Rac80
The Belle of the Ball
ditto my nemesis!
Wright blames fans... and so it begins
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SerenityS
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Agreed!
Illiterati
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Along the idea that Carlyle is a stellar actor...
It doesn't matter if you have ONE stellar actor in your cast. If the rest can't act their way through something as relatively simple as a radio show (because of lack of visual staging but having the luxury of the script in front of your face), your production is going to SUCK.
It doesn't matter if you have ONE stellar actor in your cast. If the rest can't act their way through something as relatively simple as a radio show (because of lack of visual staging but having the luxury of the script in front of your face), your production is going to SUCK.
SG-Rocks
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In Other Words Cancel The Turkey?
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Not me.
I wish we could sign up more of these people on this site.
Mr. A
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No doubt, Robert Carlyle is a stellar actor on the big screen, particularly in drama. But it's painfully obvious that he gets his ass kicked any day by "the lesser actor" star of the cancelled show Joe Flanigan when it comes to Stargate. Heck, even David Hewlett and Paul McGillion make him look like a high school theater rookie when it comes to SG series. And that's what Robert Cooper & Brad Wright grossely miscalculated when they put all their chips for SGU on his acting abilities.
YoshiKart64
Well Known GateFan
I think Carlyle and Ferreira are great on SGU. If I'm honest they make the show for me, if they were out I probably would be too.
Brian J Smith and Alaina huffman are completely wasted with crappy storylines though; I really think they are good actors who only get to shine in a couple of scenes every couple of weeks due to bad writing. Greer is also a great character who, for some reason, isn't given much screentime.
Sigh...as a fan of SG1, SGA and SGU I just wish they'd handled the whole situation better - I literally hate that its been turned into an SGA vs SGU war. It would have been nice to like all the shows peacefully.
Brian J Smith and Alaina huffman are completely wasted with crappy storylines though; I really think they are good actors who only get to shine in a couple of scenes every couple of weeks due to bad writing. Greer is also a great character who, for some reason, isn't given much screentime.
Sigh...as a fan of SG1, SGA and SGU I just wish they'd handled the whole situation better - I literally hate that its been turned into an SGA vs SGU war. It would have been nice to like all the shows peacefully.
SG-Rocks
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When I did put myself thru the agony of watching the show in shakey cam they were the only two actors I paid attention to. Angry black man was always funny though though. Sgt. Danger.
I think this will boost Ferreira's career. Not sure about Carlyle. I could see it cancelled and Ferreira being jump started for another show. And Carlyle packing up and heading where ever there's work again.
Mr. A
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Yoshi, there is no "SGA vs SGU war"! Only in the minds of BW, JM and your buddies at GateWorld. SGU is in a war only against itself to survive because nobody is watching it. IMO if it weren't for the few SGA fans with their misguided loyalty the show would be getting Flash Gordon ratings.
I'm an SG1 fan primarily. And Trek before that. To me it's a "Sci-Fi vs Soap war". I just mentioned SGA actors because RCC said in that interview that he wanted to get better actors for the new series than the current ones (i.e. JF, DH, RL...).
im new! but i have an opinion
Well, I always have and always will LOVE all the episodes of SG-1 and SGA.
For me, SG (1/A) helped me through some rough times. it was my escape. it was my friend. It was something that could entertain me, and take me away from my troubles for an hour in a way that not much else could.
The characters, the action, the singular and arch storylines and the humour. For me it was the perfect mix.
Just yesterday i broke out my DVDs and watched SG1 Reckoning (pt 1+2 season 8) and i found myself thinking - yeah this is stargate, this is what i remember. the little touches of humour, like the "Its a BLAST door" and (oh look, the replicators have stopped) "thads odd - yeah" START FIRING AGAIN moment. All in the middle of a critical and franchise changing episode.
Where are these touches in SGU? where are the people i could rely on to entertain me? where are the evil aliens that everyone really quite liked (B'aal for example - he was a kinda cool bad guy)? Where is my freaking entertainment? Where is the stargate?
It is stargate in nothing but name and the occasional guest starring of the object itself. Episode 7 of season 2 - they find a big ass derelict space ship and all we see of it is half a corridor, one window and a control panel, nothing else? i mean, its weird!
As much as i wanted to give the show a chance, and i really really did, i cant consider it stargate. no matter how hard TPTB try to convice us otherwise. A name i saw in some blog comment somewhere sums it up nicely for me.
BattleGate voyager 90210
There are only a few people who can be blamed for the performance of this product, and it most certainly isnt the fans
Gavin
Well, I always have and always will LOVE all the episodes of SG-1 and SGA.
For me, SG (1/A) helped me through some rough times. it was my escape. it was my friend. It was something that could entertain me, and take me away from my troubles for an hour in a way that not much else could.
The characters, the action, the singular and arch storylines and the humour. For me it was the perfect mix.
Just yesterday i broke out my DVDs and watched SG1 Reckoning (pt 1+2 season 8) and i found myself thinking - yeah this is stargate, this is what i remember. the little touches of humour, like the "Its a BLAST door" and (oh look, the replicators have stopped) "thads odd - yeah" START FIRING AGAIN moment. All in the middle of a critical and franchise changing episode.
Where are these touches in SGU? where are the people i could rely on to entertain me? where are the evil aliens that everyone really quite liked (B'aal for example - he was a kinda cool bad guy)? Where is my freaking entertainment? Where is the stargate?
It is stargate in nothing but name and the occasional guest starring of the object itself. Episode 7 of season 2 - they find a big ass derelict space ship and all we see of it is half a corridor, one window and a control panel, nothing else? i mean, its weird!
