Ratings II

[ChromeToasterX]

You know, they could've done a decent human tragedy angle with Rush, but they decided to do this boring "Rush has a secret agenda" thing throughout the series that made everyone think he was Baltar 2.0 when he's just a smart guy who's gone through a ton of bad stuff and trying to find/accomplish something that will make all his suffering/sacrifices worth it.

As for the SGU characters being more interesting than Teyla and Ronon, for me it's not so much that Teyla and Ronon were interesting over the entire course of the series- in fact, most of the time they were just kinda there, but they did manage to get a fair amount of episodes that were pretty damn good and made the characters a lot more interesting. Most of the SGU A-cast are stupid and/or unlikable and the show would've massively benefited from losing Young, Scott, Chloe, Wray, and possibly even Eli, since the B cast was a hell of a lot more interesting and there really wasn't much chemistry in the A cast to begin with.

 

[johnsheppard]

Young and Rush make SGU for me. Greer's also pretty awesome and, for me at least, they've proved more interesting than Teyla or Ronan ever did.

I admit these 2 characters are the best of sgu but certainely not better than Ronon and Teyla better developped.

 

[Overmind One]

Perhaps I need more info....

I never really found Teyla or Ronan compelling, nothing against people who like those characters but they just did nothing for me. I was just trying to show how Young, Rush and Greer (again imo) are more interesting than some of the older cast. The episode "Trial and Error" kind of shows why I like Young. While it might be a bit unbelievable that he had any kind of command position in his condition, his breakdown has been interesting.

Um...okay. Your opinions!

If I can suspend belief for Teal'c and Ronan suddenly joining top secret important teams, Sheppard being second in command despite only joining the expedition a few days before (and many other nitpicks across 15 seasons) I can do it here, especially if it means the characters have unexpected qualities. That scene in Pathogen (I think...) were Greer is asking for Chloe's forgiveness - its things like that keeping me attached to the show. I thought it was some great acting and gave a great sense of depth to his character.

REALITY CHECK: Sheppard was a Lt Colonel. No matter where he goes, he will be amongst the highest ranking officers (probably THE highest ranking officer) in the group. If Jack hadnt been at the Antarctic base on the opening episode, Sheppard would be the highest ranking officer on the entire base. Things like this are what prove to me that most of the SGU audience is unfamiliar with science, military and structured expeditions. I agree about the dramatic moment of Chloe and Greer in that holding cell...but then I am led (unfortunately) to how she got infected and the lame blue fish aliens and Greer starting this show out in jail (and we still dont know why). I guess possessing a fully functioning brain makes the show less enjoyable? Just sayin.

Universe isn't perfect and it has more than a few issues, but theres a lot going on there that's really compelling for me. It's not so clear cut as moving from a great characters (Atlantis) to shoddy ones (Universe), the former had more than its share of problems too. At the end of the day though, I enjoyed both.

Thats fair. TBH, I had three episodes I really liked in SGU, and I gave them positive reviews. I have seen EVERY episode of Stargate Universe, and those three I watched twice because I had to review them. I also liked The Greater Good to some degree. But overall, when I can only like 3-4 episodes out of 30, and when some of those episodes were so bad I could not watch them entirely (Life, Earth), I am forced to think of the episodes of SG-1 or SGA which were unwatchable. Im still looking.

 

[YoshiKart64]

Um...okay. Your opinions!

Oh yeh, I'm not saying that's a fact at all. Teyla and Ronan have large followings.

REALITY CHECK: Sheppard was a Lt Colonel. No matter where he goes, he will be amongst the highest ranking officers (probably THE highest ranking officer) in the group. If Jack hadnt been at the Antarctic base on the opening episode, Sheppard would be the highest ranking officer on the entire base. Things like this are what prove to me that most of the SGU audience is unfamiliar with science, military and structured expeditions. I agree about the dramatic moment of Chloe and Greer in that holding cell...but then I am led (unfortunately) to how she got infected and the lame blue fish aliens and Greer starting this show out in jail (and we still dont know why). I guess possessing a fully functioning brain makes the show less enjoyable? Just sayin.

