Mallozzi's Mailbag & More II

[EvilSpaceAlien]

Wow, that is just one of the most contrived reason for getting back to the Pegasus galaxy I've ever heard.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

This blows.
First Atlantis is on the moon and then the self destruct. Yuck!

 

[Tropicana]

Here it is:

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com...-design-stargate-extinction-secrets-revealed/

This was probably better NOT made, after seeing what he had planned. But now I see that he is going to pimp out that unpublished, unmade script as tidbits posted on his blog to draw readers from the Stargate fanbase. He would have been more magnanimous to give those "releases" to Gateworld. I personally dont care to read what he had planned in the Extinction script after reading this.

That makes no sense. Why on earth would Ancients install an auto self-destruct if Atlantis should be moved? It's a space ship. Ancients would have been sophisticated enough to know that it'll be fine if Atlantis ever got back to Avalon/Milky Way Galaxy and ok, not so much outside Pegasus/Milky Way.

Why Atlantis with this self-destruct? They left millions of tiny technologies all over the place like litter and this one piece of Ancient technology and they put a self-destruct on it. Really?

 

[Bluce Ree]

Here it is:

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com...-design-stargate-extinction-secrets-revealed/

This was probably better NOT made, after seeing what he had planned. But now I see that he is going to pimp out that unpublished, unmade script as tidbits posted on his blog to draw readers from the Stargate fanbase. He would have been more magnanimous to give those "releases" to Gateworld. I personally dont care to read what he had planned in the Extinction script after reading this.

Perhaps the movie was appropriately named as the story would seal the series' "Extinction" with such a contrived storyline.

 

[YoshiKart64]

I like the idea of Atlantis on the moon (would have been cooler than it starting on Earth). I hate the idea of the self-destruct - seriously what the hell.

I really hope this is a fakeout when the Atlantis team realise Earth will never let them go back. After all its on them to fight the wraith since they awakened them - plus it would give a new meaning to the show. It would be even cooler if SG1 people such as O'Neill were in on it; they know the importance of helping a galaxy resist such a threat.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

That makes no sense. Why on earth would Ancients install an auto self-destruct if Atlantis should be moved? It's a space ship. Ancients would have been sophisticated enough to know that it'll be fine if Atlantis ever got back to Avalon/Milky Way Galaxy and ok, not so much outside Pegasus/Milky Way.

Why Atlantis with this self-destruct? They left millions of tiny technologies all over the place like litter and this one piece of Ancient technology and they put a self-destruct on it. Really?

Self destructs by themselves are already a big yawn but with this reason attached to it it becomes a yawn of epic proportions.
The ancients left the city rotting on the bottom of an ocean floor open for anyone to come and go as they please with technology in it that can make stargates explode and what not but oh dear you don't want to take this city away from Pegasus!

 

[Tropicana]

Self destructs by themselves are already a big yawn but with this reason attached to it it becomes a yawn of epic proportions.
The ancients left the city rotting on the bottom of an ocean floor open for anyone to come and go as they please with technology in it that can make stargates explode and what not but oh dear you don't want to take this city away from Pegasus!

EXACTLY!!

Makes no sense.

I'm laughing so hard cos it's so tragic.

 

[shavedape]

This has got to be a joke

Are we really to believe that with all that that crew has been thru and with both McKay and Carter on board that they wouldn't know how to turn off a switch? I mean, this is episode 1 type stuff. Very lame to have it happen at the season 6 mark.

 

[Tripler]

I am beginning to really not liking this mallozi guy more and more ! I think he should get out of the business all together and just move on to something else . He had his go ,,, now it is time he moved on !!!

 

[YoshiKart64]

I am beginning to really not liking this mallozi guy more and more ! I think he should get out of the business all together and just move on to something else . He had his go ,,, now it is time he moved on !!!

I still think he's a good writer, just not a great showrunner.

 

[shavedape]

I still think he's a good writer, just not a great showrunner.

The difference being what?

Your statement implies that showrunners, for some unknown reason, have less control over the story content than writers do, which isn't the case. Besides, the lameness of this idea should be glaringly obvious to everyone, especially the showrunner.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I am beginning to really not liking this mallozi guy more and more ! I think he should get out of the business all together and just move on to something else . He had his go ,,, now it is time he moved on !!!

What kept you on the fence so long?

 

[YoshiKart64]

The difference being what?