As much as i wanted to give the show a chance, and i really really did, i cant consider it stargate. no matter how hard TPTB try to convice us otherwise. A name i saw in some blog comment somewhere sums it up nicely for me.
BattleGate voyager 90210
There are only a few people who can be blamed for the performance of this product, and it most certainly isnt the fans
Gavin
Thought I'd check bact to the event that started it all http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/opinion-atlantis-fans-need-to-stop-punishing-universe/ They've levelled off at 320 comments. Here's the current last one.
Not me.
Hey, I'm already here! (that last comment was mine)
Illiterati
Council Member & Author
Never said I thought he was a stellar actor. Only posited along the idea that he was...
My point was pretty much that it wouldn't matter if you had Olivier playing Rush...if you had Pauly Shore, Ben Stein, Anna Nicole Smith and Jennifer Lopez to round out the cast, the show would still suck.
And as far as I can tell, Carlyle's pretty much one of those one-note actors.
My point was pretty much that it wouldn't matter if you had Olivier playing Rush...if you had Pauly Shore, Ben Stein, Anna Nicole Smith and Jennifer Lopez to round out the cast, the show would still suck.
And as far as I can tell, Carlyle's pretty much one of those one-note actors.
And I'm in rant mode, seeing that quote again. This is where I got really angry, and it was these sort of comments that made me actually find this site rather than simply shrug, say "Well I didn't like it but good luck guys" and turn off the TV. Those other actors he dismisses are IMHO, one of the main reasons both of the previous shows lasted as long as they did. They took some paper thin storylines and ran with them and created the show. Seriously, if Sheppard/McKay didn't play off together so well, even though I got tired of the McKay show, they'd have been screwed if that didn't happen because the plots going on around them were often barely there. Jason Momoa could do more with a grunt than BJS and his Julliard education have done in 26 episodes.
I've yet to be as impressed with any of the other "higher calibre" actors. Which, really? Yes Ming-na is a name, as is LDP, but that's it really. So was RDA, Ben Browder etc. Beau Bridges wasn't chopped liver either, nor was Picardo and SG-1 especially got very lucky with some famous face guest stars from time to time, more well known that Robert Knepper and "that chick who was on Boston Legal for a season." And really, I bet you're paying these actors that just reallllyyyy wanted to work with Carlyle pots of cash for the small amounts of time they spend on screen. Ming-Na inparticular has to be laughing all the way to the bank for her 2 minutes work per episode.
I think Carlyle is a brilliant actor and I've loved a lot of his other work and he certainly is doing some interesting things wtih Rush, but I'm still not as compelled my him as I should be. Ferriera is ok, from some BTS stuff he seems to be a cool personality. But as to the others, apart from JWS doing som interesting things with Greers 5 lines per ep and awful cliche backstory, I can't say I'll even remember their character names in a couple years, let alone keep an eye out for what they're doing.
Oh, and a final word about angry SGA fans and their magic powers over Neilsen boxes? The ratings for Air prove that it was not successful in pulling in many new fans (2.3 mill) and they've steadily declined since then, so I think that proves that many old Stargate fans did try and give this show a chance at first but tuned out when they realised they didn't like it. I myself gave it far more chances then I would have done any other new show.
Edit:
Welcome Savatage! In particular Rac80 has a thorough demonstration of her power to stop people watching SGU on several threads.
Mr. A
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Excellent!
PSW, you and Rac never cease to amaze me with your smileys!!! :beckettu:
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Lilith
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You are on the right site. We are using our secret powers to prevent people from watching SGU!
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We fight them:
We hypnotise them:
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johnsheppard
GateFans Noob
I watched R. Carlyle in a few productions and even if I admit he can have a good acting I don't like his acting. I'm more appealed and interested by Joe Flanigan's acting. It's obvious IMO Joe Flanigan is more popular than R. Carlyle and getting named actor doesn't mean you or the show will be a success. Joe Flanigan brings more to his characters and Sheppard is more related to the audience as the SGA cast.
I find Rush/Carlyle a bit out of his show not so involved.
MetalFoldingChair
GateFans Noob
It was actually an obscure Monty Python's "Life of Brian" reference.
But that's okay.
“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!”
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
Illiterati
Council Member & Author
Oh come now. They'll find just that in one of the as-yet undiscovered rooms of Density.“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!”
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
At least that'll be Rush's story when he finds Excalibur, the enchanted remote of the Ancients.
Considering SG1 were about 1 season away from being revealed as the actual Arthur and his Knights, I'd say that's certain. Except with SGU, instead of de-mystersing the Arthurian legends with fuck up Ancients and technology, they'll add even more faux theolog-idiocy to make it deep and meaningful ya'll just like they're doing with this stupid message thing. We'll have the "Destiny" avatar next like "Rommie".
ChromeToasterX
GateFans Noob
I think the issue with Robert Carlyle is that unlike Joe Flanigan, he never really got to work with a good director aside from that one episode he directed. Joe got to work with Martin Wood and one guy whose name escapes me but was always calling everyone "Chief" or something like that, basically people who were really passionate about their work. I don't get that same feeling from the directing choices in SGU and I think Carlyle is struggling to deal not only with that, but with material that must be really annoying the shit out of him in its repetitiveness. And its not just Carlyle that has problems with the directing, it's practically everyone on the show. Louis Ferreria is so bland and monotone in every episode aside from the dream parts of Cloverdale that its easier to imagine LDP as Young than Ferreria, Eli being an over the top annoyance, and a ton of other problems have just as much to do with the directing as the writing.