Star Trek 2009 - The saddest part of this movie ...

[Bluce Ree]

... is Nero blowing up a perfectly good beer brewery right at the beginning of the movie.

I had no idea beer could spark, explode and cause so many casualties.

Notice how the brewery employees are dressed in very formal uniforms just to brew beer. This employee obviously just spotted a leak and is radioing maintenance to plug it up:




As Nero attacks the ship, the brewery is the first to suffer the effects of damage and destruction, with bursting steam pipes and employees free-falling from the upper walkways:



For some unexplained reason, this brewery has a big-ass door that opens into bare space. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be fired, which I'm sure is a thought shared by the employee flying out that door in this scene:



Here we see Montgomery Scott at his post in the brewery, being the typical Scottsman, stationed wherever booze is to be found:



This is how Scotty sees the world as a perpetual drunk. Notice how visually distorted his friends look through his eyes, which is far from today's "beer goggles" effect that normally improves others' looks through one's eyes:



It's obvious that beer somehow plays a very important part in humanity's future and its quest to reach the stars in Abram's universe. Gene Roddenberry was a true visionary, so, there's no doubt that this movie had little to do with Roddenberry's vision since none of the original series had ships stocked with their own on-board breweries.

Anyone else notice Ron Perlman's cameo (Clary Morrow from Sons of Anarchy) in the bar scene, between Uhura and Kirk?

 

[Overmind One]

OMG Bluce, you're gonna love this!

Wow, did you have this on point or what?

http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/star-treks-engineering-deck-brewery/

" I was convinced that portions of the movie — the engineering deck — were filmed inside a large brewery. Sitting in the darkened theater back in May, I remember thinking it looked a lot like Anheuser-Busch’s brewery in Fort Collins. But I forgot about it until last night, when I re-watched the film on DVD. It turns out I was half-right. It was filmed in a large Anheuser-Busch brewery, but it was the one in Van Nuys, California (which in retrospect makes sense, since it’s closer to Hollywood)."

BAHAHAHA! You have been right all along!

That particular brewery used to be the home of Busch Gardens years ago. I had been to it many times. The brewery is still active. This is Scotty after almost "drowning" in a vat of beer...er....one of the "warp cores".



Why so happy, Scotty?!

 

[Joelist]

Yes they used a brewery for the engineering scenes. Considering how outstanding the rest of the film was in more important things (like getting the mood, characters and feel of Trek right) I can forgive them this.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I like the way they did the launch-into-warp effect, which more closely resembles what one would see according to the theory. Warp shortens space in front of and stretches it behind the ship. Theoretically, space moves and the ship is static. The effect one would see as they transition into warp is an almost immediate stretching effect of light in front rather than a gradual acceleration as we've seen in Star Trek's previous incarnations.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I wish they'd had a real foreign accent consultant on set for Chekov to train him better with that Russian accent rather than try winging it like they did. Russians pronounce "W" as "V", not the other way around (i.e. "Vashington" instead of "Washington").

 

[Bluce Ree]

Wow, did you have this on point or what?

http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/star-treks-engineering-deck-brewery/

" I was convinced that portions of the movie — the engineering deck — were filmed inside a large brewery. Sitting in the darkened theater back in May, I remember thinking it looked a lot like Anheuser-Busch’s brewery in Fort Collins. But I forgot about it until last night, when I re-watched the film on DVD. It turns out I was half-right. It was filmed in a large Anheuser-Busch brewery, but it was the one in Van Nuys, California (which in retrospect makes sense, since it’s closer to Hollywood)."

BAHAHAHA! You have been right all along!

That particular brewery used to be the home of Busch Gardens years ago. I had been to it many times. The brewery is still active. This is Scotty after almost "drowning" in a vat of beer...er....one of the "warp cores".

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Why so happy, Scotty?!

He's probably smiling because everyone looks like this to him:



I'd be laughing my ass off inside, too, if you all looked like that to me.

 

[shavedape]

Bluce, you are the evil genius of GateFans. :biggrin-new:

I'm pissing myself laughing over how you were actually spot on about the brewery aspects of the ship. If only I could green you again but alas I must spread the love first.

 

[Overmind One]

Bluce, you are the evil genius of GateFans. :biggrin-new:

I'm pissing myself laughing over how you were actually spot on about the brewery aspects of the ship. If only I could green you again but alas I must spread the love first.

He has been calling it "the brewery" from day one!

I never in a million years thought he might actually be correct. I thought they just had horribly bad set design, but he specifically said it looked like a brewery :biggrin-new: Then again, did he already know?

http://www.gatefans.net/gforums/showthread.php/2010-Not-So-Recommended-Thread?p=47928#post47928

Did you already know that Bluce?

