Ratings II

[Mr. A]

Sorry if I don't take your word for it, so...

twin destines was a great episode and the special effects were probably stargates best

We'll see.

 

[Gatefan1976]

thats the difference i feel in the shows sgu isnt a run and gun techy adventure show. To me its a character drama where the characters are on an adventure.I have watched sg1 aand sga atleast 3 times each and sg1 very rarely fails me but too much of sg1 was carried over to atlantis. alot of the episodes felt like rehashes and the characters besides lorne,shep,mckay were useless. the one character on the show i missed most during its 5 season run was Grodin. To me SGU's biggest downfall was that the story lines were drawn out too long but i understand why it was done and love that the show is 1 big constant story. chloe's story took way too long and now that it has come to a somewhat conclusion it was a waste.

SGA needed more episodes like The Daedalus Variations and travelers

Think about everything you have just said here, and think about the complaints that have been leveled towards SGU AND SGA.
Thinking about it?
Good.
Now, think about who is responsible for both!

 

[shavedape]

twin destines was a great episode and the special effects were probably stargates best

I just...I...wait...um...yeah...I'm going to go lay down for a few minutes now.

(It's moments like these that I miss the old forum where one didn't have to worry so much about censoring oneself. Let me tell ya, it's no fun dragging someone kicking and screaming to the FLAME HELL forum. Sigh... )

 

[Briangate78]

Hey Brian, is HH more important than total viewers? My understanding was C3 was the BIG number, but we don't see that, so the next best thing to look at was the demo, but I don't know where HH vs total viewers fits into the picture.

Well HH is just a percentage of how many households are watching a show. The ad companies pay based on the viewer totals after C3.

 

[YoshiKart64]

Think about everything you have just said here, and think about the complaints that have been leveled towards SGU AND SGA.
Thinking about it?
Good.
Now, think about who is responsible for both!

Gotta say though those guys did create the TV franchise and basically make you love them enough to react this drastically. I'm not one who thinks them taking an unpopular direction warrants the level of criticism they've faced.
Without wanting to go round the same discussion seen across all Stargate forums, these guys are still good at what they do. I'd like to see somebody else come in and do a better job than they have, I somehow think they'd find it harder than it looks.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Gotta say though those guys did create the TV franchise and basically make you love them enough to react this drastically. I'm not one who thinks them taking an unpopular direction warrants the level of criticism they've faced.
Without wanting to go round the same discussion seen across all Stargate forums, these guys are still good at what they do. I'd like to see somebody else come in and do a better job than they have, I somehow think they'd find it harder than it looks.

Yes, they were good at what they did, and I wouldn't argue with you there mate. The problem for me is, they reached far above thier talent and quite frankly, it shows in S1 of SGU. In S2 however, they got in some new writers and a serious Scifi consultant and it shows as well. It's all about knowing your limitations at any given point in time. Unfortunately, for some people, and for stargate in general, the writers did not recognise this or just flat out ignored it. JF said it a year (or more) ago, it will be pride and ego that brings the franchise down, and lo and behold, look what happened.
I really just don't comprehend why people cannot seem to say "I need help here" or "I don't know enough about X to do it justice"

 

[Sixamp]

"Originally Posted by Gatefan1976
Think about everything you have just said here, and think about the complaints that have been leveled towards SGU AND SGA.
Thinking about it?
Good.
Now, think about who is responsible for both!"

"YoshiKart64 Gotta say though those guys did create the TV franchise and basically make you love them enough to react this drastically. I'm not one who thinks them taking an unpopular direction warrants the level of criticism they've faced.
Without wanting to go round the same discussion seen across all Stargate forums, these guys are still good at what they do. I'd like to see somebody else come in and do a better job than they have, I somehow think they'd find it harder than it looks."

those you say are responsible are also responsible for SG1 and like yoshi said they made you love the stargate franchise.BW and co wanted to take SG in a new direction just like Ron Moore did with Caprica. Did both shows fail? thats up to the viewer. in my honest opinion NO No NO. SGU has incredible production value. The majority of the acting is top notch " majority" and the visuals are bettter than what weves seen is any SG. Caprica had enormous visuals but the story dragged on way too much and there was no action. almost no SCifi element to the show.I loved it still. SGU has this awesome mission set forth by the ancients .Its like a side story for the franchise and its a shame we wont see the day the destiny gets to where its supposed to go because im so intrigued by what COULD happen. i lost that feelng after season 1 of sga and the lost tribe brought it back but it was too late

 

[Overmind One]

PLEASE explain where "opinion" figures into failure or doesnt? It is either a FAIL or not a fail.

