Mallozzi's Mailbag & More II

[EvilSpaceAlien]

Oh really, what about Gauntlet? Still there's Divided, Subversion and Incursion prt 1 that I enjoyed. Joe had to be involved with some of them.

Plus Paul was a showrunner with Joe on Atlantis, so I guess the point stands in regards to both of them.

JM did Space, Incursion Pt 1&2, Awakening, Resurgence & The Hunt, while Paul did Divided, Subversion, Trial and Error, Deliverance & Gauntlet. Of the two of them I really think that Mullie is a far superior writer to Mallozzi.

 

[YoshiKart64]

JM did Space, Incursion Pt 1&2, Awakening, Resurgence & The Hunt, while Paul did Divided, Subversion, Trial and Error, Deliverance & Gauntlet. Of the two of them I really think that Mullie is a far superior writer to Mallozzi.

Damn, they should really credit them separately . But based on that I'd have to agree with you. Other than Deliverance I've loved Mullie's episodes while only Incursion pt1 and Awakening did anything for me on the Mallozzi side.

But what confuses me there is who wrote the script for Extinction/ did most of the showrunning for Atlantis. Was it Mallozzi or Mullie? If it was the former than I reserve the right to change my opinon on him; it seems the goodwill should be given to Mullie.

 

[shavedape]

Huh???

Writing deals with a lot more then general plotlines, its about the way a story unfolds, the way the characters interact and changing pace and tone. As a showrunner dealing with the big picture he wasn't good, when he got down to crafting an episode he was pretty good.

That's my opinion anyway.

How does JM's sanctioning of a horribly lame, amateurish and hackneyed, too-convenient, plot device make him worthy of the moniker "good writer"?

And as for his skill at crafting an entire episode just what do you think "Extinction" was to be? He admits it was the idea for the first two episodes of season 6.

You're trying to separate out the terms "writer" verses "showrunner" when they are the same thing. As I said before, the term showrunner means head writer. Even if JM never typed one word of a script but still approved another writer's lousy piece that would reflect on JM's writing abilities -- or do you think writers don't use their cognitive function?

Again, for a writer of JM's experience to not only sanction such a lame story idea but to blog about it publicly proves he is not a good writer. He may be a good wordsmith and can write a sarcastic, withering retort or two, but the inability to see glaringly bad story ideas pretty much precludes him from being referred to as "good" in a writing context. In fact, this horrendously bad story idea that he has posited pretty much makes him a borderline hack.

 

[Savatage]

One more plot hole: The ancients already had a fail-safe in place: You can't use their tech unless you have ancient DNA. So any kind of self-destruct would only limit their own ability to use their own tech! If there's a wind blowing toward Mozzie's house it's this script sucking.

 

[shavedape]

One more plot hole: The ancients already had a fail-safe in place: You can't use their tech unless you have ancient DNA. So any kind of self-destruct would only limit their own ability to use their own tech! If there's a wind blowing toward Mozzie's house it's this script sucking.

Exactly. It's like JM's regressing as a writer. Not a good sign for his career.

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

But what confuses me there is who wrote the script for Extinction/ did most of the showrunning for Atlantis. Was it Mallozzi or Mullie? If it was the former than I reserve the right to change my opinon on him; it seems the goodwill should be given to Mullie.

Mullie and Mallozzi cooperated on that one, however whenever Mullie works with JM it seems that his writing just gets worse. As for SGA, I think that JM had a more prominent role that you notice by looking at the direction the show took, and he was responsible for Enemy at the Gate, one of the worst series finales I have ever had the displeasure of watching. Mullie did write some good episodes in the later seasons, like The Last Man. Remnants also had the feel of a Mullie episode, but I don't know if he wrote it or not.

 

[Lilith]

I still think he's a good writer, just not a great showrunner.

Yes, in their world they fail upward.

 

[OMNI]

something that hasnt been mentioned yet.

atlantis doesnt have a self destruct.. we as in the tauri had to install one ourselfs remember "The Siege" ..... so how could there be a self destruct protocol written by the ancients on our own self destruct?
i for one havnt seen it mentioned in any episode that atlantis had a self destruct of its own... dare i call it... PLOTHOLE.
not really surprining that they dont know their own canon seeing as they disregard it constantly... what happened to the show bible?

anyway im glad that most of you agree that its better that this wasnt made especially since it was JM's baby.

 

[YoshiKart64]

Mullie and Mallozzi cooperated on that one, however whenever Mullie works with JM it seems that his writing just gets worse. As for SGA, I think that JM had a more prominent role that you notice by looking at the direction the show took, and he was responsible for Enemy at the Gate, one of the worst series finales I have ever had the displeasure of watching. Mullie did write some good episodes in the later seasons, like The Last Man. Remnants also had the feel of a Mullie episode, but I don't know if he wrote it or not.

