YJ02
Well Known GateFan
why would i have a yt channel?
Star Trek: Picard
- Thread starter Lord Ba'al
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why would i have a yt channel?
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
i use guys like this for another perspective on things i have interest in
i do not base what I view on critics or because of someone on yt
i use them for information. when someone only seems to be negative about nearly everything, it is not very useful
don't tell me stuff like "Stewart looks old" that tells me nothing about the show
telling me they think that Picard is going to be the wizard of oz, tells me nothing except maybe they got a thing for or against the wizard of oz
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
after being enticed by VOYAGER being 'trending' on netflix, i decided to watch some of my favorite eps
in the best Neelix ep ever- the one where he dies (mortal coil)- 7 and Tuvok are discussing death and how a borg drone's memories would be remembered by the collective after death-even her's
so, that means the collective would still have Picard's memories, yes? If so, any chance that could be used against him in this show?
in the best Neelix ep ever- the one where he dies (mortal coil)- 7 and Tuvok are discussing death and how a borg drone's memories would be remembered by the collective after death-even her's
so, that means the collective would still have Picard's memories, yes? If so, any chance that could be used against him in this show?
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
A lot of people on Yt, are remarking that the bit in the trailer that shows Romulans guarding prisoners with Borg regen alcoves in the shot, that this means that these prisoners are former borg
maybe they are
but what if this is the romulans suing Borg tech on prisoners for max work effort?
like they put a cortical receiver in each prisoner and have them regenerate rather then eat and sleep? which would be costlier and take more time from working
not a theory or prediction, just a thought based on something 7 said in an ep of VOY i watched last night
maybe they are
but what if this is the romulans suing Borg tech on prisoners for max work effort?
like they put a cortical receiver in each prisoner and have them regenerate rather then eat and sleep? which would be costlier and take more time from working
not a theory or prediction, just a thought based on something 7 said in an ep of VOY i watched last night
I posted this in another thread. The problem is this: the wine in the bottle is cheap and if it were in another bottle with a name other than Picard, it would be considered swill. I just KNOW that some pithy SJWs who find a broody, broken Picard appealing will buy the swill just because the bottle has a chevron on it and says Chateau Picard (which does not exist). It's Disneyland's green milk strategy in Galaxy's Edge, only done for Star Trek. Still no toys, because no licensees (by their choice).
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
related to this show-apparently, and looking back at other shows/films in prime universe, anyone else notive a similarity between Borg and Romulan tech?
Even going back, to at east, NEMESIS and ENTEPRISE, to me, it is more then just appearances (they both like the same shade of green) but also in intentions/desired effect
both seemed to have an interest in meshing organic and tech together (with the Romulans using telepath controlled drone ships) and a penchant for mas effect weapons (thalaron generator)
this is just a total 'out of my ass' kind of question, but could it be possible ( i know its sci fi so...) that some long past failed, experiment of the Romulans with meshing organic and tech, may have instigated the Borg, even in the smallest of ways?
Even going back, to at east, NEMESIS and ENTEPRISE, to me, it is more then just appearances (they both like the same shade of green) but also in intentions/desired effect
both seemed to have an interest in meshing organic and tech together (with the Romulans using telepath controlled drone ships) and a penchant for mas effect weapons (thalaron generator)
this is just a total 'out of my ass' kind of question, but could it be possible ( i know its sci fi so...) that some long past failed, experiment of the Romulans with meshing organic and tech, may have instigated the Borg, even in the smallest of ways?
Yes, this is true. And the Borg have assimilated Romulans and also Klingons and other Alpha Quadrant species including humans. My question was always why the Borg did not also have cloaking technology? Many species have been shown to have it both in the Alpha Quadrant and even the Delta Quadrant. The Romulans gave cloaking tech to the Klingons (another gaffe done in Discovery where they showed the Klingons to have cloaks). The Federation had it shortly after the Klingons but were forbidden by treaty to have it on ships. That changed with the Defiant in DS9.
Well, we know the Borg have been defeated not long after the events of Voyager's return and after Nemesis. I am most interested in what advancements were made in the new show's timeline. If it is silly and contains magical stuff like time crystals or magic red beings, I will reject it. But if it is good, I will support it. Still, with even the new showrunners, I don't see any real scifi cred.
Lord Ba'al
Well Known GateFan
I thought the origins of Borg had already been established in canon.
Not clearly though. They are thought to have originated in the Delta Quadrant. Fans have speculated on stuff like Vger birthing the first of the Borg after leaving earth in the events of Star Trek TMP. But nothing like that in canon. Discovery wants to make it seem like Control might have been the origin of the Borg. But it really is not nailed down in canon.
