Mallozzi's Mailbag & More II

[Briangate78]

It is kinda sad. I never really had an issue with Joe M, he wanted SGA to continue, even had stories for Season 6. Well, this is what happens when arrogance of one producer or production company tries to cash in on what was already successful. Atlantis should of never ended, and we would not be in this position.

 

[Tropicana]

1 more remaining piece and the jigsaw will be completed, and that's the SGU sets to be torn down. SGU wasn't particularly good, or else everybody would be watching it, the show wouldn't have got cancelled. The international ratings wouldn't all be pointing downwards would they?

Also, it's not like Mallozzi spoke out against the questionable aspects of SGU, or considered fan inputs at all - did he once acknowledge fan concerns? No, instead he just joined BW's tirade with the likes of - "Stop making idiot comments".

IMO, they deserved to be evicted out from the Bridge Studios, they thought they were able to walk on water and don't have to listen to any criticisms, and could get away with talking down to fans.

Congratulations, game over.

 

[Overmind One]

I think thats part of the reason the original writers have sorta "fired" Brad.

It is kinda sad. I never really had an issue with Joe M, he wanted SGA to continue, even had stories for Season 6. Well, this is what happens when arrogance of one producer or production company tries to cash in on what was already successful. Atlantis should of never ended, and we would not be in this position.

Brad wouldnt leave, so the other original writers have left and then re-formed without him on Transporter, leaving Brad with a stranglehold on a corpse. Brad has brought us so much great Stargate, but he lost control and started thinking of Stargate as only a "brand" to be slapped on stuff.

 

[Briangate78]

Brad wouldnt leave, so the other original writers have left and then re-formed without him on Transporter, leaving Brad with a stranglehold on a corpse. Brad has brought us so much great Stargate, but he lost control and started thinking of Stargate as only a "brand" to be slapped on stuff.

It truly is sad. BW has given us great Stargate. I truly hope if he does stick around he will go back to the SG roots. SGU may have been fun for them, and it's ok for change, but if the fans don't like it, ya don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[shavedape]

Schadenfreude my friend?

My favorite part of JM's post:

If this is us "taking pleasure in the pain of others" then I think it's well deserved. I don't discount the good things JM and BW did with Stargate but their attitudes these past couple years has been a huge turn off and at times blatantly insulting to the fans who paid their mortgages. I'd be more sympathetic towards them if they hadn't been so arrogant and myopic with their new direction for Stargate.

 

[shavedape]

It is kinda sad. I never really had an issue with Joe M, he wanted SGA to continue, even had stories for Season 6. Well, this is what happens when arrogance of one producer or production company tries to cash in on what was already successful. Atlantis should of never ended, and we would not be in this position.

True, Atlantis should not have ended when it did but to be honest it would probably be done by now. If it went past another season or two it would have become watered down and attenuated. The life cycle of BW's version of Stargate in all its forms is ended and/or ending. Entropy has done its job in this regard and everyday it becomes clearer that instead of getting an Atlantis finale we'll be getting something completely new from a group of producers that have their own vision of Stargate -- but not for awhile. We are quite literally between eras here, which is just something we have to accept. This isn't a pessimistic view if one anticipates something new and fresh in the future.

 

[Savatage]

It truly is sad. BW has given us great Stargate. I truly hope if he does stick around he will go back to the SG roots. SGU may have been fun for them, and it's ok for change, but if the fans don't like it, ya don't bite the hand that feeds you.

BW bit the hand alright. He assumed we'd go along with anything he put out because SG1/SGA fans are a predictable bunch. If he made an Alantis movie, I'd watch it, but I don't think he has the desire to do so or he wouldn't still be pushing SGU.

 

[Overmind One]

Yeah, but to hear Brad talk about "franchise" and "brand" is a turn off.

It truly is sad. BW has given us great Stargate. I truly hope if he does stick around he will go back to the SG roots. SGU may have been fun for them, and it's ok for change, but if the fans don't like it, ya don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I think Brad got caught up in the "develop the brand" mentality, and thought that he was building brand recognition like you would for dishsoap or breakfast cereals. Stargate is NOT a "brand", its a concept and he lost sight of that at some point. He also didnt seem like he was sharing power. If he was, then I think Cooper would not have left and then recruited almost the entire former writing crew EXCEPT Brad for another show on another network. Brad should have stepped back and gave the reigns to new writers like they have done with Trek since the beginning. Roddenberry was all for fresh talent, and we saw Trek grow and change because they were using new talent when the others got bored. Brad hung on long past his prime. He could still have been the EP and not been a dictator.

