We Should Start Our Own Campaign

Jason1983

GateFans Noob
A campaign to get some form of new stargate on the air.

Be it a sequal to the orignal Stargate movie or a brand new show on Syfy.

I think a campaign would help give this new site energy and purpose.
I mean the only new stargate stuff there is to talk about is the new Atlantis books coming out...such as "Homecoming":
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

I don't know, what does everyone think about a campaign? Worth trying? Or a waste of time?
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
I think this is a GREAT idea!

A campaign to get some form of new stargate on the air.

Be it a sequal to the orignal Stargate movie or a brand new show on Syfy.

I think a campaign would help give this new site energy and purpose.
I mean the only new stargate stuff there is to talk about is the new Atlantis books coming out...such as "Homecoming":
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

I don't know, what does everyone think about a campaign? Worth trying? Or a waste of time?

I think that ANY talk about beinging Stargate back should start right away. But Im still biased against any teen angsty show like SGU was. Something fresh, but still like Stargate needs to happen. I think that encouraging MGM and the original creators of Stargate is a great place to start. :) Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin have already expressed interest in doing sequels. :)
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
I think that ANY talk about beinging Stargate back should start right away. But Im still biased against any teen angsty show like SGU was. Something fresh, but still like Stargate needs to happen. I think that encouraging MGM and the original creators of Stargate is a great place to start. :) Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin have already expressed interest in doing sequels. :)

I'm not to confident with Emmerich considering that his most recent writing credits are The Day After Tomorrow, 10 000 BC, and 2012.

These guys are probably the ones I'd be okay with taking over the SG franchise, be it in movie television form.

Big screen movie(s):

Joss Whedon
Pros:
-Wrote and directed Serenity
-Co-wrote Titan A.E.
-Created Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse
-Has oodles of experience in working with science fiction
Cons:
-Wrote Alien: Resurrection

J.J. Abrams
Pros:
-Created and served as a writer and producer for Alias
-Co-created Lost and Fringe
-Directed Star Trek (2009)
-Has experience working with science fiction
Cons:
-Is responsible for the fifth season of Alias

Roberto Orci
Pros:
-Co-wrote and produced Star Trek (2009) and The Island
-Co-created Fringe
-Served as a writer and producer for Alias
-Has some experience working with science fiction
Cons:
-Co-wrote Mission: Impossible III
-Co-wrote Tranformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
-Co-wrote Tranformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen!!!!!!

Quentin Tarantino

Pros:
-Wrote and directed Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Death Proof, and Inglorious Bastards
Cons:
-Seems like a bit of an ass

Robert Rodriguez
Pros:
-Wrote and directed Desperado, Planet Terror, and Machete
-Directed Sin City
Cons:
-Wrote and directed the Spy Kids movies

New tv show:

Joss Whedon
See above

J.J. Abrams
See above

Roberto Orci
See above

Ronald D. Moore
Pros:
-Served as writer for TNG and DS9 (also wrote two episodes for Voyager)
-Co-created Battlestar Galactica: 2003 and Caprica
-Served as an executive producer and writer for the first season of Carnivále
Cons:
-Can get too wrapped up in the mythology of a show
-Can get to wrapped up the personal relationships of the characters

Bryan Fuller
Pros:
-Wrote several episodes of DS9 and Voyager
-Served as a co-excecutive producer and writer for Heroes during season 1
-Created the show Pushing Daisies
Cons:
?

David Simon
Pros:
-Wrote Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets, the book Homicide: Life on the Streets is based on.
-Co-created The Corner, The Wire, and Generation Kill
-Is the guy behind this quote:
My standard for verisimilitude is simple and I came to it when I started to write prose narrative: **** the average reader. I was always told to write for the average reader in my newspaper life. The average reader, as they meant it, was some suburban white subscriber with two-point-whatever kids and three-point-whatever cars and a dog and a cat and lawn furniture. He knows nothing and he needs everything explained to him right away, so that exposition becomes this incredible, story-killing burden. **** him.”
Cons:
-Has no experience with science fiction

Damian Kindler
Pros:
-Served as a writer for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis
-Created Sanctuary
Cons:
-Is busy with Sanctuary
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Yes, now THAT is an awesome list of people.

I'm not to confident with Emmerich considering that his most recent writing credits are The Day After Tomorrow, 10 000 BC, and 2012.

These guys are probably the ones I'd be okay with taking over the SG franchise, be it in movie television form.

