DEFIANCE game and TV show - sink or swim?

[shavedape]

perhaps they are just writing for themselves (?)

and

perhaps that is showing in the ratings?

I thought that the younger demographic would like this, but apparently they are not much amused either.

I honestly think there's a writer on staff who thinks he/she is being really clever and cutting edge by coming up with the whole incest-bathing thing. They actually think that they will titillate people and get tongues wagging to the point that people will tune in out of prurient curiosity. This person (or persons) has seen how sex "sells" on shows like Spartacus and Game of Thrones and they ineptly write what amounts to derivative tripe. It's rather sad actually and exposes just how amateurish these writers are.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I honestly think there's a writer on staff who thinks he/she is being really clever and cutting edge by coming up with the whole incest-bathing thing. They actually think that they will titillate people and get tongues wagging to the point that people will tune in out of prurient curiosity. This person (or persons) has seen how sex "sells" on shows like Spartacus and Game of Thrones and they ineptly write what amounts to derivative tripe. It's rather sad actually and exposes just how amateurish these writers are.

Success!

 

[Overmind One]

I honestly think there's a writer on staff who thinks he/she is being really clever and cutting edge by coming up with the whole incest-bathing thing. They actually think that they will titillate people and get tongues wagging to the point that people will tune in out of prurient curiosity. This person (or persons) has seen how sex "sells" on shows like Spartacus and Game of Thrones and they ineptly write what amounts to derivative tripe. It's rather sad actually and exposes just how amateurish these writers are.

The entire show is derivative of other shows. There is NOTHING new in Defiance, except that the game associated with it is concurrent with the show. Other shows have had games too. Even the silly "shtako" thing is supposed to have caught on like "frak". The incest thing is just....there is some weirdo on the writing staff. Maybe more than one.

 

[ParagonPie]

Rather lucky that this alien species has also developed the exact same sexual organs as humans in both male and female anatomy. For all we know that could just be an extra pair of lips used to play lightly fluted musical instruments (the alien males anatomy being said musical instrument). So if you hear a trumpet sound during one these 'sex scenes' they are actually trying to play the following.


I totally called it.

 

[Backstep]

I honestly think there's a writer on staff who thinks he/she is being really clever and cutting edge by coming up with the whole incest-bathing thing. They actually think that they will titillate people and get tongues wagging to the point that people will tune in out of prurient curiosity. This person (or persons) has seen how sex "sells" on shows like Spartacus and Game of Thrones and they ineptly write what amounts to derivative tripe. It's rather sad actually and exposes just how amateurish these writers are.

These producers should take a clue from Max Headroom, Go porn early.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Defiance writers room?

 

[YJ02]

The entire show is derivative of other shows. There is NOTHING new in Defiance, except that the game associated with it is concurrent with the show. Other shows have had games too. Even the silly "shtako" thing is supposed to have caught on like "frak". The incest thing is just....there is some weirdo on the writing staff. Maybe more than one.

Man, I said that like forever ago

Get your shtako together and wake the frak up!

Silly and cliche enough for you?

 

[Gatefan1976]

Frell off.

 

[Bluce Ree]

Frell off.

Finally! A Farscape idiom instead of that tired worn out bullshit from Ron Less's Battlestar Garbage.

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[Gatefan1976]

I aim to please

 

[heisenberg]

I honestly think there's a writer on staff who thinks he/she is being really clever and cutting edge by coming up with the whole incest-bathing thing. They actually think that they will titillate people and get tongues wagging to the point that people will tune in out of prurient curiosity. This person (or persons) has seen how sex "sells" on shows like Spartacus and Game of Thrones and they ineptly write what amounts to derivative tripe. It's rather sad actually and exposes just how amateurish these writers are.

Porn is what sells and will continue to sell no matter where you go.It's cheap but very effective in bringing a large number of audience to watch your show.

You don't need to look far for that.Women deny this but shows like vampire diaries/true blood and all that nonsense are just being watched because of porn/sex scenes.

Writes also try to sneak in their religious views in a show too.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Porn is what sells and will continue to sell no matter where you go.It's cheap but very effective in bringing a large number of audience to watch your show.

I disagree dude.
Look at stuff like the Syfy forums and listen to the puritans whine about a bit of T&A in their "family friendly" sci fi shows

You don't need to look far for that.Women deny this but shows like vampire diaries/true blood and all that nonsense are just being watched because of porn/sex scenes.

The sex in TB almost turned me off the show (esp in S1) but I put up with it for the good writing. Now 5 seasons in the writing has all but gone to hell. (well, that started in S4, but you know what I mean)

Writes also try to sneak in their religious views in a show too.

You will never get rid of either religion or politics dude, cause even if you don't even talk about them, people will talk about you not talking about it

 

[Overmind One]

WTF did I just watch? Episode 7 just cemented what this show is...a very bad soap opera. Episode 7 was just a trainwreck of writing. So, redhead alien gal (what is her name?) has a vision of seeing Sukko (however you say and spell it) dying in "razor rain", we have an upcoming "bathing ritual" which involves nakedness and beads and the Deejay alien dude who is just lifted straight from Jersey Shore, and old lady actress threatening to bring heat on Native American mining dude...sweet and sour Jesus in a Speedo what the hell is going on here?