"Originally Posted by Gatefan1976
Think about everything you have just said here, and think about the complaints that have been leveled towards SGU AND SGA.
Thinking about it?
Good.
Now, think about who is responsible for both!"

"YoshiKart64 Gotta say though those guys did create the TV franchise and basically make you love them enough to react this drastically. I'm not one who thinks them taking an unpopular direction warrants the level of criticism they've faced.

Without wanting to go round the same discussion seen across all Stargate forums, these guys are still good at what they do. I'd like to see somebody else come in and do a better job than they have, I somehow think they'd find it harder than it looks." those you say are responsible are also responsible for SG1 and like yoshi said they made you love the stargate franchise.BW and co wanted to take SG in a new direction just like Ron Moore did with Caprica. Did both shows fail? thats up to the viewer. in my honest opinion NO No NO. SGU has incredible production value. The majority of the acting is top notch " majority" and the visuals are bettter than what weves seen is any SG. Caprica had enormous visuals but the story dragged on way too much and there was no action. almost no SCifi element to the show.I loved it still. SGU has this awesome mission set forth by the ancients .Its like a side story for the franchise and its a shame we wont see the day the destiny gets to where its supposed to go because im so intrigued by what COULD happen. i lost that feelng after season 1 of sga and the lost tribe brought it back but it was too late

Um, how is whether those shows failed "up to the viewer"? Its not at all up to the viewer, not on any level. The viewer (yourself) might LOVE the show and feel that its a success and that it is the best show in the Stargate franchise. But your opinion (or any other fan opinion) is not a factor in the "FAIL" of a show. Its ratings which say whether its a fail or not. Having said that, both Caprica and Stargate Universe ARE failed shows. It is not up to the viewer. You may not think it was a bad show, and you are entitled to your opinions. But if the show fails (as defined by its ratings), then its a fail no matter what you or anyone else thinks, right?

I used to be completely baffled at some SGU fans who would not only ignore the ratings numbers, but would either make up their own (like Wormhole Riders), or would dismiss them as being "unreliable". Huh? Arent those the same ratings systems that all other shows have to use as well?

Just sayin...

 

[YoshiKart64]

Um, how is whether those shows failed "up to the viewer"? Its not at all up to the viewer, not on any level. The viewer (yourself) might LOVE the show and feel that its a success and that it is the best show in the Stargate franchise. But your opinion (or any other fan opinion) is not a factor in the "FAIL" of a show. Its ratings which say whether its a fail or not. Having said that, both Caprica and Stargate Universe ARE failed shows. It is not up to the viewer. You may not think it was a bad show, and you are entitled to your opinions. But if the show fails (as defined by its ratings), then its a fail no matter what you or anyone else thinks, right?

I used to be completely baffled at some SGU fans who would not only ignore the ratings numbers, but would either make up their own (like Wormhole Riders), or would dismiss them as being "unreliable". Huh? Arent those the same ratings systems that all other shows have to use as well?

Just sayin...

But come on if V get's cancelled this season and ends are you going to be so cool labeling it a failure? We're not the people making money (or not as the case may be) out of the show so we should be judging it creatively.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Hang on, Cleaning up

Think about everything you have just said here, and think about the complaints that have been leveled towards SGU AND SGA.
Thinking about it?
Good.
Now, think about who is responsible for both!"

Gotta say though those guys did create the TV franchise and basically make you love them enough to react this drastically. I'm not one who thinks them taking an unpopular direction warrants the level of criticism they've faced.
Without wanting to go round the same discussion seen across all Stargate forums, these guys are still good at what they do. I'd like to see somebody else come in and do a better job than they have, I somehow think they'd find it harder than it looks."

