It has a name: Star Trek: Into Darkness.

[Bluce Ree]

They pretty much did.

Is that when he devolves/evolves??


Will have to check




Isn't that relative?


It Exists below, yes, but hyperspace is often seen as a whole different kettle of fish. IE, subspace and realspace can co-exist in the same area, hyperspace is a totally different box of dice.

Multiple dimensions all occupy the same space, including hyperspace. It occupies all points in 3-dimensional space, just not in a 3-dimensional manner.

"Below" is a descriptive term they used to explain where subspace exists, it doesn't actually mean it's "below" anything. They've also said that travel through subspace is faster than our space, which is why it's used for communications. Sending a signal through regular space would take exponential amounts of time.

That begs another question. If they can communicate through subspace, why can't they transport through it as well?

 

[Gatefan1976]

Multiple dimensions all occupy the same space, including hyperspace. It occupies all points in 3-dimensional space, just not in a 3-dimensional manner.

Unless they are parallel dimensions.

"Below" is a descriptive term they used to explain where subspace exists, it doesn't actually mean it's "below" anything. They've also said that travel through subspace is faster than our space, which is why it's used for communications.

Yes, but subspace is still within our "established paramaters" of up, down, left, right, above, below.

Sending a signal through regular space would take exponential amounts of time.

Yup, it's sending FTL signals inside our own dimension without breaking rules.

That begs another question. If they can communicate through subspace, why can't they transport through it as well?

That would be transwarp kinda stuff wouldn't it??

 

[Bluce Ree]

Unless they are parallel dimensions.

You're talking about parallel universes. Not the same thing. Parallel dimensions have to do with the exact same space existing simultaneously in separate realities.

Yes, but subspace is still within our "established paramaters" of up, down, left, right, above, below.

If it were, travel through subspace would be exactly like travel through real space. The whole thing is a very vague Roddenberry creation for the purpose of making instantaneous communications over vast distances possible.

Yup, it's sending FTL signals inside our own dimension without breaking rules.

Not exactly. It's leaving and re-entering our dimension. Subspace is not our space nor is it a parallel universe as it would still be subject to 3-dimensional physics.

That would be transwarp kinda stuff wouldn't it??

Why? They are sending signals through subspace. A transport beam is a type of signal carrying energy.

 

[Gatefan1976]

You're talking about parallel universes. Not the same thing. Parallel dimensions have to do with the exact same space existing simultaneously in separate realities.

Quite right, my bad.

If it were, travel through subspace would be exactly like travel through real space. The whole thing is a very vague Roddenberry creation for the purpose of making instantaneous communications over vast distances possible.

Not quite instant, they set up subspace beacons and such to "recharge" the signal, which is why they had to set up a whole program to contact voyager.

Not exactly. It's leaving and re-entering our dimension. Subspace is not our space nor is it a parallel universe as it would still be subject to 3-dimensional physics.

Why?

Why? They are sending signals through subspace. A transport beam is a type of signal carrying energy.

Isn't everything just an energy pattern?

 

[Bluce Ree]

Quite right, my bad.

Not quite instant, they set up subspace beacons and such to "recharge" the signal, which is why they had to set up a whole program to contact voyager.

Why?

Because shit travels faster in subspace, implying its dimensions are not the same.

Isn't everything just an energy pattern?

Fax an apple to OMNI and ask him if it tastes good when he receives it.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Because shit travels faster in subspace, implying its dimensions are not the same.

It's dimensions, or laws?

Fax an apple to OMNI and ask him if it tastes good when he receives it.

Why not use a replicator?

 

[Bluce Ree]

It's dimensions, or laws?

They tend to go hand in hand.

Why not use a replicator?

Because you said everything is an energy pattern and we don't have replicators.

 

[Gatefan1976]

They tend to go hand in hand.

From our current understanding, perhaps.

Because you said everything is an energy pattern and we don't have replicators.

We don't have warp drive either.

All I am applying is the physics notion of conservation of energy.

 

[Bluce Ree]

From our current understanding, perhaps.


We don't have warp drive either.

All I am applying is the physics notion of conservation of energy.

Huh? Now wtf are you talking about?

 

[Gatefan1976]

Huh? Now wtf are you talking about?

Same thing you are dude.