This show is amazingly bad. I was sitting there trying to figure out the continuing thing with the deejay alien dude in the arch playing vinyl records and suddenly the silly story starts with the Sukko dude coming back to life. He talks about the path of Irza or whatever the Itathians god's name was. Im really bad with the names of these aliens and also the characters except Nolan. Anyway, the silly concept of "razor rain" was already grating me, and then they hit me with this "nanites used his body to save the earth"...Arc Brain? So, the nanites made him say that the path was through Sukko and they also made him dress in that ridiculous outfit? WHY would nanites do this? It was the worst deus ex machina I have ever seen. . Strangely, the rather titillating scene between the whorehouse girl and the pale gangster's wife was sorta hot in the way they built it up...and in such a short time. That would have been good enough, until you suddenly realize that it was thrown in as a cheap thrill to an otherwise convoluted and soapy installment of utter shtako.

Why does Nolan drive a Dodge Charger?

Are people REALLY that easy? Like...they already claim they are doing something "transmedia" with the game going along with the show, but the Dodge Charger has actually been written into the show as Defiance canon? This is not a show...its products-as-fiction. Advert Drama....that is new indeed. And most disturbing.

I hate this stupid ass show. OMG. But I will watch every episode.

 

[Gatefan1976]

I think the *Original* looks better.

 

[Overmind One]

I think the *Original* looks better.

This show is like the vision of the future from somebody too old to understand the present. Its like they think that simply finding new "hip" ways to advertize will sell products that some people just don't want.....but wait. Perhaps ventures like Defiance are worth it to advertisers? It has sold games, and evidently it is selling the Charger as well.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/dodge-charger-sales-figures.html

 

[Gatefan1976]

Never underestimate the power of sales and marketing dude

 

[Overmind One]

Never underestimate the power of sales and marketing dude

How could I? Somebody sold a whole bunch of people some books which are still best sellers today! They have a complete set of well known characters, have magical powers and are immortal. There are even churches and temples built for them! Oh, the fan fiction in the form of people claiming to have actually seen them in pita bread and pancakes...and the fandom includes BILLIONS of people! Facebook is outdone.

I am more disturbed that the infomercial has segued into shows. But if you have Netflix, you can find more than a few thing in there which are unabashed fiction pushing religious beliefs or products. Defiance is literally a vehicle for selling games and products. The story is missing because it does not need one...it just needs to be seen by enough truly easy dummies with money to spend.

 

[Gatefan1976]

How could I? Somebody sold a whole bunch of people some books which are still best sellers today! They have a complete set of well known characters, have magical powers and are immortal. There are even churches and temples built for them! Oh, the fan fiction in the form of people claiming to have actually seen them in pita bread and pancakes...and the fandom includes BILLIONS of people! Facebook is outdone.

Even better, they gave it away
(they sold the indulgences though )

I am more disturbed that the infomercial has segued into shows. But if you have Netflix, you can find more than a few thing in there which are unabashed fiction pushing religious beliefs or products. Defiance is literally a vehicle for selling games and products. The story is missing because it does not need one...it just needs to be seen by enough truly easy dummies with money to spend.

It's been happening for years bro

 

[heisenberg]

I disagree dude.
Look at stuff like the Syfy forums and listen to the puritans whine about a bit of T&A in their "family friendly" sci fi shows


The sex in TB almost turned me off the show (esp in S1) but I put up with it for the good writing. Now 5 seasons in the writing has all but gone to hell. (well, that started in S4, but you know what I mean)

You will never get rid of either religion or politics dude, cause even if you don't even talk about them, people will talk about you not talking about it

I realize nerds are against it but this show is trying to create an illusion. That illusion being that it's trying to attract hardcore sci-fi fans but in reality this show is about attracting the general public, who care very little about story but just want some onscreen action.

Trust me, put a pair of boobs on tv, and see how many will watch. To me, sex as a theme just seems out of place in science fiction movies or tv shows for that matter. Leave that crap for daytime soap-opera please.

The ones that are complaining on the syfy forum are science fiction fans that don't like to see boobs when they watch science fiction and they have every right to question the content that syfy puts out.

 

[Gatefan1976]

I realize nerds are against it but this show is trying to create an illusion. That illusion being that it's trying to attract hardcore sci-fi fans but in reality this show is about attracting the general public, who care very little about story but just want some onscreen action.

Sure, I agree with you.

Trust me, put a pair of boobs on tv, and see how many will watch. To me, sex as a theme just seems out of place in science fiction movies or tv shows for that matter. Leave that crap for daytime soap-opera please.

Why do you feel this way?

The ones that are complaining on the syfy forum are science fiction fans that don't like to see boobs when they watch science fiction and they have every right to question the content that syfy puts out.

Of course they do.