Wright blames fans... and so it begins

[Robbie_Rocket_Pants]

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My how times have changed. MGM may ask him to do the films after all, since Brad became an arrogant idiot and derailed MGM's successful Stargate franchise because he was out of ideas and bored. What an arrogant, self-absorbed moron!

I would love for 2, 3 or 4 new films to be made with Kurt Russell & James Spader (if not for their acting prowess, for the direction in which they might be able to take the franchise).

(Yes, that's right! I would prefer sequels to the original movie over SGU any day fo the week).

 

[Overmind One]

Well, perhaps behind the scenes?

I would love for 2, 3 or 4 new films to be made with Kurt Russell & James Spader (if not for their acting prowess, for the direction in which they might be able to take the franchise).

(Yes, that's right! I would prefer sequels to the original movie over SGU any day fo the week).

If you watch Boston Legal, you know that Spader is no longer suited to play Daniel. And have you seen Kurt Russel lately on the screen? :redface:. I dont want them to be used just because they were the original actors. We need to be able to continue well into the future and using Spader and Russel would be like Trek did by keeping Kirk after he became fat and old. The needed a new Kirk and a new crew...no disrespect to their original performances tho!

But a couple of new movies would successfully reboot the franchise. And I dont mean SG-1 or Atlantis movies, I mean sequels to the ORIGINAL movie.

 

[Fizz]

Eh, I'm not sure I would want sequels to the movie now, I like it well enough and accept it as canon etc. I just don't think I could watch a Jack and Daniel who've never been on SG1 with Carter and Teal'c at this point.

I'm not sure they'll ever be made, at least with Devlin and Emmerich, they've been talking about this for a decade almost and nothings happened. I also can't see James Spader rushing to return to the role as he didn't seem to like it much and it would be about 20 years ago by the time anything was made, a bit too long for direct sequels IMHO. I agree though that as MGMs 2nd most successful franchise, someone sooner or later will do another reboot or series, and I hope to hell it isn't the present team.

 

[Robbie_Rocket_Pants]

If you watch Boston Legal, you know that Spader is no longer suited to play Daniel. And have you seen Kurt Russel lately on the screen? :redface:. I dont want them to be used just because they were the original actors. We need to be able to continue well into the future and using Spader and Russel would be like Trek did by keeping Kirk after he became fat and old. The needed a new Kirk and a new crew...no disrespect to their original performances tho!

But a couple of new movies would successfully reboot the franchise. And I dont mean SG-1 or Atlantis movies, I mean sequels to the ORIGINAL movie.

I can't honestly say I have seen those two guys in anything recent but I reserve my judgement until I actually have seen them.

 

[Illiterati]

At this late date, yes, it wouldn't be good to have Russell and Spader reprise their roles.

That said, the end of Stargate was about O'Neil working through his son's death and wanting to live again. The reason he'd been chosen to lead the expedition the first place was that he was well aware that it was a suicide mission and he believed he had nothing for which to live. And in Skaara, he realized he was wrong.

I'm not sure what sequels would bring to Stargate the movie. Would O'Neil fall back into his emotional hole? Why? He was already fairly monosyllabic when it came to dealing with other people...

 

[geijin]

The only way I could see Spader/Russell being able to reprise the roles is to make them the leadership characters, as in Hammond and post-star General O'Niell. They would have command authority but not go on missions. My concern is that if they do sequels and jump over the SG1/SGA story, it's going to feel like a let down. Spader and Russell pioneered the characters in the movie, but the SG1/SGA cast brought them to life. To me, it would be like making a MASH sequel using the cast from the movie, and ignoring everything that happened in the TV series. It just wouldn't be the same.

 

[Illiterati]

The only way I could see Spader/Russell being able to reprise the roles is to make them the leadership characters, as in Hammond and post-star General O'Niell. They would have command authority but not go on missions. My concern is that if they do sequels and jump over the SG1/SGA story, it's going to feel like a let down. Spader and Russell pioneered the characters in the movie, but the SG1/SGA cast brought them to life. To me, it would be like making a MASH sequel using the cast from the movie, and ignoring everything that happened in the TV series. It just wouldn't be the same.

RDA brought a good sense of humor, self-deprecation and an extra "L" to SG1. Russell O'Neil was pretty much humorless. SG1 and SGA are essentially about family and how family can transcend species and cultures.

As for M*A*S*H, you should try reading the original novel by Richard Hooker (a pseudonym) and the many sequels by William E Butterworth. Interesting differences in style. Starting with M*A*S*H Goes to Maine, the non-military sequels take place pretty much in Hawkeye's hometown in Maine (or use it as a base of sorts).

At least the books didn't extend the Korean War from two to eleven years in length, or turn into the Hawkeye Pierce Ego and Savior of the World Association.

 

[Overmind One]

I like that idea.

