It has a name: Star Trek: Into Darkness.

[Gatefan1976]

All the more reason to kill this whole nuTrek and get back to the original line (like with the SG film) and give me CPT WORF dang it!

I know I am gonna get slapped by OMNI for this, but.........
JJ's trek is suffering from the same thing SGA suffered from, the casting is good, it's what they do with the characters that blows

 

[Overmind One]

I know I am gonna get slapped by OMNI for this, but.........
JJ's trek is suffering from the same thing SGA suffered from, the casting is good, it's what they do with the characters that blows

I think OMNI is with you on this too. I sure am.

 

[Backstep]

I know I am gonna get slapped by OMNI for this, but.........
JJ's trek is suffering from the same thing SGA suffered from, the casting is good, it's what they do with the characters that blows

IMO NuTrek is using the WOW factor to euw and awe with SFX, while giving no substance in the writing or story or plot line.

 

[Gatefan1976]

IMO NuTrek is using the WOW factor to euw and awe with SFX, while giving no substance in the writing or story or plot line.

For sure, its a action flick, and that's fine, action flicks are fun, mindless eye candy.

HOWEVER..........

Scifi fans want more, Especially Star Trek fans.

 

[Backstep]

For sure, its a action flick, and that's fine, action flicks are fun, mindless eye candy.

HOWEVER..........

Scifi fans want more, Especially Star Trek fans.

So true!

A diet of nothing but candy does rot your teeth, does mindless eye candy rot your brain?

Call me old fashioned, but I rather have a story and plot that pushes my mind and stimulates my imagination, while remaining in the realm of possibility.

 

[Atlantis]

In my opinion, Voyage Home was the worst star trek movie I ever watched.

I wouldn't call Into Darkness the worst but it wasn't star trek.

 

[Bluce Ree]

The Final Frontier was the absolute worst. The Enterprise was able to fly 25,000 light years to the galactic center in a very short period, completely ignoring all the scientific canon they established about warp drive speeds. If they had that kind of speed 100 years prior to Voyager, what the hell happened during Voyager's era?!?

 

[Overmind One]

The Final Frontier was the absolute worst. The Enterprise was able to fly 25,000 light years to the galactic center in a very short period, completely ignoring all the scientific canon they established about warp drive speeds. If they had that kind of speed 100 years prior to Voyager, what the hell happened during Voyager's era?!?

Yep, fans always find the holes...but such scrutiny is partially what made Trek what it has become. A loyal (and well educated and highly knowledgeable) fanbase which includes many Heads of State and Nobel Prize winners in the sciences. The willingness of the producers/writers of Star Trek, under the supervision of Paramount, to change and adjust Trek according to science has been a part of the franchise since TOS. Even the fictional tech had rules it had to follow. There had to be limitations based in hard science (ie, you could not have a briefcase sized transporter with the capability of beaming from earth to Quo'nos in another solar system unless you had an appropriate power supply to power the device). Transwarp beaming kills a huge part of Trek in the interest of making cheap plot devices to use. Transwarp beaming is the Communications Stones (SGU) of Trek.

 

[Gatefan1976]

The Final Frontier was the absolute worst. The Enterprise was able to fly 25,000 light years to the galactic center in a very short period, completely ignoring all the scientific canon they established about warp drive speeds. If they had that kind of speed 100 years prior to Voyager, what the hell happened during Voyager's era?!?

Warp 10 as an absolute max was not in use until TNG era, before then there are heaps of speed inconsistancies in Trek. To go faster you have to use non-standard warp tech such as transwarp conduits.

 

[Overmind One]

Warp 10 as an absolute max was not in use until TNG era, before then there are heaps of speed inconsistancies in Trek. To go faster you have to use non-standard warp tech such as transwarp conduits.