Big screen movie(s):

Joss Whedon
Pros:
-Wrote and directed Serenity
-Co-wrote Titan A.E.
-Created Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse
-Has oodles of experience in working with science fiction
Cons:
-Wrote Alien: Resurrection

J.J. Abrams
Pros:
-Created and served as a writer and producer for Alias
-Co-created Lost and Fringe
-Directed Star Trek (2009)
-Has experience working with science fiction
Cons:
-Is responsible for the fifth season of Alias

Roberto Orci
Pros:
-Co-wrote and produced Star Trek (2009) and The Island
-Co-created Fringe
-Served as a writer and producer for Alias
-Has some experience working with science fiction
Cons:
-Co-wrote Mission: Impossible III
-Co-wrote Tranformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
-Co-wrote Tranformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen!!!!!!

Quentin Tarantino

Pros:
-Wrote and directed Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Death Proof, and Inglorious Bastards
Cons:
-Seems like a bit of an ass

Robert Rodriguez
Pros:
-Wrote and directed Desperado, Planet Terror, and Machete
-Directed Sin City
Cons:
-Wrote and directed the Spy Kids movies

New tv show:

Joss Whedon
See above

J.J. Abrams
See above

Roberto Orci
See above

Ronald D. Moore
Pros:
-Served as writer for TNG and DS9 (also wrote two episodes for Voyager)
-Co-created Battlestar Galactica: 2003 and Caprica
-Served as an executive producer and writer for the first season of Carnivále
Cons:
-Can get too wrapped up in the mythology of a show
-Can get to wrapped up the personal relationships of the characters

Bryan Fuller
Pros:
-Wrote several episodes of DS9 and Voyager
-Served as a co-excecutive producer and writer for Heroes during season 1
-Created the show Pushing Daisies
Cons:
?

David Simon
Pros:
-Wrote Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets, the book Homicide: Life on the Streets is based on.
-Co-created The Corner, The Wire, and Generation Kill
-Is the guy behind this quote:
Cons:
-Has no experience with science fiction

Damian Kindler
Pros:
-Served as a writer for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis
-Created Sanctuary
Cons:
-Is busy with Sanctuary

I trust everyone on that list to take a new Stargate into new adventures EXCEPT Ronald D Moore. Moore uses material and or ideas he did not create, and that is not a good thing when its your modus operandi. I think that he soaped up BSG and he admitted that Caprica was a soap. We need to keep all that away from Stargate and keep it about the pew pew and adventure and aliens and the Team. I am soooo not wanting to see shipping happening right off the bat, or any sex scenes thrown in for shock value. Let the canon and the characters be established first abd follow the example of the successful Stargate shows like SG-1 and Atlantis. Perhaps some steampunk from SGU in the appearance of things could go over very well, and the occasional music montage, but it cant be garage bands or vapid teeny music. They can never go wrong with an orchestral theme and music. :)
 

Jason1983

GateFans Noob
The Franchise needs to get back to basics.

I think that ANY talk about beinging Stargate back should start right away. But Im still biased against any teen angsty show like SGU was. Something fresh, but still like Stargate needs to happen. I think that encouraging MGM and the original creators of Stargate is a great place to start. :) Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin have already expressed interest in doing sequels. :)

The Stargate Franchise, I think needs to get back to its roots which is why a sequal to the original would be the best next move. Stargate is about ancient earth mythology. Atlantis was great but there really wasn't that much mythology...it was sort of its own entity. Still not sure what SGU is about.:icon_e_confused:e

The problem is it doesn't look like MGM is interested in doing a sequel right now. They just sort of got back on their feet fiscally and they're still selling off props from SG-1 and Atlantis. I'm thinking mabe Syfy could put the money forward to make it a tv movie or mini-series of the sequal. I think MGM is going to use alot of the 500million they got in credit to make the new bond movie. Quatum of Salace cost them 200million.
Anyway yeah I would definitely like to see a sequel if we built a campaign around that.
Kurt Russell even though he is like 59 I think could still pull off the roll. I mean if Harrison Ford can still play Indiana Jones at age 60 something then anything is possible. I think Micheal Shanks should be in it instead of James Spader. Spader has put on a few pounds and I don't think he really liked the first stargate movie.

@EvilSpaceAlien
Ha...hey I liked Tranformers 1 and 2!!! Why did everyone hate the second one so much?
I like Roberto Orci...he knows how to make fun television...for example he's working on the new Hawaii Five O right now.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
I agree somewhat.

