YJ02
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Delays on top of delays due to "too many animal deaths"
Rings of Power Season 2
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Lord Ba'al
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Gives me some time to watch season 1 I suppose, lol. Still haven't seen even a glimpse of it.
Have you seen it yet? If not, I will be curious about your reactions to it!
Lord Ba'al
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Ehm... no... lol... That's what I just said.
Yes, I see that up there, sorry!
Atlantis
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Ummmm the execution of the dialogue is terrible.
Btw new Gollum movies directed by Peter Jackson
Probably worse. Less money.
This show may have been the reason for the death of the "standard" two-season contract that shows used to get. Now, it's just one season at a time. This show should not have gotten a second season IMO.
I don't think the article really gets the writing problem - the way Sauron and Galadriel were written was wrong. Basically Galadriel was the antagonist and Sauron the protagonist the goofy way they were written. Not to mention the orcs were portrayed as sort of an oppressed people.
YJ02
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Orcs ARE oppressed by their very nature and by the manner of their original defilement / "creation"
The entire "Orc chain of command" for shorthand- must continue oppression top down (Morgoth or Sauron down the ranks ) to ensure compliance to orders and violence of action when Orcs are put to service
where ALL the movies and this show gets things wrong so much is that Morgoth and Sauron did not trust the Orcs; they trusted men. Men were seen as reliable allies and tools for conquest by them. Men have envy and greed which can be manipulated; Orcs have eternal pain and suffering and for the oldest of them- the memory of what they once were- Elves. Why they mainly only be compelled to action by oppression, pain, promise of food, etc
Peter Jackson and the people who do this show did not / do not seem to know how to portray that concept on screen.
Atlantis
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Don't you mean chaotic random? Because it doesn't know where the show is heading neither do the producers. How can we get the writing better? For me the special affects do play a part of me not watching the show not just the writing. Also the dialogue and their use of intonation is horrendous and the words and they are being spoken by these so called actors need to go back to acting school because they lack conviction and the execution is poor.
This is what I call acting.
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YJ02
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i DO NOT disagree, for argument's sake (only) though, the writers of this show can easily say that there is so much blank space for them to fill. and they would be 100% correct
and Galadriel, being long lived, having come from Eldamar, was subject to many massive personality changes, all that would fit into the Elvish stages of life that Tolkien described. The one we see her in LOTR's is her Elder phase; very mature even more so because of the weight she bears from having a Ring of power on top of the weight her family bears for things like the Kinslaying and the Oath of Feanor ALL culminating and coming to bear on her
in this time period of the show-- again ONLY for the sake of argument-- she could easily be in a rebellious and young adult youthful phase. Trying to find redemption for her choices and for her families involvement with Feanor by becoming immersed in the things we see her involved in
the biggest issue with her character actually, is usually not brought up by many-- she SHOULD be married by now to Celeborn. The two have know one another, and without looking it up, I think they have been married, per Tolkien, since the First Age. In various Tolkien writings, we see the two of them wandering around middle earth in the 2nd age and at times they are apart.. so that gives the writers cover as well ,, but only just
Sauron.. he still has the power to appear as anyone or nearly anything at this point in time; he has not yet put so much of his being into the One Ring yet or the foundations of the Barad Dur. It is even possible that through either his use of magic or necromancy (he is called a necromancer by Tolkien, as well as a werewolf and vampire ) that he could be in possession of two living bodies at one time.
