And you know my opinion of SGU :icon_e_wink:.

Seriously though...Emancipation....not a fan .