Even in TNG, there was an episode (not sure which) where it is in the future and Doctor Crusher is a captain of a science vessel, and there was a Captain Riker in command of the Enterprise now sporting three nacelles. They all casually talk about going to Warp 15. Also, what exactly is transwarp anyway? At what threshhold does transwarp happen? This has not been adequately explained. But this is the tragedy of NuTrek. They no longer bother to explain. Just command NuSulu to use that fancy stick shift warp lever and "punch it" to Warp 947.

 

[Bluce Ree]

Warp 10 as an absolute max was not in use until TNG era, before then there are heaps of speed inconsistancies in Trek. To go faster you have to use non-standard warp tech such as transwarp conduits.

In Voyager, they explained transwarp as occupying all points in space at once. So, transwarp is actually hyperspace. The notion then of transwarp conduits makes absolutely no sense.

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[Bluce Ree]

Even in TNG, there was an episode (not sure which) where it is in the future and Doctor Crusher is a captain of a science vessel, and there was a Captain Riker in command of the Enterprise now sporting three nacelles. They all casually talk about going to Warp 15. Also, what exactly is transwarp anyway? At what threshhold does transwarp happen? This has not been adequately explained. But this is the tragedy of NuTrek. They no longer bother to explain. Just command NuSulu to use that fancy stick shift warp lever and "punch it" to Warp 947.

Admiral Riker. He had the enterprise refit, which he called one of the perks of being admiral.

Why is there a physical lever for warp in NuTrek??

Goddammit.

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[Overmind One]

Admiral Riker. He had the enterprise refit, which he called one of the perks of being admiral.

Why is there a physical lever for warp in NuTrek??

Goddammit.

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There was on the bridge in Star Trek the Motion Picture, but fans made them remove it in later movies. .

 

[Overmind One]

In my opinion, Voyage Home was the worst star trek movie I ever watched.

I wouldn't call Into Darkness the worst but it wasn't star trek.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Even in TNG, there was an episode (not sure which) where it is in the future and Doctor Crusher is a captain of a science vessel, and there was a Captain Riker in command of the Enterprise now sporting three nacelles. They all casually talk about going to Warp 15. Also, what exactly is transwarp anyway? At what threshhold does transwarp happen? This has not been adequately explained. But this is the tragedy of NuTrek. They no longer bother to explain. Just command NuSulu to use that fancy stick shift warp lever and "punch it" to Warp 947.

That's from "all good things" the finale for TNG, so they prolly went a bit silly as the whole premise of AGT was "breaking boundaries".
That one I forgive them for because of that premise.
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In Voyager, they explained transwarp as occupying all points in space at once. So, transwarp is actually hyperspace. The notion then of transwarp conduits makes absolutely no sense.

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You sure bro??
Warp 10 is supposed to be "classic hyperspace" as we talked about before, warp conduits are a way to exist in our dimension and exceed the theoretical maximums of warp 9.999999999999999999999 etc etc without breaching a dimensional threshold.

 

[Bluce Ree]

That's from "all good things" the finale for TNG, so they prolly went a bit silly as the whole premise of AGT was "breaking boundaries".
That one I forgive them for because of that premise.
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You sure bro??
Warp 10 is supposed to be "classic hyperspace" as we talked about before, warp conduits are a way to exist in our dimension and exceed the theoretical maximums of warp 9.999999999999999999999 etc etc without breaching a dimensional threshold.

It was then it wasn't. In "All Good Things" the medical ship was capable of warp 13 and the refitted enterprise of warp 15.

Warp conduits make no sense. Hyperspace involves no lengthy travel time. When they tested transwarp on the Delta flyer it occupied all points in space. Rewatch the ep. It was the first time I saw hyperspace being referenced per the theory. Transwarp conduits are more like tunnels and their very existenxe made absolutely no sense. They seemed more like subspace conduits.

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[Overmind One]

It was then it wasn't. In "All Good Things" the medical ship was capable of warp 13 and the refitted enterprise of warp 15.