He was a major in the first season though. My gripe was how he joined the expedition with Sumner not really knowing him and instantly became the second in command of the military. You'd think they'd already have another major or an established back up to Sumner already, someone who had been chosen months before like the others.

And yes Chloe as a character sucks, her whole storyline sucks and she is by far the worst part of the show. She's dragged Scott's story down with her too as he's actually quite good when in scenes with the rest of the cast. As for the blue fish aliens, well I like them. In saying that though I'm aware they've wasted a ton of CGI on "dream" appearances from them which could have been used to actually have them appear for real and develop their species etc. At the very least we should know more by now, an alien millions of light-years away is fascinating and they failed to capitalize when they had the budget to do so. As for Greer - he punched Telford and that's why he was locked up. S1 Telford was an arse though so I can support him in that, S2 Telford is all kinds of awesome though (he should have been like that from the start imo).

Thats fair. TBH, I had three episodes I really liked in SGU, and I gave them positive reviews. I have seen EVERY episode of Stargate Universe, and those three I watched twice because I had to review them. I also liked The Greater Good to some degree. But overall, when I can only like 3-4 episodes out of 30, and when some of those episodes were so bad I could not watch them entirely (Life, Earth), I am forced to think of the episodes of SG-1 or SGA which were unwatchable. Im still looking.

I didn't think Earth was too bad, maybe that's because I'm incredibly biased when O'Neill appears on screen though. He's my favorite character by a country mile. Life I enjoyed but I'll fully admit I thought it was an average episode of 'TV' and a terrible example of 'Stargate'.

Did you get through the Atlantis episode "Outsiders" in Season 5 btw? That for me was one of the worst things I've ever watched, I remember blaming the guest cast mostly for sucking way too much.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Did you get through the Atlantis episode "Outsiders" in Season 5 btw? That for me was one of the worst things I've ever watched, I remember blaming the guest cast mostly for sucking way too much.

Considering the intent/content of "outsiders" I'm actually suprised you didn't like it.

 

[ChromeToasterX]

Considering the intent/content of "outsiders" I'm actually suprised you didn't like it.

What was that one? I don't remember it at all.

 

[SerenityS]

Did you get through the Atlantis episode "Outsiders" in Season 5 btw? That for me was one of the worst things I've ever watched, I remember blaming the guest cast mostly for sucking way too much.

I don't remember Outsiders being particularly objectionable? (other than Teyla forgetting how to sense the Wraith), perhaps you are thinking of Brainstorm or Identity or Whispers?
;p

 

[Gatefan1976]

What was that one? I don't remember it at all.

Outsiders is the one when the wraith turn up on the planet and demand that the villagers turn over the people that have come from a world that has been infected with Michaels/hoffan retrovirus that kills the wraith when they feed.

 

[SerenityS]

Outsiders is the one when the wraith turn up on the planet and demand that the villagers turn over the people that have come from a world that has been infected with Michaels/hoffan retrovirus that kills the wraith when they feed.

I liked this ep. The scene with Beckett and McKay in the wraith jumper was a great one.

 

[Briangate78]

I liked this ep. The scene with Beckett and McKay in the wraith jumper was a great one.

Outsiders was a great episode. We got to see Carson being Carson, and not just a support for Keller. That line "Carson, it's not a volkswagon" had me on the floor laughing. Was just your classic SG kinda line. We also got to see more of Sheppard's darker side of his character emerge.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Outsiders was a great episode. We got to see Carson being Carson, and not just a support for Keller. That line "Carson, it's not a volkswagon" had me on the floor laughing. Was just your classic SG kinda line. We also got to see more of Sheppard's darker side of his character emerge.

What darkside? Sheppard didn't have a darkside, he was too busy munching popcorn and sliding through locked doors sideways to have a darkside.........:rononwhistle:

 

[SerenityS]

What darkside? Sheppard didn't have a darkside, he was too busy munching popcorn and sliding through locked doors sideways to have a darkside.........:rononwhistle:

I'll take Sheppard's dark side (ok, I'll take any side ) any day rather than the terminally depressing wannabe sides of the "dark and gritty" SGU characters.