 

[OMNI]

I know I am gonna get slapped by OMNI for this, but.........
JJ's trek is suffering from the same thing SGA suffered from, the casting is good, it's what they do with the characters that blows

huh? why?

 

[OMNI]

The Final Frontier was the absolute worst. The Enterprise was able to fly 25,000 light years to the galactic center in a very short period, completely ignoring all the scientific canon they established about warp drive speeds. If they had that kind of speed 100 years prior to Voyager, what the hell happened during Voyager's era?!?

warp 10, transwarp barrier all that jazz, but ffs TOS can harldy be taken serious in anyway considering how many times theyve said one thing only to disregard it entirely further down the line, i am convinced every season off all trek ever made has atlest 1 of those moments if not several, and there are way to many trekkie fanboi BS explinations and theories as to why so PLEASE dont pull one out yer ass.

 

[OMNI]

Even in TNG, there was an episode (not sure which) where it is in the future and Doctor Crusher is a captain of a science vessel, and there was a Captain Riker in command of the Enterprise now sporting three nacelles. They all casually talk about going to Warp 15. Also, what exactly is transwarp anyway? At what threshhold does transwarp happen? This has not been adequately explained. But this is the tragedy of NuTrek. They no longer bother to explain. Just command NuSulu to use that fancy stick shift warp lever and "punch it" to Warp 947.

wasnt he highest warp factor mentioned in TOS said to be over 30? i also remember something about warp 16 not 15. and the transwarp barrier is warp factor 10 theoretically "infinite velocity"

 

[OMNI]

Yeah, one broken rule doesn't mean they broke all the other rules.



Threshold.



The Delta Flyer occupied all points in space at once. They go so far as to explain this quite clearly and we even see Paris looking out the viewport in awe as he sees everything everywhere for a moment.




They make absolutely no sense. You can't have a hyperspace conduit. The very phrase suggests shoving 5-dimensional space into a 3-dimensional space. It's as silly as saying your house's interior occupies a flat area of 8000 sq ft while the outside only occupies 1500 sq ft. Only Doctor Who can get away with that bullshit.

Subspace *is* another dimension, though they are vague as to what it really is. It exists "below" (as they describe it) our space.

Delta Flyer? you are confused or you must be as they hadnt built the Delta yet at that Point in the series the shuttle that paris broke the transwarp barrier in was a normal/tweaked shuttle that if i recall right bore the name "Cochrane".

 

[OMNI]

Yeah, one broken rule doesn't mean they broke all the other rules.



Threshold.



The Delta Flyer occupied all points in space at once. They go so far as to explain this quite clearly and we even see Paris looking out the viewport in awe as he sees everything everywhere for a moment.




They make absolutely no sense. You can't have a hyperspace conduit. The very phrase suggests shoving 5-dimensional space into a 3-dimensional space. It's as silly as saying your house's interior occupies a flat area of 8000 sq ft while the outside only occupies 1500 sq ft. Only Doctor Who can get away with that bullshit.

Subspace *is* another dimension, though they are vague as to what it really is. It exists "below" (as they describe it) our space.

it did not as they only recived date from the shuttles memory banks covering a large part of the delta quadrant NOT the entire universe.

 

[OMNI]

fook i just realized... ive said to much...


Computer! inititate self destruct sequence! Alx1 epsilon alpha tau, sigma eta iota tau, alpha nu delta. delta iota epsilon, ENGAGE!

 

[Bluce Ree]

it did not as they only recived date from the shuttles memory banks covering a large part of the delta quadrant NOT the entire universe.

Their on board computer couldn't record the entire universe even if they wanted to.

 

[OMNI]

Their on board computer couldn't record the entire universe even if they wanted to.

fair point i supose however i am basing m statement on the dialog in the episode.

 

[Bluce Ree]

fook i just realized... ive said to much...


Computer! inititate self destruct sequence! Alx1 epsilon alpha tau, sigma eta iota tau, alpha nu delta. delta iota epsilon, ENGAGE!

Unauthorized access. Command codes deleted. Initiating forcefield. Subject has been contained within the zone of banality until an officer authorizes release or the subject expires from boredom and insanity.



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[OMNI]

Unauthorized access. Command codes deleted. Initiating forcefield. Subject has been contained within the zone of banality until an officer authorizes release or the subject expires from boredom and insanity.



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so season 2 of ST:ENT is what ill be watching then eh?....