Warp conduits make no sense. Hyperspace involves no lengthy travel time. When they tested transwarp on the Delta flyer it occupied all points in space. Rewatch the ep. It was the first time I saw hyperspace being referenced per the theory. Transwarp conduits are more like tunnels and their very existence made absolutely no sense. They seemed more like subspace conduits.

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I completely concur. You dont need a conduit for hyperspace or for warp speed. And they did show them as conduits, even being to collapse them. See, its this sort of discussion that will no longer be considered by producers if we make this into an Abrams/Bay-esque action franchise like Avengers or Transformers. This is TREK. It deserves better. Save the magical tech for Star wars.

 

[Gatefan1976]

It was then it wasn't. In "All Good Things" the medical ship was capable of warp 13 and the refitted enterprise of warp 15.

Yes, and no 3 tachyon bursts from 3 separate time/spaces could ever interact in the "real world"
The whole episode is based on breaking rules.

Warp conduits make no sense.

Yes, they do

Hyperspace involves no lengthy travel time. When they tested transwarp on the Delta flyer it occupied all points in space. Rewatch the ep.

Do you have an ep reference? I have em here, but it's been a bit since I have watched VOY

It was the first time I saw hyperspace being referenced per the theory.

Again, not sure.

Transwarp conduits are more like tunnels and their very existenxe made absolutely no sense. They seemed more like subspace conduits.

Well.............
They *are* more like subspace conduits. the main issue is going at obscene speeds without the need to cross into another dimension, and tunnels make sense in that regard.[/quote]
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I completely concur. You dont need a conduit for hyperspace or for warp speed. And they did show them as conduits, even being to collapse them. See, its this sort of discussion that will no longer be considered by producers if we make this into an Abrams/Bay-esque action franchise like Avengers or Transformers. This is TREK. It deserves better. Save the magical tech for Star wars.

WTF???
Of course you don't need a conduit, it exists to create an "exception" to the rules.

As for this kind of discussion, yes, I concur, it won't happen anymore, and scifi is all the poorer for it

 

[Bluce Ree]

Yes, and no 3 tachyon bursts from 3 separate time/spaces could ever interact in the "real world"
The whole episode is based on breaking rules.

Yeah, one broken rule doesn't mean they broke all the other rules.

Yes, they do

Do you have an ep reference? I have em here, but it's been a bit since I have watched VOY

Threshold.

Again, not sure.

The Delta Flyer occupied all points in space at once. They go so far as to explain this quite clearly and we even see Paris looking out the viewport in awe as he sees everything everywhere for a moment.

Well.............
They *are* more like subspace conduits. the main issue is going at obscene speeds without the need to cross into another dimension, and tunnels make sense in that regard.

They make absolutely no sense. You can't have a hyperspace conduit. The very phrase suggests shoving 5-dimensional space into a 3-dimensional space. It's as silly as saying your house's interior occupies a flat area of 8000 sq ft while the outside only occupies 1500 sq ft. Only Doctor Who can get away with that bullshit.

Subspace *is* another dimension, though they are vague as to what it really is. It exists "below" (as they describe it) our space.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Yeah, one broken rule doesn't mean they broke all the other rules.

They pretty much did.

Threshold.

Is that when he devolves/evolves??

The Delta Flyer occupied all points in space at once. They go so far as to explain this quite clearly and we even see Paris looking out the viewport in awe as he sees everything everywhere for a moment.

Will have to check

They make absolutely no sense. You can't have a hyperspace conduit. The very phrase suggests shoving 5-dimensional space into a 3-dimensional space. It's as silly as saying your house's interior occupies a flat area of 8000 sq ft while the outside only occupies 1500 sq ft. Only Doctor Who can get away with that bullshit.

Isn't that relative?

Subspace *is* another dimension, though they are vague as to what it really is. It exists "below" (as they describe it) our space.

It Exists below, yes, but hyperspace is often seen as a whole different kettle of fish. IE, subspace and realspace can co-exist in the same area, hyperspace is a totally different box of dice.