Star Trek Discovery SUCKS.

[Overmind One]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aweigh

Definition of aweigh
raised just clear of the bottom —used of an anchor
First Known Use: 1670

The term "aweigh team" is also an archaic (but sometimes still used) Navy term and it refers to the group of usually 4 to 6 members of a crew who go to shore in a small boat from a ship.

 

[Tripler]

Read the comments section . Everyone has the same train of thought as we do about sexually transmitted disease

 

[Atlantis]

Do you guys think that they changed Star Trek, out of just sheer boredom from the original concept? Because I think they must have felt that there is nowhere to go with the original Star Trek Timeline. Commercialism kills creativity

 

[Overmind One]

Do you guys think that they changed Star Trek, out of just sheer boredom from the original concept? Because I think they must have felt that there is nowhere to go with the original Star Trek Timeline. Commercialism kills creativity

I think several things came into play. But the nexus event was JJ Abrams' 2009 Star Trek movie. It, like the BSG series, came at a time when the original fanbase was starving for some new Star Trek after Nemesis. The movie was ultra hyped and the INITIAL reaction was positive, propelling the movie to about $500m domestic+foreign. That number beat all previous Star Trek movies (forget about increased ticket costs and other extenuating factors). To the studio execs, that spelled SUCCESS. But it was short lived, dropping with the next movie which had a larger budget, then Beyond which had an even larger budget and was less than the first two. Still, they were stuck with the dumb JJ formula which has become "star trek" for Millenials. Discovery looks, feels and is written like the movies because Kurtzman is in charge.

So the short answer to your question is that they changed it because Kurtzman was given the property and he simply was out of his element so he had his writers make up shit after telling them to watch a few episodes. Not much of it made it to Discovery. Whatever the case, I want it to fail completely and give us yet another long break until Kurtzman and Abrams are far away from it.

 

[PussyGalore]

Do you guys think that they changed Star Trek, out of just sheer boredom from the original concept? Because I think they must have felt that there is nowhere to go with the original Star Trek Timeline. Commercialism kills creativity

You're giving the writers of STD too much credit. They wanted to write something cool and edgy. The writers are edge lords don't you know? This isn't your mama's Star Trek, no sir! This is all about being dark and edgy and turning the old Star Trek on its ear and shocking everyone with dark edginess and like, cool FX that make no logical sense but it doesn't matter cuz they're cool...and edgy.

*Obviously I'm being a bit sarcastic here but it's nonetheless true. I highly doubt the creators of STD spent much time thinking about the Star Trek canon. As it is they've already proven that they are using the original ST as window dressing for their low-brow, nihilistic story. Seriously, those guys don't know how to write an actual story; all they know is how to cobble together a bunch of scenes that are populated with vile, nasty characters interacting with each other. That's it. It's no deeper than that.

 

[Atlantis]

I think several things came into play. But the nexus event was JJ Abrams' 2009 Star Trek movie. It, like the BSG series, came at a time when the original fanbase was starving for some new Star Trek after Nemesis. The movie was ultra hyped and the INITIAL reaction was positive, propelling the movie to about $500m domestic+foreign. That number beat all previous Star Trek movies (forget about increased ticket costs and other extenuating factors). To the studio execs, that spelled SUCCESS. But it was short lived, dropping with the next movie which had a larger budget, then Beyond which had an even larger budget and was less than the first two. Still, they were stuck with the dumb JJ formula which has become "star trek" for Millenials. Discovery looks, feels and is written like the movies because Kurtzman is in charge.

So the short answer to your question is that they changed it because Kurtzman was given the property and he simply was out of his element so he had his writers make up shit after telling them to watch a few episodes. Not much of it made it to Discovery. Whatever the case, I want it to fail completely and give us yet another long break until Kurtzman and Abrams are far away from it.

You're giving the writers of STD too much credit. They wanted to write something cool and edgy. The writers are edge lords don't you know? This isn't your mama's Star Trek, no sir! This is all about being dark and edgy and turning the old Star Trek on its ear and shocking everyone with dark edginess and like, cool FX that make no logical sense but it doesn't matter cuz they're cool...and edgy.