Right, that looks better

those you say are responsible are also responsible for SG1 and like yoshi said they made you love the stargate franchise.BW and co wanted to take SG in a new direction just like Ron Moore did with Caprica. Did both shows fail? thats up to the viewer.

Yes they are responsible for SG1/SGA and yes, I am grateful for that. Yes BW was entitled to take a "new direction" with the franchise to some extent. Conversely, I am just as entitled to say he screwed the pooch on it. Now, did both shows fail? From a viewer perspective, well, yes I agree with you,, that depends on the viewer, doesn't it? From a commercial point of view however, let's just say I feel sorry for the Pooch , and I am VERY curious to see how B&C performs if it makes it to air as a show (and I think MGM would be just as interested just quietly)

in my honest opinion NO No NO. SGU has incredible production value. The majority of the acting is top notch " majority" and the visuals are bettter than what weves seen is any SG. Caprica had enormous visuals but the story dragged on way too much and there was no action. almost no SCifi element to the show.I loved it still.

I hate to say it, but "joe public" does not give a hoot about "production values", "groundbreaking cinematography" and they don't care if it took actor X to remember how they felt when thier doggie died when they were 6 to get those tears "just right", they are industry "strokes". Joe Public wants to be entertained, simple as that. (yes all those things contribute to JP's enjoyment, they don't think about them however) That does not mean "joe Public" is dumb however, just that they want to enjoy what they are watching and to escape from the "S.S.D.D." routine of thier lives.

SGU has this awesome mission set forth by the ancients .Its like a side story for the franchise and its a shame we wont see the day the destiny gets to where its supposed to go because im so intrigued by what COULD happen. i lost that feelng after season 1 of sga and the lost tribe brought it back but it was too late

I have ALWAYS maintained that I find the premise of SGU intruging, just that it's delivery was, well, crap.

 

[Overmind One]

Actually, yes.

But come on if V get's cancelled this season and ends are you going to be so cool labeling it a failure? We're not the people making money (or not as the case may be) out of the show so we should be judging it creatively.

Uh, YEAH. My avatar tells you who my scifi hero is. The epitome of logic and wisdom. I may not have the qualities to the degree that his character (Mr Spock) was given, but I certainly do not lack them. I can read the ratings numbers, and I can also look into what else is happening with the show. V cannot be compared to SGU or Caprica at all, so its sorta moot. SGU failed on every level. On its best day, it never drew ONE QUARTER the number of viewers that V had on its WORST day. Caprica did even worse. And not only that, V never garnered the utter disgust and revulsion of the original fanbase like SGU did for Stargate fans. Apples and Oranges. Speaking of apples, Caprica failed even sooner and in a shorter time than SGU did.

Having said that, ABC is not the only avenue for V. After seeing the cliffhanger tonight, I am CONVINCED that the Syfy channels already airing the show will order more of it. Syfy itself will most likely snap it up because as I said earlier, on its WORST day, it still drew several times more viewers than SGU or even SGA or SG-1 for that matter. . The fans of V want more, and if Syfy can get even HALF of the people who watched the LOWEST rated episode of V, that will be like being able to buy a new BMW for $20.00

Thats the difference between a FAIL and an OBSTACLE. An injury can heal, but what happened to Caprica and SGU was a terminal illness. There is a big big difference.

 

[Sixamp]

@overmind

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect everyones I just dislike when people hate on sgu because they believe it's not "sg" or because "sga was cancelled"

Joe public are morons. That's the problem. A coupleof wannabe guido's can pull good ratings because their trashy but a good scifi show can't survive on tv. Firefly, V, fringe,sgu,caprica,seeker to name a few. But if you put sg1,sga and sgu side by side sgu looks like a
More refined show and a better acted show. But it lacks the stargate appeal. Now sg1 and sga in their final season weren't pulling great numbers either. They were better than sgu but besides sga's final and maybe first 4 or 5 episodes that were 1.4ish maybe 1.5 *it was getting ratings of 1.2 just like sg1 when it was on it's way out. So maybe the problem lies more stargate being over extended? That hurts me to actually say that .

