It has a name: Star Trek: Into Darkness.

shavedape

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shavedape

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In the TOS, Spock was not depicted as a romantic being. Why now?

Ah, I see what you're getting at. I thought you were commenting on Zachary Quinto's screamingly open homosexuality. ;)

As for Spock and women, yes, that is a good question. I'm thinking Abrams wanted the character to struggle with his human half more so than the earlier Spock did. No doubt it's part of the "Let's make everyone a teenager" trend that is happening in movies and TV shows now.

I like Uhura but I think it's dumb to hook her up with Spock. It's way too blatant of an attempt at teen angst drama. The writers probably think the relationship will illicit a lot of "oohs!" but really I think most people just roll their eyes and are bored with it.

Spock isn't a player, everyone knows that, which is why this new iteration of the character works until they get to the romantic scenes with him. I don't care if this is "new canon" Spock. It doesn't work, period.
 

YJ02

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YEAH!

Now the burning question, will NuKirk be screaming the name Johnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn with a cliched fist as the name echoes across the fiery bulkheads?

right-how is that going to work? boring

and-from the (quick) look at them, it seems Abrams' klingons may be as silly as his romulans-looks like a bunch of leather clad dudes from Sturgis
 

Overmind One

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right-how is that going to work? boring

and-from the (quick) look at them, it seems Abrams' klingons may be as silly as his romulans-looks like a bunch of leather clad dudes from Sturgis

I havent seen them...did he change their physical look? Ridges? Pics if you have them!
 

Overmind One

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WHEW...I thought he might have taken a radical change in their look. I dont like the contacts or that silly helmet, but at least he kept the ridges and the dark skin tone.
 

Joelist

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It's basically a takeoff on the TNG Klingon look with a bit more TOS look to the attire. I like the idea of them wearing helmets.

As to Spock and women, actually in TOS there were a couple of other instances aside from Amok Time where his human side came out more and he displayed romantic feelings. Plus remember that the Spock in this movie and the 09 one is younger than even the TOS Spock as in timeline terms we are pretty much right after the original Enterprise entered service, so this Spock is around 20 years younger.
 

Overmind One

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It's basically a takeoff on the TNG Klingon look with a bit more TOS look to the attire. I like the idea of them wearing helmets.

As to Spock and women, actually in TOS there were a couple of other instances aside from Amok Time where his human side came out more and he displayed romantic feelings. Plus remember that the Spock in this movie and the 09 one is younger than even the TOS Spock as in timeline terms we are pretty much right after the original Enterprise entered service, so this Spock is around 20 years younger.

I think the biggest misstep they made in the character lineup is Chekov. Too young, too Russian (almost a caricature), too blond. Later there is supposed to be friendhip between him and Sulu. I like the way they did the rest of them. :)
 

Bluce Ree

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I think the biggest misstep they made in the character lineup is Chekov. Too young, too Russian (almost a caricature), too blond. Later there is supposed to be friendhip between him and Sulu. I like the way they did the rest of them. :)

Or not Russian enough. They screwed that up, too. Russians pronounce "W" as "V", not the other way around. In fact, the letter "B" in Russian has the "V" sound.
 

Overmind One

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Or not Russian enough. They screwed that up, too. Russians pronounce "W" as "V", not the other way around. In fact, the letter "B" in Russian has the "V" sound.

All of that. He is just not Chekov. They got the others right, and Uhura is much MUCH more sophisticated than the original which is good. Dr McCoy they got perfect, and Scotty worked out very very well. Sulu and Chekov were departures, but the new Sulu works well even though he is Korean and not Japanese. Of course, Kirk and Spock are perfect. :)
 

Jim of WVa

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It's basically a takeoff on the TNG Klingon look with a bit more TOS look to the attire. I like the idea of them wearing helmets.

As to Spock and women, actually in TOS there were a couple of other instances aside from Amok Time where his human side came out more and he displayed romantic feelings. Plus remember that the Spock in this movie and the 09 one is younger than even the TOS Spock as in timeline terms we are pretty much right after the original Enterprise entered service, so this Spock is around 20 years younger.

On Voyager, Tuvok said that Vulcan sexual desire increases with age.
 

Bluce Ree

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All of that. He is just not Chekov. They got the others right, and Uhura is much MUCH more sophisticated than the original which is good. Dr McCoy they got perfect, and Scotty worked out very very well. Sulu and Chekov were departures, but the new Sulu works well even though he is Korean and not Japanese. Of course, Kirk and Spock are perfect. :)

Absolutely agree! It's almost like Abrams figured "Nah, too perfect. Let me screw it up a little by casting Chekov as a pseudo-Russian post-pubescent teen with a completely invented accent"
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On Voyager, Tuvok said that Vulcan sexual desire increases with age.

That happens with some of us humans as well. :icon_lol:
 

Overmind One

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Absolutely agree! It's almost like Abrams figured "Nah, too perfect. Let me screw it up a little by casting Chekov as a pseudo-Russian post-pubescent teen with a completely invented accent"
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That happens with some of us humans as well. :icon_lol:

What were they thinking? The original Pavel Chekhov was more than his accent. He was the analog of the Russian from the Cold War era who thought that Russia invented everything. But that dynamic no longer exists, so they could have made him a bit of an activist like Pavel in TOS was. And he needed to be a brunette and not a blond. He looks like a kid in this movie. I wonder if Kirk will have to spank him? :anim_59:
 

Joelist

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I agree they missed on Chekov - oh well. They got every other character right so missing on one minor one is not a big deal.
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Absolutely agree! It's almost like Abrams figured "Nah, too perfect. Let me screw it up a little by casting Chekov as a pseudo-Russian post-pubescent teen with a completely invented accent"
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It's just as likely that casting was unable to give them an actor who really could recreate the character so they made do with Yelchin.
 

Overmind One

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Aw hell...he DID ruin the Klingons:

Klingons.jpeg


What is with those Klingon weapons? Klingons like knives and blades more than energy weapons. :( Why the silly gladiator uniforms? OMG, if he changed the Klingon warbirds into spiky tumbleweed looking monstrosities, Im done with New Trek. :facepalm:
 

Bluce Ree

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Aw hell...he DID ruin the Klingons:

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What is with those Klingon weapons? Klingons like knives and blades more than energy weapons. :( Why the silly gladiator uniforms? OMG, id he changed the Klingon warbirds into spiky tumbleweed looking monstrosities, Im done with New Trek. :facepalm:

What the hell? Mucking up the timeline after Kirk's birth wouldn't mutate an entire race of aliens or completely alter their culture like that. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
 
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