*Obviously I'm being a bit sarcastic here but it's nonetheless true. I highly doubt the creators of STD spent much time thinking about the Star Trek canon. As it is they've already proven that they are using the original ST as window dressing for their low-brow, nihilistic story. Seriously, those guys don't know how to write an actual story; all they know is how to cobble together a bunch of scenes that are populated with vile, nasty characters interacting with each other. That's it. It's no deeper than that.

I am not giving them credit. I am just saying that they may decided to change it because they felt everything was done from a creative writing point of view from the original cannon.

 

[PussyGalore]

I am not giving them credit. I am just saying that they may decided to change it because they felt everything was done from a creative writing point of view from the original cannon.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to point out that there is no creative writing occurring with STD. The writers are giving us their version of what they assume to be the popular writing style in scifi now. This isn't creative writing, rather, it's crude mimicry of the current trend in scifi that stylistically leans towards nihilism.

 

[Atlantis]

Nail in the coffin by Jonathan Frakes about this Nu trek being jj style.

"Stylistically, your responsibility as an episodic television director [is] when you do a show like The Orville, you want that show to look like Next Generation.” Frakes explained. "And when you go to Canada to do Star Trek: Discovery, they want that show to have the feeling, and look, and vibe of the J.J. [Abrams]-era Star Trek. Much more cinematic, a lot of crane work, and a lot of movement, a lot of dutch angles. On Next Generation, the traditional framing, and the things we became accustomed to as fans of the show, we see in [The Orville] because that’s the look.”

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/12/24/star-trek-discovery-the-orville-jonathan-frakes/

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to point out that there is no creative writing occurring with STD. The writers are giving us their version of what they assume to be the popular writing style in scifi now. This isn't creative writing, rather, it's crude mimicry of the current trend in scifi that stylistically leans towards nihilism.

From their point of view they consider it to be "creative" because it's "different"

 

[Tripler]

I am so embarrassed it is filmed here in Canada ...

 

[Overmind One]

I am so embarrassed it is filmed here in Canada ...

The strange thing that happened when I was bingeing Discovery on Kodi was that "the light went out". The long burning flame I had for Star Trek started dimming in 2009, and after two more awful movies and during the watching of Discovery, it went out completely. A new one has been lit for The Orville. I think Star Trek is dead now. When these millenials talk about Star Trek, they will be saying stuff like "I am an old Star Trek fan...I have been watching it since 2009!". Nobody except the original fans will ever remember what Star Trek was like. Maybe, if The Orville continues to delight audiences, people will go back and watch real Star Trek.

 

[Atlantis]

Sounds like they are trying to save their face by bringing in more 'cannon characters'


http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/12/21/star-trek-discovery-canon-characters-harry-mudd/

Discovery's midseason finale left the show in a pretty unique position, one that could certainly allow more canon characters to enter the fold. After the midseason finale, the running fan theory has been that the show made a leap to the Mirror Universe, the fan-favorite world explored periodically in the Star Trek canon. But don't worry, the show's producers have already hinted that the show will ultimately reconcile with its unique spot in the Trek world.

 

[Overmind One]

Sounds like they are trying to save their face by bringing in more 'cannon characters'


http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/12/21/star-trek-discovery-canon-characters-harry-mudd/

The beginning of the end. Remember when they brought in Sam on SGU? Then Jack and even McKay? It did not help. How is THIS writing and production crew gonna do a mirror universe? It will be a mirror of the universe they are in right now because they can't do anything else. Bleh, I don't really care anymore.

 

[PussyGalore]

Sounds like they are trying to save their face by bringing in more 'cannon characters'


http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/12/21/star-trek-discovery-canon-characters-harry-mudd/

This whole statement sounds confused, which isn't surprising considering the show we're talking about.

 

[Joelist]

Canon characters aren't going to save a show where Netflix has bailed on funding and CBS is VERY circumspect about revealing exactly how many subscribers AllAccess has.

 

[PussyGalore]

The beginning of the end. Remember when they brought in Sam on SGU? Then Jack and even McKay? It did not help. How is THIS writing and production crew gonna do a mirror universe? It will be a mirror of the universe they are in right now because they can't do anything else. Bleh, I don't really care anymore.

