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YJ02

YJ02

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Overmind One said:
That is bullshit. Gene Roddenberry was not an anti-Semite or a racist. He and Nichelle Nichols had an affair which started in 1963 and went until he married Majel Barrett. But the writers of DS9 (and in TNG before it) may have been creating the Ferengi to mock Jews. Instead of big noses, they had big ears. The material based culture, Rules of Aquisition, etc. Roddenberry did not even create the Ferengi.
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The Ferengi "statement" always struck me as an anti-capitalist one.
 
Overmind One

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Jim of WVa said:
When were the Ferengi introduced in TNG? I believe it was when he was still alive.
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1987. The episode was "The Last Outpost". Roddenberry died in 1991. But he did not write the Ferengi race into canon, nor did he conceive of them. The writers of TNG did.
 
Joelist

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Guess it's one of those opinion things. Me, I did not like DS9 at all. It wasn't just the soapiness. Avery Brooks was horrible in his role with his constant histrionic overacting, the whole Dominion War story had logic problems you could drive a truck through and all in all the show was way too dark, cynical and brooding in its tone.

Ironically these are some of the same problems that ultimately ruined this year's Star Trek Into Darkness. They soaped it up too much with Uhura/Spock and forgot all about a big reason Trek 09 worked - it wasn't dark and brooding. Plus the story seemed to have been written in random segments then mixed up.
 
Bluce Ree

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Joelist said:
Guess it's one of those opinion things. Me, I did not like DS9 at all. It wasn't just the soapiness. Avery Brooks was horrible in his role with his constant histrionic overacting, the whole Dominion War story had logic problems you could drive a truck through and all in all the show was way too dark, cynical and brooding in its tone.
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I could not, and, in fact, did not, put it better myself. :)

Ironically these are some of the same problems that ultimately ruined this year's Star Trek Into Darkness. They soaped it up too much with Uhura/Spock and forgot all about a big reason Trek 09 worked - it wasn't dark and brooding. Plus the story seemed to have been written in random segments then mixed up.
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I think Abrams had already checked out and was filming Star Wars in his head by the time this movie hit production.
 
Joelist

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Lawrence Fishburne would have been a cool Starfleet Captain. Just look at this and picture him in such a role:

 
Overmind One

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Bluce Ree said:
He's a really good actor. I would buy him as a captain.
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He would have made a MUCH better Captain Sisko...and his take on being The Emmisary would probably have been much better. I can picture him facing off with Martok in that fancy office of his, tossing that baseball from one hand to the other. :)
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OMNI said:
SoH tu'lu'bogh jIHvaD taHtaHghach!!
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Gesundheit!
 
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Joelist

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And suddenly the tone changes as he shows Martok a red pill and a blue pill...
 
Overmind One

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yongjin02 said:
Just more proof that money and a successful parent do not make for "happiness" and good decisions on the part of the child.

On the other hand

My libertarianism says, so what? If she wants to do this then let it be. Make sure she pays her taxes.
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A porn star with a Wiki just seems wrong to me. :) Why not also add Pookie from Compton or Lil Stabba from Detroit to Wikipedia too, laying out their illustrious careers as thugs and street dealers? :anim_59:
 
shavedape

shavedape

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Joelist said:
Guess it's one of those opinion things. Me, I did not like DS9 at all. It wasn't just the soapiness. Avery Brooks was horrible in his role with his constant histrionic overacting, the whole Dominion War story had logic problems you could drive a truck through and all in all the show was way too dark, cynical and brooding in its tone.

Ironically these are some of the same problems that ultimately ruined this year's Star Trek Into Darkness. They soaped it up too much with Uhura/Spock and forgot all about a big reason Trek 09 worked - it wasn't dark and brooding. Plus the story seemed to have been written in random segments then mixed up.
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I would tend to agree although I would point out that Avery Brooks, while having moments of histrionic overacting, tended to sleep walk his way through scenes, or so I thought. He was truly terrible in that role.

And the Dominion War was trifling and lame. It didn't seem like the culmination of a 5-year story arc but rather, just a tedious and irritating story line that should have been kept to an episode or two, if that.
 
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