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[YoshiKart64]

Stop moving the goalposts dude!

It's just something that occurred to me - see my post above for a much better expression of my views.

 

[circle square circle]

I'm sorry, but I find the whole idea of labeling people as victims because their tv show was canceled to be simply absurd. tv shows are canceled all the time. Everyone is a victim in that case. Are we going to have a competition to see who is the most victimized?

/Firefly fans would win
//because they are prolific and crazy as hell.

 

[Lilith]

Sorry wanted to read this properly before responding.

Firstly the fact that a number of proper Stargate fans have been kicked aside because they don't like the show is wrong. It's also one of the reasons I'm here - we share a love of Stargate.

However I still don't think that wishing ill on a show because of the actions of a few is the correct response. Just as wrong as saying that the 'haters' of SGU are all SGA fans.

If I were you guys I'd be campaigning for the movies - hell even campaigning for a new show more akin to the old ones. It's very different to be saying "this is the kind of show I want" to "I hate this show and want it off the air". SGUSucks sends a much more negative view of the people on this board than say SG1/SGAfans does.

To sum up I appreciate that a lot of you feel there is no Stargate for you at the moment, but focusing on why you hate another show rather than the one you want to see isn't positive or right.

Yes, I agree focusing on the movies is a more positive approach but where have you been? Tbtb have said over and over again that the first movie to be made is SGU. Who wants that? That is their only answer. Check out Mazolli's responses to the movie question. TBTB are unyielding in their dogged support for sGU only. You know it has the best cast ever. They never miss a beat at hammering their past projects and prior cast.

SG1/SGA movie questions are met with the same snippy answer. They use it like a tool. Now it is watch our show if you want your movies. I'm not a child nor a drug addict that I have to have a prize/drug in order for me to do what you want. I don't want a movie from these jerks nor does anyone else here.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Sorry wanted to read this properly before responding.

Firstly the fact that a number of proper Stargate fans have been kicked aside because they don't like the show is wrong. It's also one of the reasons I'm here - we share a love of Stargate.

And that is truly apreciated mate (both counts):beckettu:

However I still don't think that wishing ill on a show because of the actions of a few is the correct response. Just as wrong as saying that the 'haters' of SGU are all SGA fans.

Perhaps, perhaps not, I can't speak to anyone but me on that point.
The way I see it is this. At the time SGA was canned, the franchise was in an extremely strong position. It had 15 seasons of shows, 2 movies and 2? pilot remakes that were (and I believe still are) making money for the show. Now look at the state of the franchise. A busted fanbase, 2 "promised" movies probably never coming out, and a "on air" show with ratings in the worst state in stargate history. Quite an "improvement" wouldn't you say........
SGU is killing the franchise, thats not an emotional response, thats just the facts. Trek did it with ENT and it took how long for someone to bring it back? Do you as a fan of stargate want to wait that long to hear and see our beloved KAAWOOSH on the screen again? Even now, how often do you see it on SGU?

If I were you guys I'd be campaigning for the movies - hell even campaigning for a new show more akin to the old ones. It's very different to be saying "this is the kind of show I want" to "I hate this show and want it off the air". SGUSucks sends a much more negative view of the people on this board than say SG1/SGAfans does.

First, on the movies. I'd be willing to bet a bottle of my fave Scotch Whisky that nearly everyone here HAS done something for the movies. Back in the (nabble?) days, there was a petition for the movies that was over 40,000 individual signatures strong. Being new here, I wouldn't expect you to know that, but it's something you should know.

Now, the bolded bit. Yes, SGUS does send a negative view out, but it is at least an honest one. If it was SG1/SGAfans.com or whatever, it just wouldn't be true to some of is here. A change of name has been discussed on here before as well, mainly for this very point and it is always shot down because SGUS is what represents us the best. We are not sgaisbetterthansgu.com or bringbacksga.com for a very valid reason, SGU just sucks in alot of ways and for different reasons to every "anti" person on this board. there is no "one almighty overriding reason" for why someone feels the way they do, they just do.