 

[Joelist]

I imagine he did. I did - Trekmovie had mentioned it before the film came out.

 

[Overmind One]

I imagine he did. I did - Trekmovie had mentioned it before the film came out.

Okay, now I am waiting to hear which Apple store they used for the bridge.

 

[SciphonicStranger]

I remember the old days when they used to actually build sets. Maybe Star Trek 2 will have enough funding to fix these things.

 

[Overmind One]

I imagine he did. I did - Trekmovie had mentioned it before the film came out.

Yes, he definitely did! He posted the same link I did:

http://www.gatefans.net/gforums/showthread.php/2010-Not-So-Recommended-Thread?p=47994#post47994



Why didnt they use a hydroelectric plant or even a power substation? Better still would have been to use green screen to create a proper engineering deck. How will the dimensions of the current brewery/engineering fit into the design of the Abrams Enterprise? I am going to look for design floorplans if they exist for the new ship.

EDIT: I found this http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/new-enterprise.php and there are no drawings which show the inside of the ship.

 

[shavedape]

So basically Abrams thought he could get away with filming in a brewery??? Don't get me wrong, I like the movie a lot, but the sets are the one area I really have an issue with. I even found Nero's ship to be woefully blah in terms of aesthetics.

 

[Joelist]

IIRC they got hit with budget issues late in filming and the engineering scenes were among the last filmed. The intent was to give the engineering area more of an industrial appearance. But they had to go get a place to shoot as funds to custom build a set were not forthcoming.

Nero's ship on the other hand was intended to look like it does - a grungy working ship with no creature comforts. This is of course an area where we differ; I did not have that big an issue with the visuals and the places where they did miss to me (like the engine room) I could forgive because the characterization and writing were strong. After watching the Trek franchise veer completely off the rails and kill itself this film was a major pleasant surprise - it felt "Trek".

 

[Joelist]

Oh, and it appears the fan rumors got shot down - the villain in the new film apparently will not be Khan.

 

[Bluce Ree]

He has been calling it "the brewery" from day one!

I never in a million years thought he might actually be correct. I thought they just had horribly bad set design, but he specifically said it looked like a brewery :biggrin-new: Then again, did he already know?

http://www.gatefans.net/gforums/showthread.php/2010-Not-So-Recommended-Thread?p=47928#post47928

Did you already know that Bluce?

There's an earlier post I made where I said that engineering looked like "a beer factory", which was prior to that thread. When I made that post, I had found an article stating it was a brewery.

When I first saw the movie, the first comment I made about engineering during the movie was that it looked like a damned beer factory. I had no idea it really was one until I found that article.

 

[Bluce Ree]

IIRC they got hit with budget issues late in filming and the engineering scenes were among the last filmed. The intent was to give the engineering area more of an industrial appearance. But they had to go get a place to shoot as funds to custom build a set were not forthcoming.

I get that but why perpetuate that shortcoming by making the "warp core" (singular) actually a bunch of cores that seemed to spring out from different areas of the ship? And that brings up another silly question. If the ships now have multiple cores, why did they have to eject them all? Why not keep one?

Nero's ship on the other hand was intended to look like it does - a grungy working ship with no creature comforts. This is of course an area where we differ; I did not have that big an issue with the visuals and the places where they did miss to me (like the engine room) I could forgive because the characterization and writing were strong. After watching the Trek franchise veer completely off the rails and kill itself this film was a major pleasant surprise - it felt "Trek".

Nero's ship had all these unnecessary high-rise walkways that seemed to be suspended over a giant bottomless pit. It was a bit too cliché.

 

[Bluce Ree]

One thing I can't take away from JJ Abrams is that the man knows how to put together a trailer. Out of the three ST:2009 trailers, this has to be the best damned Star Trek trailer ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0xaCB2nLS0

My two favorite scenes are when Pike says to Kirk that his father was captain of a star ship for 12 minutes and, of course, the epic moment when Kirk sits in the captain's chair for the first time. The scenes and dialogue were perfectly spliced and the music selected couldn't have been more perfect.

When I first saw this trailer on my Mac (yeah, I have a big 20" Mac), I was so caught up in it I kept playing it over and over. It was one of those few times I can remember when I was excited about a movie and the release date wouldn't come soon enough.

 

[lady_maneth]

The brewery engine room was a bit silly, although I really enjoyed the movie in spite of it. But those chasms in Nero's ship were a bit too much for me.

 

[Graybrew1]

Sulu was too skinny but a great actor.