Ok, it really does seem like Mullie wrote all the episodes I was giving Mallozzi credit for. And yes Enemy of the Gate was tragic, if only because it had so much potential and yet squandered all of it.

One thing I can give Joe credit for - I enjoy the writing on his blog....thats something right ?

EDIT: This is also why I'm glad they moved on Universe when they did, Atlantis just wasn't being done right and Brad couldn't exactly take over again.

 

[OMNI]

Ok, it really does seem like Mullie wrote all the episodes I was giving Mallozzi credit for. And yes Enemy of the Gate was tragic, if only because it had so much potential and yet squandered all of it.

One thing I can give Joe credit for - I enjoy the writing on his blog....thats something right ?

EDIT: This is also why I'm glad they moved on Universe when they did, Atlantis just wasn't being done right and Brad couldn't exactly take over again.

but the crappiness and god awfull writing continued in sgu instead..

 

[YoshiKart64]

but the crappiness and god awfull writing continued in sgu instead..

In my opinion it didn't. But this is an age old argument that could go on forever; what you should take from that point is that I preferred Brad/Rob as showrunners.

 

[OMNI]

In my opinion it didn't. But this is an age old argument that could go on forever; what you should take from that point is that I preferred Brad/Rob as showrunners.

as did i.

 

[Backstep]

This is OT but funny, check out the 'see also' at the bottom of the page for all the SG pages.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Stargate_Universe

It turned out that Stargate Universe was in fact the Stargate writers/producers rickrolling SyFy who in turn, & unknowingly rickrolled the entire Stargate fan community.

Haha we got you with our l33t Rick Roll mofoz!

 

[SciphonicStranger]

From what I've read on Mallozzi's blog, the writer who got show credit was the one who wrote the initial version of any given script. After that (according to Mallozzi) the script would be passed around to the other writers who may or may not make major revisions to it. I'm not sure if he stated that this happened with the SGA Extinction script or not. I would think (hope) that at least one of the other writers would replace the self destruct alarm with something that makes sense. :roll:

 

[YoshiKart64]

From what I've read on Mallozzi's blog, the writer who got show credit was the one who wrote the initial version of any given script. After that (according to Mallozzi) the script would be passed around to the other writers who may or may not make major revisions to it. I'm not sure if he stated that this happened with the SGA Extinction script or not. I would think (hope) that at least one of the other writers would replace the self destruct alarm with something that makes sense. :roll:

I'd add to this that despite the stuidity of that story element, the rest of the script might be pretty cool. So let's wait and see.


Then no doubt rip into him.

 

[SciphonicStranger]

I'd add to this that despite the stuidity of that story element, the rest of the script might be pretty cool. So let's wait and see.


Then no doubt rip into him.

I'm sort of looking forward to reading the next "Mailbag" myself.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I'm sort of looking forward to reading the next "Mailbag" myself.

You misspelled "garbage" bag.

 

[SciphonicStranger]

You misspelled "garbage" bag.

:jm:

Sorry 'bout that.

 

[mzzz]

There are different kinds of writing, tv writing and book writing are very different things. Joe may have written some good sci-fi tv in the previous stargates but doesn't make him a good writer overall or a good writer in other genres, as was evidenced by the SGU experiment. Tom Clancy can write pretty decent military fiction, wouldn't expect him to write good tv military fiction, or a good romantic comedy or something.

 

[OMNI]

my god... this ******** never ceases to amaze me...

I don’t watch a lot of t.v. I could say it’s because I’m incredibly busy (which I am) but the truth is that, given the choice, I’d much rather read, cook, work-out, or spend quality time with my dogs. I do, however, manage to make time for some my favorites (House, Top Chef, Spartacus, and the occasional HBO offerings), squeezing in a viewing while exercising or before lights-out – which is more than can be said for my movie-watching. After building a home theater, I decided to never again visit a theater and, instead, chose to wait for films of interest to come out on dvd – until the introduction of blu-ray effectively dissuaded me from ever buying another dvd (much less a blu-ray player which, I assumed, would, in turn, be rendered obsolete by the next big thing so why bother?). As a result, I would be completely lost in any dinner party conversation that shifted to Inception, Avatar, Toy Story 3, Star Trek, and every James Bond installment since Golden Eye.

wait a minute he callls himself a writer and he works in the TV/movie industri but you dont watch anything new that comes out? wow he is full of himself.. so basicly every though that ever crsses his mind is in his head brilliant and has never been done before?

i dont get this at all WTF if i was working as a writer in the TV/movie buisness id read wtach and hunger for EVERYTHING so it would help inspire me and maybe help me in creating something that hasnt been done before... (i should really stop reading the blog as it just annoys me more and more.)