Your statement implies that showrunners, for some unknown reason, have less control over the story content than writers do, which isn't the case. Besides, the lameness of this idea should be glaringly obvious to everyone, especially the showrunner.

A showrunner would define the major beats of an arc, i.e. how they get back to Pegasus. Ultimately its the showrunner that controls the direction of the show while a writer decides how it plays out, dialogue, character interactions etc.

I think it's no coincidence the quality of Atlantis dropped when Brad handed the reigns over to Mallozi and Muille. Despite this I've enjoyed individual episodes that Joe has written (i.e. Trial and Error in SGU, Remnants in SGA etc). Therefore I think he's a good writer, but not so good a showrunner.

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

A showrunner would define the major beats of an arc, i.e. how they get back to Pegasus. Ultimately its the showrunner that controls the direction of the show while a writer decides how it plays out, dialogue, character interactions etc.

I think it's no coincidence the quality of Atlantis dropped when Brad handed the reigns over to Mallozi and Muille. Despite this I've enjoyed individual episodes that Joe has written (i.e. Trial and Error in SGU, Remnants in SGA etc). Therefore I think he's a good writer, but not so good a showrunner.

Trial and Error was actually written by Paul alone, though I don't know about Remnants.

 

[Tripler]

What kept you on the fence so long?

Lol . I have had my fare share of mallozi rant's but I feel sometimes that it of no use and it only get's me upset . Today I decided to read that little blurp and I realized once more why I don't like this liar of unlimited magnitude .

 

[YoshiKart64]

Trial and Error was actually written by Paul alone, though I don't know about Remnants.

Oh really, what about Gauntlet? Still there's Divided, Subversion and Incursion prt 1 that I enjoyed. Joe had to be involved with some of them.

Plus Paul was a showrunner with Joe on Atlantis, so I guess the point stands in regards to both of them.

 

[shavedape]

I can already see that we're not going to agree on this.

A showrunner would define the major beats of an arc, i.e. how they get back to Pegasus. Ultimately its the showrunner that controls the direction of the show while a writer decides how it plays out, dialogue, character interactions etc.

I think it's no coincidence the quality of Atlantis dropped when Brad handed the reigns over to Mallozi and Muille. Despite this I've enjoyed individual episodes that Joe has written (i.e. Trial and Error in SGU, Remnants in SGA etc). Therefore I think he's a good writer, but not so good a showrunner.

JM is not a good writer if he approved of such a lame plot. You may like him for writing a good episode or two but if at this stage of his career he can't distinguish what is good storytelling verses what is laughably amateurish then he simply is not a "good" writer.

You can argue the semantics of the terms "writer" verses "showrunner" all you want but at the end of the day they both include the development of scripted content. If anything the moniker of "showrunner" simply means that JM was the head writer. His sanction of this horribly lame story idea proves he is not a good writer, pure and simple.

 

[Bluce Ree]

JM is not a good writer if he approved of such a lame plot. You may like him for writing a good episode or two but if at this stage of his career he can't distinguish what is good storytelling verses what is laughably amateurish then he simply is not a "good" writer.

You can argue the semantics of the terms "writer" verses "showrunner" all you want but at the end of the day they both include the development of scripted content. If anything the moniker of "showrunner" simply means that JM was the head writer. His sanction of this horribly lame story idea proves he is not a good writer, pure and simple.

It all depends on your perspective. He did an excellent job writing crap that ran the show into the ground. If that was his goal then, relatively speaking, he was an excellent writer *and* showrunner.

 

[YoshiKart64]

JM is not a good writer if he approved of such a lame plot. You may like him for writing a good episode or two but if at this stage of his career he can't distinguish what is good storytelling verses what is laughably amateurish then he simply is not a "good" writer.

You can argue the semantics of the terms "writer" verses "showrunner" all you want but at the end of the day they both include the development of scripted content. If anything the moniker of "showrunner" simply means that JM was the head writer. His sanction of this horribly lame story idea proves he is not a good writer, pure and simple.

Writing deals with a lot more then general plotlines, its about the way a story unfolds, the way the characters interact and changing pace and tone. As a showrunner dealing with the big picture he wasn't good, when he got down to crafting an episode he was pretty good.

That's my opinion anyway.

 

[shavedape]

It all depends on your perspective. He did an excellent job writing crap that ran the show into the ground. If that was his goal then, relatively speaking, he was an excellent writer *and* showrunner.

I humbly stand corrected.