To sum up I appreciate that a lot of you feel there is no Stargate for you at the moment, but focusing on why you hate another show rather than the one you want to see isn't positive or right.

Again, perhaps, perhaps not. Look, I'd rather not have to be "negative" all the time, but alot of us have tried to be positive, we walked the path of the loyal fan fighting for what we believed in, writing letters/emails and so on, all the positive things you can think of. What did we get? Kicked by the SGU fans, punched by the PTB and insulted by the "new guys" Our good works were ignored, and thus SGUS was born. Is the site "right" or "moral", well, that is a question for each individual member and guest who visits, not me. I am not "my brothers keeper".

 

[YoshiKart64]

And that is truly apreciated mate (both counts):beckettu:


Perhaps, perhaps not, I can't speak to anyone but me on that point.
The way I see it is this. At the time SGA was canned, the franchise was in an extremely strong position. It had 15 seasons of shows, 2 movies and 2? pilot remakes that were (and I believe still are) making money for the show. Now look at the state of the franchise. A busted fanbase, 2 "promised" movies probably never coming out, and a "on air" show with ratings in the worst state in stargate history. Quite an "improvement" wouldn't you say........
SGU is killing the franchise, thats not an emotional response, thats just the facts. Trek did it with ENT and it took how long for someone to bring it back? Do you as a fan of stargate want to wait that long to hear and see our beloved KAAWOOSH on the screen again? Even now, how often do you see it on SGU?

Again sorry for the long wait for a reply.

No I don't and I completely understand the reasoning behind people who think that way. You don't like the show and its dragging the ratings down. Here's where we disagree though - I think the best thing for the franchise is too continue the show (which imo is becoming more mainstream and generally better) and get those movies out there. Or at the very least a miniseries for Atlantis - I think it would do well and would help to try and reconcile fans of the franchise. No longer would it be SGU as opposed to SG1/SGA it would be 3 arms of a franchise.

If the show goes down I think Stargate will be in an even worse position than it is now - at least its out there. I think if it goes off the air the majority of people will move on and the fanbase thats left wont be worth making anything for.

First, on the movies. I'd be willing to bet a bottle of my fave Scotch Whisky that nearly everyone here HAS done something for the movies. Back in the (nabble?) days, there was a petition for the movies that was over 40,000 individual signatures strong. Being new here, I wouldn't expect you to know that, but it's something you should know.

Yeh I didn't know that but I think with MGM's current position the next couple of months will decide if those movies are going ahead or not. If it wasn't for the SGU announcement likely to come first I'd be quite optimistic.

Now, the bolded bit. Yes, SGUS does send a negative view out, but it is at least an honest one. If it was SG1/SGAfans.com or whatever, it just wouldn't be true to some of is here. A change of name has been discussed on here before as well, mainly for this very point and it is always shot down because SGUS is what represents us the best. We are not sgaisbetterthansgu.com or bringbacksga.com for a very valid reason, SGU just sucks in alot of ways and for different reasons to every "anti" person on this board. there is no "one almighty overriding reason" for why someone feels the way they do, they just do.

Yes my point here though is that I don't get what is productive about creating a forum based solely around disliking SGU and laughing at fans (which does sometimes go on here) who do like it. I know you guys do other things than that on here and I think the name should have reflected that. I mean the site is more about having the right to air your views and not feel abandoned because you didn't jump on board a new Stargate show than bitching and moaning because something you don't like is on the air. Let's be honest - this site would not exist if SGA still did because nobody would have been pushed aside.

Again, perhaps, perhaps not. Look, I'd rather not have to be "negative" all the time, but alot of us have tried to be positive, we walked the path of the loyal fan fighting for what we believed in, writing letters/emails and so on, all the positive things you can think of. What did we get? Kicked by the SGU fans, punched by the PTB and insulted by the "new guys" Our good works were ignored, and thus SGUS was born. Is the site "right" or "moral", well, that is a question for each individual member and guest who visits, not me. I am not "my brothers keeper".