The sad thing is that the writers actually think they're being clever. Truth is no one wants a mirror universe as a major plot point. They simply want Star Trek. No smoke, no mirrors, no games, no BS.

 

[Overmind One]

The sad thing is that the writers actually think they're being clever. Truth is no one wants a mirror universe as a major plot point. They simply want Star Trek. No smoke, no mirrors, no games, no BS.

It's an extension of the mentality that wound up placing a pet tribble in Lorca's office along with a Gorn skeleton. Why place canon characters in a non-canon Star Trek like Discovery? To get cred probably, and to make a desperate, gasping plea to the vast Star Trek fanbase that has dumped Discovery. A big part of the investment value of the Star Trek "property" was related to it's massive international and domestic fanbase. Like Brad Wright assumed with SGU, somebody thinks that as long as it has Star Trek slapped on it, we will sit down and watch faithfully AND even pay for the privilege. Yeah? No.

 

[PussyGalore]

It's an extension of the mentality that wound up placing a pet tribble in Lorca's office along with a Gorn skeleton. Why place canon characters in a non-canon Star Trek like Discovery? To get cred probably, and to make a desperate, gasping plea to the vast Star Trek fanbase that has dumped Discovery. A big part of the investment value of the Star Trek "property" was related to it's massive international and domestic fanbase. Like Brad Wright assumed with SGU, somebody thinks that as long as it has Star Trek slapped on it, we will sit down and watch faithfully AND even pay for the privilege. Yeah? No.

Yup, underneath all the bullshit bravado from TPTB they're no doubt scared. First the show fell flat on its face in terms of subscribers. When that happened they hurriedly hired an army of shills to infect the comments section of the articles they paid for to promote the show in the hopes of fixing things. Of course that didn't work so now they're scrambling to exploit ST canon in an attempt to trick ST fans into watching this turd.

So much wasted effort on the part of TPTB. They are clueless idiots. Nothing they do can fix this show. Nothing they do will get the subscriber list for CBS No Access to swell exponentially. That ship has sailed -- and crashed and burned.

 

[Overmind One]

Yup, underneath all the bullshit bravado from TPTB they're no doubt scared. First the show fell flat on its face in terms of subscribers. When that happened they hurriedly hired an army of shills to infect the comments section of the articles they paid for to promote the show in the hopes of fixing things. Of course that didn't work so now they're scrambling to exploit ST canon in an attempt to trick ST fans into watching this turd.

So much wasted effort on the part of TPTB. They are clueless idiots. Nothing they do can fix this show. Nothing they do will get the subscriber list for CBS No Access to swell exponentially. That ship has sailed -- and crashed and burned.

Yup! If you recall, it was even before the thing was barely into production that the spin started about it definitely being in the Prime Timeline, and that it was most certainly not going to be in the "Kelvinverse". Then as soon as that videogame cutscene of a preview they gave us of the ship, they continued to spin it and tell us that the ship was not going to look like that, and it would look more like Star Trek when it was finished.

Now we have this mediocre scifi-ish dark soap opera in space, and it's characters are all dysfunctional to the point of being repellant. And they cuss on the show and have nudity now. On Star Trek. So, I think it's safe to assume that on every Star Trek show, every character is naked at some point while showering, or dressing or having sex. We never had to see it because the story was more important to the episode than showing the mundane nakedness of one of the characters. This show goes boldly nowhere, and gets very busy doing nothing. It's irredeemable.

 

[Overmind One]

Canon characters aren't going to save a show where Netflix has bailed on funding and CBS is VERY circumspect about revealing exactly how many subscribers AllAccess has.

THAT. If CBS has to bankroll this show from now on, and it is supposed to be anchoring CBS All Access, it's days are numbered purely because it is just too expensive to produce. Season 2 is Netflix's turn to air it risk free. After Season 2, I am seeing a warp core breach happening.

 

[PussyGalore]

Canon characters aren't going to save a show where Netflix has bailed on funding and CBS is VERY circumspect about revealing exactly how many subscribers AllAccess has.

Yes, this will be nothing more than desperate "stunt casting" to get eyeballs onto the show. The producers have already proven that they have no respect for Star Trek canon. Tossing a familiar face onto the screen is pure cynicism on their part.