The only way I could see Spader/Russell being able to reprise the roles is to make them the leadership characters, as in Hammond and post-star General O'Niell. They would have command authority but not go on missions. My concern is that if they do sequels and jump over the SG1/SGA story, it's going to feel like a let down. Spader and Russell pioneered the characters in the movie, but the SG1/SGA cast brought them to life. To me, it would be like making a MASH sequel using the cast from the movie, and ignoring everything that happened in the TV series. It just wouldn't be the same.

I like that idea, using Spader and Russel in different roles later in the timeline as leaders. The movie was not about the team so much as it was about discovering the stargate and the network of gates in the MW. SG-1 fleshed out that whole thing, and the sequels should be something more along the lines of a new SG-1. Atlantis could be part of that too.

 

[podbaydoors]

I have the feeling that all of our hoping for sequels, new series and movies is just wishful thinking. BW & associates have done real damage to the franchise with SGU and their own attitudes. They've allowed it to dwindle into this pitiful reflection of the original movie and series. I wonder what RE and DD think of SGU? What about Glassner? I have an idea what RDA might think, but he's too much of a gentleman to say.

In fact, the franchise has been declining in popularity ever since it peaked with S8 of SG-1 and S1 of SGA, at least according to the ratings and the people who organized Gatecon.

The Stargate magazine has folded, GateCon is no more, even Stargate Fan Awards for fan-created writing and art seems to have disappeared. I recognize that the fans who participate in these things are few in number compared with the general viewing public, but they are a reflection of the general interest out there.

It seemed to me that what I heard about the next SG-1 movie sounded like it was going to be along the lines of classic Stargate (I think BW on some level realizes that's where the money is), and I was really looking forward to that. But I think that, or any other incarnation of Stargate, is about as likely as a snowball in hell.

A complete reboot is what's needed, and I just don't think that's likely. At least not for many, many years.

 

[Overmind One]

I felt that way about Star Trek

Eh, I'm not sure I would want sequels to the movie now, I like it well enough and accept it as canon etc. I just don't think I could watch a Jack and Daniel who've never been on SG1 with Carter and Teal'c at this point.

I'm not sure they'll ever be made, at least with Devlin and Emmerich, they've been talking about this for a decade almost and nothings happened. I also can't see James Spader rushing to return to the role as he didn't seem to like it much and it would be about 20 years ago by the time anything was made, a bit too long for direct sequels IMHO. I agree though that as MGMs 2nd most successful franchise, someone sooner or later will do another reboot or series, and I hope to hell it isn't the present team.

I thought that way about Star Trek, but then TNG came out, and then three more series. And now I am in love with a whole new Trek rebooted by the 2009 movie...but I have been a Trek fan since 1966, so....its possible they might do something you like.

 

[SG-Rocks]

From what I've read today it looks like the fans are starting to clue into that fake-out over the movies. I can see SGoo being trashed and them on their knees pleading us to buy into their movie pitch next. It's possible they would be made with MGM's re-organization.

As far as a theatric release, yeah, Kurt Russell is far to gone, like say Harrison Ford. Maybe they can get Snake Pliskin. And would RDA/O'Neill be the prick from SGoo? I can handle the SGoo Daniel but I sure didn't take to prick O'Neill. Like Star Trek the whole thing would have to redone from scratch. A theatrical sequel should have nothing to do with the TV show or the Bridge producers.

Pretty clear these guys messed up from the moment I read the words "younger hipper" on the net well before it aired. They just don't get it.

 

[Illiterati]

I can handle the SGoo Daniel but I sure didn't take to prick O'Neill.

I don't like or agree with the depiction of EvilJack.

I keep telling myself it O'Neil from yet another alternate reality.

As for the bait and switch that the Idiots are attempting, I can see it as "we're so very sorry, but despite all our entreaties to TPTB in response to your strong and continued support of SGU, we were unable to convince them to do another SG1 or SGA movie. Please forgive us. You know we've always been in your court!"

 

[Overmind One]

Ah HAHAHAHA!!!!

Well, that might help with the other current hostage situation:

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Cheers.

:rotflmao::laughing::rotflmao::laughing:

I just cant believe that Brad Wright is almost demanding our support. We are not only holding the fans hostage and actively hurting SGU, but we must be also jamming the signal for people's remote controls and manipulating programming schedules and slipping in scenes to the show that dont belong. :icon_lol:

If V had run as originally scheduled in November, he might have had somewhat of an excuse (although I would still ridicule him for saying V would be nothing but a letter in the alphabet). But he has NOTHING. The only explanation for the failure of Stargate Universe is its writers, creators and producers and a whole string of VERY bad choices. They are getting exactly what they deserve!

:mallozzicry:

I am going to make a crying Brad smiley tonight to keep Mozzie company. Brad's head is hard to make into a smiley! I have to get the face right.

What does Robert Cooper have to say about these latest events?

 

[Rac80]

You'll have to let us know the response you get, dear Rac80.