Yes they did. Which makes STDs theory impossible.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
hubris? they believe they are unstoppable and cloaking is considered unnecessary to them?
as for my romulan borg question; i was getting at in the past, way before TOS, could it have been possible that some Romuan experiment gone wrong, might have created the Borg accidentally? And then what resulted grew, by learning and adapting, then assimilating, into what they are now?
in ENTERPRISE we do see romulans playing around with the tech/life form interface when they used telepathic Aenar to control their shape shifting drone ships. a similar, much earlier experiment, could have gotten out of containment and then begin to develop on its own
of course, i post this with the disclaimers of 1-pulling it out of my ass and 2- making the mistake of over thinking things, something so many TPTBs do not do
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
right, but so do other species and their space faring and the tech and knowledge that would come with that
what earth century do the romulans (to stay with the topic) go back to? they had space travelling tech when they sundered themselves from Vulcan
yes, but were they utterly defeated in VOYAGER?
all we see VOYAGER and Janeway doing (future janeway) is infecting and destroying a Borg hub base
we cannot know if all of their worlds (Which we have never seen other than from orbit) were affected.
and then there are the neo borg or the collection of Free Borg (the ones who chakotay discovered). they may have stepped in a grabbed up some ships and free tech after Janeway's attack
the thing is-which as been sticking with me for awhile- is that seemingly show runners have wanted to tell the Borg origin story for awhile now
a planned 5th season of ENTERPRISE was to include an arc that was going to show this. they even had the actress who played the borg queen to play the original non borg humanoid that became the Queen (in flashback i think )
s5 was also to include the events of the earth romulan war. perhaps the two stories were to be relatred? who knows, it will never be know
but tptb's (sane or otherwise) seem intent on telling the story. i dont see why PICARD won't tell it, it is certainly a viable, in canon theme for them to pursue, one that would be popular as well
Precisely.
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YJ02
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ok found it
romulans left Vulcan at the Time of the Awakening, which dates to the 4th century,AD, earth time
so if the borg go to the 15th,earth time, then, yeah, the timeline's got my back!
plenty of time in there (1000 years) for the Romulans to have made some huge,epic mistake that may have led to the creation of the borg
perhaps some Romulan scientist created a self aware machine with a progressive and adaptive algorithm that had the original mission of learning from its experiences to make it more efficient
felt that Romulans were against this efficiency (borg perfection) went AWOL and began seeking out more encounters and data and assimilated it.
whatever, who knows
their tech does look a hell a lot alike though
in reality, doesn't all new tech bear some resemblance to its origins? wouldn't this be the 'natural order' of things in tech as well, to emulate and follow its original designs, although improved and expanded?
romulans left Vulcan at the Time of the Awakening, which dates to the 4th century,AD, earth time
so if the borg go to the 15th,earth time, then, yeah, the timeline's got my back!
plenty of time in there (1000 years) for the Romulans to have made some huge,epic mistake that may have led to the creation of the borg
perhaps some Romulan scientist created a self aware machine with a progressive and adaptive algorithm that had the original mission of learning from its experiences to make it more efficient
felt that Romulans were against this efficiency (borg perfection) went AWOL and began seeking out more encounters and data and assimilated it.
whatever, who knows
their tech does look a hell a lot alike though
in reality, doesn't all new tech bear some resemblance to its origins? wouldn't this be the 'natural order' of things in tech as well, to emulate and follow its original designs, although improved and expanded?
ok found it
romulans left Vulcan at the Time of the Awakening, which dates to the 4th century,AD, earth time
so if the borg go to the 15th,earth time, then, yeah, the timeline's got my back!
plenty of time in there (1000 years) for the Romulans to have made some huge,epic mistake that may have led to the creation of the borg
perhaps some Romulan scientist created a self aware machine with a progressive and adaptive algorithm that had the original mission of learning from its experiences to make it more efficient
felt that Romulans were against this efficiency (borg perfection) went AWOL and began seeking out more encounters and data and assimilated it.
whatever, who knows
their tech does look a hell a lot alike though
in reality, doesn't all new tech bear some resemblance to its origins? wouldn't this be the 'natural order' of things in tech as well, to emulate and follow its original designs, although improved and expanded?
That certainly is plausible. But the lore had the Borg originating in the Delta Quadrant. The El Aurians (much older than 1000 years) remember the Borg from way back. The Romulan theory would still put the origin of the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant, which goes against canon. In the Voyager episode "Dragon's Teeth", the Vodwar said that they remember the Borg had colonized just a few worlds, and they had been in stasis for 900 years. But, there are no facts in canon, so speculate away!
The Romulan theory would work if somehow the Romulan proto-Borg found a way to the Delta Quadrant through a wormhole? Maybe the one near Bajor? Who knows?
No. But they were fatally crippled when the transwarp network was destroyed. Without that, they could not deploy reinforcements to any of the systems they assimilated, they would not be able to move resources around, and would steadily lose cohesion from there. We know they were still a threat when Picard and the Enterprise E did the events of First Contact.
All Borg connected to the Collective would have been affected.
That would be awesome if they did!
I don't want Picard to tell it because the showrunners are still not scifi writers, and I do not see any Star Trek vetted people associated with the show. I want that to wait until the merger of Viacom and CBS is done, and after the alternate license has gone away. I know people are excited about Picard, but I am just not feeling it yet. Something is feeling "off" about it, even though many favorite characters appear to be lined up for it.