As for sgu *and the original canvases well alot of hate came because sga was cancelled and I was right there on gateworld when it was cancelled. I sent post cards in and that hole lemon campaign *but I didn't let it make me hate possible a new direction for the franchise I love and gave 14 years of my life and hard earned money to.

As far as V goes the first *few episodes were pretty good but I never really got that into it so I can't comment on that.

I dunno I'm on a train here in NYC and I'm about to go down into the tunnel. Lata.*

If you don't like sgu atleast support the franchise and sgu is apart of it. It may be the red headed step child but it still is

 

[Briangate78]

But come on if V get's cancelled this season and ends are you going to be so cool labeling it a failure? We're not the people making money (or not as the case may be) out of the show so we should be judging it creatively.

Caprica was a failure, SGU is just not as successful as the last 2 series. I think calling it a failure is too extreme since it did make it for 2 seasons. But it is no way in hell a success. I doubt any show that only goes 2 seasons is a success in any country.

 

[Rac80]

another one!

Just found my graph and it's the lowest one.

I have a great slogan for sgpoo : Universe: bringing Stargate to new LOWS!!!!!

thats the difference i feel in the shows sgu isnt a run and gun techy adventure show. To me its a character drama where the characters are on an adventure.I have watched sg1 aand sga atleast 3 times each and sg1 very rarely fails me but too much of sg1 was carried over to atlantis. alot of the episodes felt like rehashes and the characters besides lorne,shep,mckay were useless. the one character on the show i missed most during its 5 season run was Grodin. To me SGU's biggest downfall was that the story lines were drawn out too long but i understand why it was done and love that the show is 1 big constant story. chloe's story took way too long and now that it has come to a somewhat conclusion it was a waste.

SGA needed more episodes like The Daedalus Variations and travelers

sgpoo has done NOTHING but rehash previous sg1 and sga storylines. Deliverance was a rehash of SG1's serpents venom with a wee bit of unending - the ursini committing mass suicide! tptw of sgpoo has no originiality left in them. And remember- these are NOT the same people who did sg1 or even sga- they are the ones who couldn't find another job so stayed with the franchise. BW had to share with glassner and rcc was a writer for sg1 long before he got the big boy's chair. same with Loretta.

 

[Tripler]

Are you serious !!!

@overmind

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect everyones I just dislike when people hate on sgu because they believe it's not "sg" or because "sga was cancelled"

Joe public are morons. That's the problem. A coupleof wannabe guido's can pull good ratings because their trashy but a good scifi show can't survive on tv. Firefly, V, fringe,sgu,caprica,seeker to name a few. But if you put sg1,sga and sgu side by side sgu looks like a
More refined show and a better acted show. But it lacks the stargate appeal. Now sg1 and sga in their final season weren't pulling great numbers either. They were better than sgu but besides sga's final and maybe first 4 or 5 episodes that were 1.4ish maybe 1.5 *it was getting ratings of 1.2 just like sg1 when it was on it's way out. So maybe the problem lies more stargate being over extended? That hurts me to actually say that .

As for sgu *and the original canvases well alot of hate came because sga was cancelled and I was right there on gateworld when it was cancelled. I sent post cards in and that hole lemon campaign *but I didn't let it make me hate possible a new direction for the franchise I love and gave 14 years of my life and hard earned money to.

As far as V goes the first *few episodes were pretty good but I never really got that into it so I can't comment on that.