 

[Mr. A]

I didn't think Earth was too bad, maybe that's because I'm incredibly biased when O'Neill appears on screen though. He's my favorite character by a country mile. Life I enjoyed but I'll fully admit I thought it was an average episode of 'TV' and a terrible example of 'Stargate'.

I might agree with you if the character O'Neill really had appeared on screen - but he didn't. RDA did and apparently he was playing another role...

 

[Overmind One]

Well put.

I might agree with you if the character O'Neill really had appeared on screen - but he didn't. RDA did and apparently he was playing another role...

I agree. It wasnt Jack. It was SGU's re-imagining of Jack, and he was only there to pump ratings for the show and for the episode. All appearances of former actors was done for that purpose, and the characters they played were not those we knew in SG-1 at all. Like the McKay and Sheppard of Vegas and the AU characters we have seen throughout Stargate, these were "almost there" characters, but werent the genuine article.

I wont get started on Daniel - Private Eye.

 

[YoshiKart64]

I agree. It wasnt Jack. It was SGU's re-imagining of Jack, and he was only there to pump ratings for the show and for the episode. All appearances of former actors was done for that purpose, and the characters they played were not those we knew in SG-1 at all. Like the McKay and Sheppard of Vegas and the AU characters we have seen throughout Stargate, these were "almost there" characters, but werent the genuine article.

I wont get started on Daniel - Private Eye.

I thought Jack seemed like Jack. To be honest it was nice to see him doing Homeworld Command stuff, we haven't actually seen him (or Hammond) doing that job till Universe. Carter and Daniel seems the same too in their short appearances, presumably Daniel was only chosen since Jack trusts him. Plus Daniel's objection towards sacrificing human life was very much in character.

 

[Tripler]

Agree with OM1 and Mr A . That was not the Jack that we knew . Every character on that show is hateful and spiteful and they all just gave me a bad taste in mouth, heart and soul . Super FAIL if there ever was one on character development !!!

 

[Overmind One]

I thought Jack seemed like Jack. To be honest it was nice to see him doing Homeworld Command stuff, we haven't actually seen him (or Hammond) doing that job till Universe. Carter and Daniel seems the same too in their short appearances, presumably Daniel was only chosen since Jack trusts him. Plus Daniel's objection towards sacrificing human life was very much in character.

How long did you watch SG-1? Did you see all the episodes in the 10 seasons? If so, I dont see how you could say that the Jack in SGU was the real Jack we came to know in SG-1. But if you see that Jack, its what you see...

 

[OMNI]

How long did you watch SG-1? Did you see all the episodes in the 10 seasons? If so, I dont see how you could say that the Jack in SGU was the real Jack we came to know in SG-1. But if you see that Jack, its what you see...

imo the scenes that featured Jack in sgu was way to short to give an impression on which jack is best and imo they were pretty much the same.

 

[Overmind One]

Hmmm....

imo the scenes that featured Jack in sgu was way to short to give an impression on which jack is best and imo they were pretty much the same.

The Jack I know didnt even like going through the stargate itself, let alone use communications stones which had previously malfunctioned. Why would he visit Destiny just to tell Telford something? He was slower, and he just didnt fit.

 

[OMNI]

The Jack I know didnt even like going through the stargate itself, let alone use communications stones which had previously malfunctioned. Why would he visit Destiny just to tell Telford something? He was slower, and he just didnt fit.

well i can agree that he didnt fit ontu SGU and his caracter was delibretly made fun of in that scene were he jokes and tellford and young give him looks.. id bet my gonads that whole thing was intentional to belittle SG1 and original SG.

and as the scenes were so short it isnt really something i noticed as OOC as to me he was himself but the character he was playing doesnt fit into SGU as SGU took (past tense) itself waaaaaaaaaay to seriously so serious that it just ended up ridiculous..

oh and the jack Ive gotten to know threw the years LOVED the gate and hated command.. so i dont see where you got that from?
remeber his interaction with sheppard in SGA: Rising?

oneill: why'd you become a pilot?
sheppard: i think people who dont want to fly are crazy..
oneill: well i think people who dont want to go through the stargate are equally as whacked!

that is the jack i know.