So why we could see him both as the shipwrecked dude, and, per the timeline, he would of HAD TO BE in Eregion working with Celebrimbor as Annatar working on designing and crafting the Rings (the show has the time order of their creation out of whack too-- but it is also greatly condensing the time line of the whole second age)
Sauron will not begin to lose his shape shifting powers until he captured as Annatar by the Numenoreans and brought to their Island where he will become the high advisor (like an evil version of the biblical Joseph) to the king- leading them to human sacrifice and rejection of the Valar. He will lose that body when Numenor is sunk
anyhow.. the BIGGEST issue really is that "space wizard" --NO wizard was sent to Middle Earth via meteor, they all came by ship from Valinor. The time setting is ok- esp since they are time condensing the 2nd age- for the Blue Wizards and since this guy wants to go to the East, he is probably one of them.. just makes no sense why they would have one of them in the show
but anyways.... we will see what we see
YJ02
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well thats why i am pointing out that Tolkien wrote they were sometimes together and sometimes apart; so the writers can easily say, if asked, this was a time when they were apart
this is what happens when people get the rights to make a movie/series from what is essentially a outline, one with a good amount of details, but still an outline of a story. Tolkien never wrote a complete story on all of the second age. what he did write was mostly about Numeanor, but there are still a lot of holes in that as well
however, if we see 'orgies and debauchery most evil' like human sacrifice on Numeanor in the series, Tolkien wrote that about Sauron, as Annatar, taking power there. i am sure the writers will make full use of that
Atlantis
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Here is the trailer it looks like a generic soundtrack
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9fsBy45YTQ
YJ02
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how to tell that a YT "reactor" actually knows little to nothing about Tolkien
this video is a GREAT example of that
I have not watched any of S2 yet, so not sure what this scene is exactly, but...
TOLKIEN HIMSELF wrote, many times "the Orcs breed after the fashion of the Children of Iluvatar"
thats Elves and Men. Given that and the "fact" that Orcs are stated be originally defiled Elves and Men, it only follows that these defiled Elves and Men would continue to breed in the same manner as the race they were taken from. Which is, mating in pairs
What appears to be depicted is in keeping with what Tolkien wrote. I guess these reactors' knowledge is limited to the movies or just the Hobbit and LOTR's books, If they HAD read it all- silmarillion, history of middle earth,etc- they would know what Tolkien put in print about where the orcs came from and how they reproduce
neither Morgoth or Saurun could create life, they could only defile what already existed. therefore they could not "create" Orcs, only torture defile and corrupt what was already alive- Elves and Men
the baby being held, if they show it, unless Tolkien believed in Lamarkism- where the child inherits the adaptive physical changes of the parent, and therefore also scars of war and torture- then the child SHOULD be a unblemished one; Elf or Man. only to be tortured and corrupted in appearance and attitude later in life
actually if these 'reactors' did know written Tolkien then they would know that Jackson got it wrong when he depicted Saruman "creating" Uruk Hai from that soupy muck. In the books, the U-H were bred by mixing more man like Orcs with Human Dunlending (wild men) women.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqyKZWP1BC4
this video is a GREAT example of that
I have not watched any of S2 yet, so not sure what this scene is exactly, but...
TOLKIEN HIMSELF wrote, many times "the Orcs breed after the fashion of the Children of Iluvatar"
thats Elves and Men. Given that and the "fact" that Orcs are stated be originally defiled Elves and Men, it only follows that these defiled Elves and Men would continue to breed in the same manner as the race they were taken from. Which is, mating in pairs
What appears to be depicted is in keeping with what Tolkien wrote. I guess these reactors' knowledge is limited to the movies or just the Hobbit and LOTR's books, If they HAD read it all- silmarillion, history of middle earth,etc- they would know what Tolkien put in print about where the orcs came from and how they reproduce
neither Morgoth or Saurun could create life, they could only defile what already existed. therefore they could not "create" Orcs, only torture defile and corrupt what was already alive- Elves and Men
the baby being held, if they show it, unless Tolkien believed in Lamarkism- where the child inherits the adaptive physical changes of the parent, and therefore also scars of war and torture- then the child SHOULD be a unblemished one; Elf or Man. only to be tortured and corrupted in appearance and attitude later in life
actually if these 'reactors' did know written Tolkien then they would know that Jackson got it wrong when he depicted Saruman "creating" Uruk Hai from that soupy muck. In the books, the U-H were bred by mixing more man like Orcs with Human Dunlending (wild men) women.