The Stargate Franchise, I think needs to get back to its roots which is why a sequal to the original would be the best next move. Stargate is about ancient earth mythology. Atlantis was great but there really wasn't that much mythology...it was sort of its own entity. Still not sure what SGU is about.:icon_e_confused:e

The problem is it doesn't look like MGM is interested in doing a sequel right now. They just sort of got back on their feet fiscally and they're still selling off props from SG-1 and Atlantis. I'm thinking mabe Syfy could put the money forward to make it a tv movie or mini-series of the sequal. I think MGM is going to use alot of the 500million they got in credit to make the new bond movie. Quatum of Salace cost them 200million.
Anyway yeah I would definitely like to see a sequel if we built a campaign around that.
Kurt Russell even though he is like 59 I think could still pull off the roll. I mean if Harrison Ford can still play Indiana Jones at age 60 something then anything is possible. I think Micheal Shanks should be in it instead of James Spader. Spader has put on a few pounds and I don't think he really liked the first stargate movie.

@EvilSpaceAlien
Ha...hey I liked Tranformers 1 and 2!!! Why did everyone hate the second one so much?
I like Roberto Orci...he knows how to make fun television...for example he's working on the new Hawaii Five O right now.

I agree about Kurt Russell, since to me he has aged better the RDA and he is the original Jack O'Neil (yes, one "l"). Spader doesnt fit at all, but teaming Russell up with Michael Shanks could really do it! The name of Kurt Russell would have the same effect as they wanted Robert Carlyle to have in SGU, but it would WORK this time. ;). Shanks still makes the best Daniel.

As far as the Transformers 2 movie...are you freakin serious? :) That movie sucked harder than a Hoover with a supercharged motor. This scene alone was enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3o88DOj94I

And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZXzzXUYcl0

:facepalm:
 

Jason1983

GateFans Noob
Now thats good writing.

You have to admit though that those two scenes in the videos are somehow alot better than sgu.
 

heisenberg

Earl Grey
Been on this road before...

We have been through this road before...remember stargate atlantis? Remember how someone sent a box of oranges to was it MGM or Syfy network(can't remember which one).

Remember how we had introduced petitions(which I also participated in)over the internet and had close to 40,000 signatures and did MGM and TPTB listen?Hell I give hats off to those 2 people who protested outside the studio :D. I don't mean to be negative and all but I think protests/campaign(whatever you want to call it) won't influence the decision MGM make.Those currently in the executive board of MGM and Syfy have no clue what science fiction is.
Though, there is no harm in trying.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
I trust everyone on that list to take a new Stargate into new adventures EXCEPT Ronald D Moore. Moore uses material and or ideas he did not create, and that is not a good thing when its your modus operandi. I think that he soaped up BSG and he admitted that Caprica was a soap. We need to keep all that away from Stargate and keep it about the pew pew and adventure and aliens and the Team. I am soooo not wanting to see shipping happening right off the bat, or any sex scenes thrown in for shock value. Let the canon and the characters be established first abd follow the example of the successful Stargate shows like SG-1 and Atlantis. Perhaps some steampunk from SGU in the appearance of things could go over very well, and the occasional music montage, but it cant be garage bands or vapid teeny music. They can never go wrong with an orchestral theme and music. :)

You do have point, but RDM can write good stuff now and then. He could do okay as a staff writer with someone else running the place.

If I had to choose from my list, this would be the PTB of a new Stargate show. I'm excluding Tarantino and Rodriguez because I don't see them doing anything as long term as a tv show.

Executive Producer/Showrunner/Writer: Joss Whedon
Exec Prod./Writer: J.J. Abrams
Exec Prod./Writer: David Simon
Exec Prod./Writer: Damian Kindler
Staff writers:
Bryan Fuller
Roberto Orci
Ronald D. Moore
And maybe Doris Egan and Jane Espenson too since it's good to have a female perspective in the writer's room.

I'm okay with shipping but as you I want it to develop over time (or it can be a relationship already established before the show starts) and I have nothing against sex as long as there's a reason for having it on screen. I love instrumental music, and as a matter of fact I would also like to see Bear McCreary do the soundtrack for a new SG show. Joel Goldsmith is good (how can he not be, he has the same first name as me! :P) but McCreary is even better. But contemporary music is good too, and I don't mind it.

Do you count this as garage bands or vapid teen music, because it's something I wouldn't mind hearing on a tv show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NeoemQohY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0IoZW086-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsp3_a-PMTw

All of these talented people could do great things for Stargate.
@EvilSpaceAlien
Ha...hey I liked Tranformers 1 and 2!!! Why did everyone hate the second one so much?
I like Roberto Orci...he knows how to make fun television...for example he's working on the new Hawaii Five O right now.