I dunno I'm on a train here in NYC and I'm about to go down into the tunnel. Lata.*

If you don't like sgu atleast support the franchise and sgu is apart of it. It may be the red headed step child but it still is

How can you ask someone to watch a TV show or support it when it will give them a migraine . Your show phiscally does not appeal to me as it makes me ill to watch . Get this straight . We are not all pissed over SGA being canceled . I did not even watch the last season of SGA so I did not even know it had left the airways . SGpoo makes me upset to watch not because it is not SGA or SG1 but because it is horrid entertainment to me and a large mass of viewers agree . If they had done this show with out the stargate premis and the ancient storyline and had just called it Universe it would still have failed . It will go down in history as the most ill conceived show in the history of TV . I am tired of trying to get this point across as the SGU.S website tried on many level's as have many other members on this site tried to explain why it failed . It is not good television . A very very small population enjoy it and because of that it is gone just like Caprica . I gave sgu a shot and I even gave Caprica a shot but they were just , how do I put this , BORING !!! sgu being much more irritating for me to watch so I just did not watch it . My health is more important to me than watching something that makes me upset and ill at the same time . It has nothing to do with SGA being canceled . There is something wrong with that show that just seems to urk people . Maybe it has subliminal messaging in it or something lol . I don't know . But I know it makes me ill so I do and will not watch it ever .

 

[shavedape]

Sorry for the nitpicking but I just have to say...

Caprica was a failure, SGU is just not as successful as the last 2 series. I think calling it a failure is too extreme since it did make it for 2 seasons. But it is no way in hell a success. I doubt any show that only goes 2 seasons is a success in any country.

SGU had a guarantee of 2 seasons. This has been confirmed (Craig Engler I believe). Just because they had a cushion of 2 seasons that doesn't mean they didn't fail, they did. You may have liked "Twin Destinies" but one little victory in 2 seasons worth of dross doesn't save SGU from being branded an overall failure. SGU is a failure, on many levels.

 

[Mr. A]

If you don't like sgu at least support the franchise and sgu is apart of it. It may be the red headed step child but it still is

Sixamp, when I watch a show on TV, I do it to be entertained and/or informed. Not to "support" any cause. That's not what watching TV is about. If a series isn't worth my precious weekly 60 mins, then it isn't worth getting my "support" either.

Moreover, there isn't such a thing as a franchise to be supported. That is a myth. Is the Star Trek franchise by your standards alive or dead at the moment? ST 2009 proved that regardless of the "state" of a franchise, if a good series or movie comes out, people will watch it and it will be successful, if it isn't good enough (look at ST:Nemesis) they won't and it will tank.

If Coca-Cola started bringing out carbonated fish juice, would you start drinking it just out of support to the brand and because you enjoyed Coke, Sprite (if you did) and all of the other stuff the company produces? Make sure the fish drink succeeds just because its failure would be a serious blow to the brand? I think not. I believe your thinking is being clouded by your love of a show that is going away because not enough people liked it as you did. I'm no fan of SGU, but I think I can relate to it from when SG1 and SGA got canceled. It's understandable and sad, yet there's no arguing people into watching your show if they don't like it...

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

SGU had a guarantee of 2 seasons. This has been confirmed (Craig Engler I believe). Just because they had a cushion of 2 seasons that doesn't mean they didn't fail, they did. You may have liked "Twin Destinies" but one little victory in 2 seasons worth of dross doesn't save SGU from being branded an overall failure. SGU is a failure, on many levels.

If my memory serves me, I believe he clarified his statement later and said that the 2 season thing still depended on the performance of the first ten episodes.

 

[Mr. A]

If my memory serves me, I believe he clarified his statement later and said that the 2 season thing still depended on the performance of the first ten episodes.

Firstly, it always does. I'm sure the deal had a clause that if the show completely tanked, it would get yanked out to avoid bankrupting Syfy for losing tons of money on a 2 year deal they couldn't get out of. So?

Secondly, you can't forget Craig Engler even touted that such a 2 year deal "was something very unusual in TV". That doesn't sound like SGU had the same chances all other series have when they have to perform right off the bat. It had special protection.

SGU did get a sweet 2 year guarantee and the loyal fans who gave it a chance up until the epsiode Life made sure that the deal was kept.

 

[stclare]

Which they had a bottom line average rating for, there was no way it could fall below that in it's first ten eps. So it may as well have been just called 2 years.

That's why I think the drifters took a slower approach with the storyline it doesn't explain why they didn't do more to increase viewership from the backhalf of season one.