 

[Rac80]

BW bit the hand alright. He assumed we'd go along with anything he put out because SG1/SGA fans are a predictable bunch. If he made an Alantis movie, I'd watch it, but I don't think he has the desire to do so or he wouldn't still be pushing SGU.

I disagree he did not bite the hand...he ran over the whole animal, several times, with all of his snotty comments towards the fans who dared to dislike his show!

 

[Savatage]

I disagree he did not bite the hand...he ran over the whole animal, several times, with all of his snotty comments towards the fans who dared to dislike his show!

I know. If he was a dog, then we were his fire hydrant.

 

[mzzz]

No offence to fans of mallozzi, brad, etc. I think they should move on from the stargate franchise. Their interest seems to be becoming more 'mainstream' and making money. Their passions seem to be about that (monopolizing stargate) more than writing/creating sci-fi.

They went on an artistic venture thinking that since they created a successful franchise on one genre that it would carry over to another genre. Just because someone can write/create really good fantasy worlds and fantasy adventures, I would not expect that person to do a spy movie with equal greatness.

One other thing that would maybe help would be to apologize. Not in a derogatory/passive aggressive manner, just an apology to the fans and others. But mostly to the fans of the previous two franchises.

 

[Savatage]

No offence to fans of mallozzi, brad, etc. I think they should move on from the stargate franchise. Their interest seems to be becoming more 'mainstream' and making money. Their passions seem to be about that (monopolizing stargate) more than writing/creating sci-fi.

They went on an artistic venture thinking that since they created a successful franchise on one genre that it would carry over to another genre. Just because someone can write/create really good fantasy worlds and fantasy adventures, I would not expect that person to do a spy movie with equal greatness.

One other thing that would maybe help would be to apologize. Not in a derogatory/passive aggressive manner, just an apology to the fans and others. But mostly to the fans of the previous two franchises.

Mozz and the rest of the writers have gone on to other things. Brad seems to be the only one in limbo. I'm with you on the apology, but it'll never happen. I mean have you ever heard of a producer that apologized for anything?

 

[Gatefan1976]

Mozz and the rest of the writers have gone on to other things. Brad seems to be the only one in limbo. I'm with you on the apology, but it'll never happen. I mean have you ever heard of a producer that apologized for anything?

Didn't RDM apologise for one of the TNG movies?

 

[Savatage]

Didn't RDM apologise for one of the TNG movies?

If he did, I'd be impressed. Usually it's, "I stand by my work" or "People aren't smart enough to get it" or "If it weren't for a few angry fans..."

 

[THX1138]

Brad wouldnt leave, so the other original writers have left and then re-formed without him on Transporter, leaving Brad with a stranglehold on a corpse. Brad has brought us so much great Stargate, but he lost control and started thinking of Stargate as only a "brand" to be slapped on stuff.

Sounds like you are describing Cooper more than Brad.

 

[Overmind One]

Well...

Sounds like you are describing Cooper more than Brad.

Well, it was Brad, Mozz, Carl, Paul and Cooper when they were at Stargate. Carl is out, but the other three are together at Transporter and Brad is out. So, it looks like Carl and Brad have been "fired" to me.

 

[THX1138]

Well, it was Brad, Mozz, Carl, Paul and Cooper when they were at Stargate. Carl is out, but the other three are together at Transporter and Brad is out. So, it looks like Carl and Brad have been "fired" to me.

Yeah that's one way of looking at it.

However a lot of shit that Cooper was responsible for has been blamed on Brad. Cooper is the one that always pedalled the Network line and I feel that Cooper had the networks and MGM's ear more because he'd tell them what they wanted to hear, he'd spew the industry buzz words at them ad nauseam. Hence the slow decline of Stargate since Cooper became an EP/showrunner.

Cooper seems to have left because it was obvious his great new idea wasn't working and Brad was left to clean up Cooper's mess. I can understand Cooper wanting some of his sycophants from the writers room to back him up on the new project. He's going to need a lot of support when it becomes obvious that when the stories he's spun to the new money men isn't delivered and they are left with his generic, cliche stories copied from other successful shows.

BTW I'm not saying Brad isn't responsible for a lot of the shit that went down with Stargate just that Cooper is a snake that seems to slither away unscathed when usually he was the root cause of problems.

 

[Savatage]

I think we focus more on Mozz and BW because they are the vocal ones.

 

[Gatefan1976]

I think we focus more on Mozz and BW because they are the vocal ones.

I agree with that assesment.

 

[Briangate78]

It's very hard to see what happened behind closed doors. All I know is Syfy had themselves a very profitable show with plenty of life in it that could of gone several more seasons. With a focus direction and more money put into it, SGA could of been even greater and better.