....what Overmind said.
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
Well done!

You do have point, but RDM can write good stuff now and then. He could do okay as a staff writer with someone else running the place.

If I had to choose from my list, this would be the PTB of a new Stargate show. I'm excluding Tarantino and Rodriguez because I don't see them doing anything as long term as a tv show.

Executive Producer/Showrunner/Writer: Joss Whedon
Exec Prod./Writer: J.J. Abrams
Exec Prod./Writer: David Simon
Exec Prod./Writer: Damian Kindler
Staff writers:
Bryan Fuller
Roberto Orci
Ronald D. Moore
And maybe Doris Egan and Jane Espenson too since it's good to have a female perspective in the writer's room.

I'm okay with shipping but as you I want it to develop over time (or it can be a relationship already established before the show starts) and I have nothing against sex as long as there's a reason for having it on screen. I love instrumental music, and as a matter of fact I would also like to see Bear McCreary do the soundtrack for a new SG show. Joel Goldsmith is good (how can he not be, he has the same first name as me! :P) but McCreary is even better. But contemporary music is good too, and I don't mind it.

Do you count this as garage bands or vapid teen music, because it's something I wouldn't mind hearing on a tv show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NeoemQohY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0IoZW086-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsp3_a-PMTw

All of these talented people could do great things for Stargate.


....what Overmind said.

I actually like the way they did the music. They faded it in and out with dialogue. THAT is the way it could be done with an updated soundtrack. Music is a big part of the show. It wasnt at all overwhelming in those clips, and it worked very very well . :beckettu:
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
The second clip of the humping robot...

You have to admit though that those two scenes in the videos are somehow alot better than sgu.

When the humping robot came on the screen, I was with my nephew and I facepalmed. I almost walked out. But you are right, it was better than the jaw dropping WTF moment I had when I saw the broom closet scene in Air. :icon_e_wink:
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
forgot this bit..

I agree about Kurt Russell, since to me he has aged better the RDA and he is the original Jack O'Neil (yes, one "l"). Spader doesnt fit at all, but teaming Russell up with Michael Shanks could really do it! The name of Kurt Russell would have the same effect as they wanted Robert Carlyle to have in SGU, but it would WORK this time. ;). Shanks still makes the best Daniel.

I like Kurt Russell, but I have to say that I really wasn't a fan of his O'Neil since I watched the series before the movie and I actually didn't care much for the movie either.

I would be interested in seeing some kind of reboot of the franchise, with a blank slate and new actors. Though maybe a few guys from the movie and the tv series could be brought over as well, though maybe not as the same characters. If anyone has seen Death Proof, you know that Kurt Russell is great at playing psychotic lunatics so it'd be great to see him as some kind of villain. I really miss him being badass since nowadays it seems like he's only in dramas.

I actually like the way they did the music. They faded it in and out with dialogue. THAT is the way it could be done with an updated soundtrack. Music is a big part of the show. It wasnt at all overwhelming in those clips, and it worked very very well . :beckettu:

Yep. :)
 

Overmind One

GateFans Gatemaster
Staff member
I like that idea...sorta like they did with V

I like Kurt Russell, but I have to say that I really wasn't a fan of his O'Neil since I watched the series before the movie and I actually didn't care much for the movie either.

I would be interested in seeing some kind of reboot of the franchise, with a blank slate and new actors. Though maybe a few guys from the movie and the tv series could be brought over as well, though maybe not as the same characters. If anyone has seen Death Proof, you know that Kurt Russell is great at playing psychotic lunatics so it'd be great to see him as some kind of villain. I really miss him being badass since nowadays it seems like he's only in dramas.



Yep. :)

I like that idea, especially getting a new cast. Get people who carry the spirit of the originals (which happen to be the MOVIE characters :)). I understand how it must seem with you starting with the series first. I saw the movie first. But the season 1 Jack and Daniel were very close to the original. Thing is that Emmerich and Devlin didnt like SG-1 and wanted to take it in a different direction, so their vision is going to be different than that of Brad Wright and Glassener (mostly Wright after season 3). Kurt Russell would make an excellent bad guy, or even an aged Jack to play against a new younger Colonel (new character). Daniel could still be done by Michael Shanks, or even start over with him too using a different character with a different name? In V, Diana is there, but she is a different character and fits into the new show whilst retaining her former Queen status.