HA! well my post at the syfy forums has gone as has snookie's mention of it at GW. no surprises there but I can only hope Idiotboy (oh I love that name my friend! ) got to read it so I will leave it here for him to read.

Rac80, you're an awesome villainess & my heroine! (especially the chocolate part!)

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ty ty...calorie free chocolate is my holy grail.

 

[Overmind One]

One new Crying Brad smiley down, one Cooper smiley to go!

Fans tried to tell them before they even made SGU that it was a mistake, but they wouldn't listen. Fans told them to complete SGA and then re-work their idea for SGU but they thought they knew better, well it turns out that they didn't.

That Brad smiley will be nice. You should make one of Rob too to round it out. I don't know that Rob's said anything lately since he's "stepping back" but he's already said enough like the others have said enough. The comments that he made about SGU and its cast being better than SGA/SG-1 and those casts was pretty bad...

Cheers.

All these tears and whining...

:bradcry: :mallozzicry: Like peas in a pod. :rotflmao: I think I should work on a BJS smiley that purses its lips and nods. That would be a challenge! :icon_lol: I will work on Cooper, but his will have to be something other than crying, since he bailed. Perhaps him running away?

 

[Overmind One]

Okay, here is our brand new COWARDLY COOPER smiley!

Great Brad Wright smiley. And a Cooper smiley running away would be cool!

I was going to make a running Cooper smiley first, but since he slinked away when things got tough, I decided to make him slink instead. But I can still work on a running away smiley Here he is!

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His replacement is :robertcooper; (replace semi-colon at end with a colon. Enjoy!

If anyone is wondering, I am using Macromedia Fireworks to create these smileys, and I use the size od 31x31 and then work with a digital pencil at 800% to create (or modify) the faces. Once I have the basic smiley, I add frames for an animated .gif and use a 3-frame break between changes to give movement. Then, I export the animated .gif at notmal size, and VOILA!

 

[Overmind One]

Oh my...it is published elsewhere too

Here is the same article published elsewhere...time for more responses :facepalm:

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/b...ht-sg-1-atlantis-fans-hurt-stargate-universe/

This is also the site that contains the production notes and synopses that I read to get a feel for future episodes. What a piece of work. Just...:facepalm:

 

[SG-Rocks]

Link Roundup

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/b...ht-sg-1-atlantis-fans-hurt-stargate-universe/

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/opinion-atlantis-fans-need-to-stop-punishing-universe/

http://popculturezoo.com/archives/7274

http://amplicate.com/hate/sgu

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/11/0...ame-for-lousy-stargate-universe-ratings/71114

http://hubpages.com/hub/Stargate-Universe-Sucks-and-they-know-it

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286039/usercomments?filter=chrono

 

[Tropicana]

I was reading through Pop Culture Zoo and in relation to Jenks comment -

...the show has undoubted quality, and is probably the best and certainly most true to the genre piece of science fiction on television today.

I disagree.

From dictionary.com, science-fiction is defined as, "a literary genre that makes imaginative use of scientific knowledge or conjecture".

Mind you, soap-opera is defined as, "a radio or television series depicting the interconnected lives of many characters often in a sentimental, melodramatic way." - sounds familiar?


SGU does not make imaginative use of scientific knowledge or conjecture at all (it tries to avoid it whenever possible cos as TPTB keeps reminding us, they do not want SGU to be like SG-1/SGA - i.e. with the techno-babble or focus on the ship's technology). So therefore IMO, SGU is not "the best" nor is it "certainly the most true to the genre piece of science fiction on television today", since it's more soap-opera than science-fiction.

But fair play to him, he didn't try to troll bait, unlike Jess there. Overmind One made a good reply and I doubt Jess would have a comeback to that.

 

[Nani]

:rotflmao::laughing::rotflmao::laughing:

I just cant believe that Brad Wright is almost demanding our support. We are not only holding the fans hostage and actively hurting SGU, but we must be also jamming the signal for people's remote controls and manipulating programming schedules and slipping in scenes to the show that dont belong. :icon_lol:

If V had run as originally scheduled in November, he might have had somewhat of an excuse (although I would still ridicule him for saying V would be nothing but a letter in the alphabet). But he has NOTHING. The only explanation for the failure of Stargate Universe is its writers, creators and producers and a whole string of VERY bad choices. They are getting exactly what they deserve!

:mallozzicry:

I am going to make a crying Brad smiley tonight to keep Mozzie company. Brad's head is hard to make into a smiley! I have to get the face right.

What does Robert Cooper have to say about these latest events?

If anyone has link to an interview with Rob Copper where he is pig-headed and insulting, I'd like to see it. Of all producers/writers, I find he's the most aligned with the fans' vision of Stargate & he's responsible for some of the best SG-1 and SGA episodes (The Fifth Race, Heroes, Sateda, and Vegas are on top of my list). I also know from a very reliable source that he wanted to move on from Stargate and on to new projects after the second SG-1 movie was released. The higher PTB must have offered him some fantastic incentives to persuade him to stay.