The music in SGU would just be slathered over the scene with no dialogue to break it up, and thus made you focus only on the music and it just wasnt done right. Those clips you showed had the music balanced perfectly with the video. :)
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
The Stargate Franchise, I think needs to get back to its roots which is why a sequal to the original would be the best next move. Stargate is about ancient earth mythology. Atlantis was great but there really wasn't that much mythology...it was sort of its own entity. Still not sure what SGU is about.:icon_e_confused:e

Just on the bolded bit here mate
Atlantis really is "Ancient earth mythology" insofar as the legends of an ancient advanced civilization that existed before "modern ancient history", the problem, mythologically speaking, is thier was not much really known about it besides that.
Atlantis offered the writers a way to really stretch out with the idea of the ancients, but they kept dropping the ball in that regard, and putting someone in charge for S4-5 who admits that they aren't fond of the whole "ancients deal" was a pretty dumb move imo.
 

EvilSpaceAlien

Sinister Swede
Yeah, just as long as V keeps those storylines about love and souls...

I was supposed to post this reply yesterday but it was delayed since I lost my internet connection. Damn those gremlins! :P

I like that idea, especially getting a new cast. Get people who carry the spirit of the originals (which happen to be the MOVIE characters ). I understand how it must seem with you starting with the series first. I saw the movie first. But the season 1 Jack and Daniel were very close to the original. Thing is that Emmerich and Devlin didnt like SG-1 and wanted to take it in a different direction, so their vision is going to be different than that of Brad Wright and Glassener (mostly Wright after season 3). Kurt Russell would make an excellent bad guy, or even an aged Jack to play against a new younger Colonel (new character). Daniel could still be done by Michael Shanks, or even start over with him too using a different character with a different name? In V, Diana is there, but she is a different character and fits into the new show whilst retaining her former Queen status.

The music in SGU would just be slathered over the scene with no dialogue to break it up, and thus made you focus only on the music and it just wasnt done right. Those clips you showed had the music balanced perfectly with the video.

Yeah I get that RE & DD didn't like SG1 because Glassner and Wright pretty much took something they created and turned it into something it was supposed to be, but at least I don't think that I would be very interested in seeing their version of the stories. I think Daniel should be played by a new guy as well, but Michael Shanks is great so maybe he could play a character that is connected to Daniel in some way, but you're idea is also great, we'd just have new Daniel with a different name and Shanks could keep playing Daniel.

Talking about this I actually find myself starting to think about who could play a new Jack or Daniel

For Jack I think that Brad Pitt or Woody Harrelson would do good work with the part, but one guy that would be an amazing O'Neill is Adam Baldwin. He would rival both Russell and Anderson. If you've seen him as Colonel John Casey in Chuck, you know he's great for the part. His Jack would probably be closer to the movie version, but still having some comedic elements.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47gT2fIRrqc

There's also a lot of possibilities for Daniel. I think Zach Braff, Jesse Eisenberg, and Zachary Levi would be great in the part because they can all pull of a nerdy character well.

Yeah, it's too bad really because SGU has a lot of good song choices but when they're so loud like they are in SGU they just annoy you. That's a shame because I still think SGU had some good musical choices, and I've even added a few songs to my phone as a result.
 

Illiterati

Council Member & Author
I agree about Kurt Russell, since to me he has aged better the RDA and he is the original Jack O'Neil (yes, one "l"). Spader doesnt fit at all, but teaming Russell up with Michael Shanks could really do it! The name of Kurt Russell would have the same effect as they wanted Robert Carlyle to have in SGU, but it would WORK this time. ;). Shanks still makes the best Daniel.

As far as the Transformers 2 movie...are you freakin serious? :) That movie sucked harder than a Hoover with a supercharged motor. This scene alone was enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3o88DOj94I

And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZXzzXUYcl0

:facepalm:
They had RDA last week on Fairly Legal. He's still looking a bit poofy in the face.

It's got me wondering if he's on long-term prednisone, as that stuff also made Jerry Lewis get puffy as well.

Just a thought.

But yes. Kurt has aged very well -- and I'm saying that from a different space than being the dirty old lady that I am.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
They had RDA last week on Fairly Legal. He's still looking a bit poofy in the face.

It's got me wondering if he's on long-term prednisone, as that stuff also made Jerry Lewis get puffy as well.

Just a thought.

But yes. Kurt has aged very well -- and I'm saying that from a different space than being the dirty old lady that I am.

Ack! Prednisone! For me that stuff was the devil. :puke:
 
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