I'm not going to argue against any of that as it's clearly your viewpoint and experience. I will say that it's extremely unfortunate for all Stargate fans that the whole thing turned out the way it did. I feel just as strongly that you guys shouldn't have been pushed aside as I do about wanting more SG1/SGA/SGU. It's silly to think that a more inclusive attitude by the producers might have saved a lot of arguing and fallout.

 

[Gatefan1976]

YoshiKart64

Can you please check your format on that last post, you are quoting me for something you wrote and have got it looking like my response is your answer

Cheers dude!:beckettu:

 

[Bluce Ree]

Yes, I agree focusing on the movies is a more positive approach but where have you been? Tbtb have said over and over again that the first movie to be made is SGU. Who wants that? That is their only answer. Check out Mazolli's responses to the movie question. TBTB are unyielding in their dogged support for sGU only. You know it has the best cast ever. They never miss a beat at hammering their past projects and prior cast.

SG1/SGA movie questions are met with the same snippy answer. They use it like a tool. Now it is watch our show if you want your movies. I'm not a child nor a drug addict that I have to have a prize/drug in order for me to do what you want. I don't want a movie from these jerks nor does anyone else here.

I admire your stance. You're absolutely correct in feeling betrayed by those insulting pricks and their high-and-mighty attitude taken against their loyal fanbase. I'm getting to the point where I'm willing to just forget anything Stargate coming from them just because of the way they've been treating the franchise and its fans.

As much as I love BMW, if my BMW turned out to be a troublesome lemon and my local dealership kept insulting me and treating me like shit with every visit, I'd develop a bad taste for BMW and dump the brand altogether. They forget that Stargate is, in fact, a brand and what's being produced is a product that we, the viewers and fans, "buy". Like any product, there's loyalty and there's disgust.

I also agree we should focus our efforts more constructively. And so, I say to all:

Down with Quickbooks!

 

[Lilith]

Your right Yorshikart64, but we have been here since the beginning which doesn't make us any more right or wrong than the other side. Having said that SGU fans from my experience have hurled insults the instance they read a response that they don't like and yes this side has given back in kind. TBTB don't help when they promote this mentality with their own insults. Could we have chosen a word that isn't used as a action verb. Sure but the feeling was unanimous at the time.

We are given far to much credit by SGU fans. Our days are filled now with keeping current with interviews and a few counter on some voting polls. In truth, we will do exactly what we have always done which is nothing except watch as the rating continue to drop like a stone. We don't have to. There is no active campaign to get the show cancelled, we have no ring leader who is driving us forward to fight a good fight. We are just a group of people who meet on these boards and say have you heard the lastest? Here's a link. Are we misunderstood, you betcha. Do we care? No. Our shoulders are broad, at least mine are. We are not the only anti site, we are the first one that you found. I guess we are now infamous as the site that shall not be named. If that is us okay.

 

[YoshiKart64]

Ah SORRY gatefan1976 I'll re-edit it, I knew I'd mess up somewhere...


No piginpoo I meant you don't like the show and your annoyed because its dragged the ratings for Stargate down. I didn't mean it the way you thought but I can see how it was poorly phrased, apologies.

EDIT: I edited my post above, sorry if anyone got confused.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Ah SORRY gatefan1976 I'll re-edit it, I knew I'd mess up somewhere...


No piginpoo I meant you don't like the show and your annoyed because its dragged the ratings for Stargate down. I didn't mean it the way you thought but I can see how it was poorly phrased, apologies.

Cool, thanks dude!:beckettu:

Promise I'll respond when my head dosn't "double take" on me.

 

[phronsie]

Well, this is almost food for a new thread, but you touched on a sensitive (but significant) aspect of this whole thing:

VENGEANCE.

In a way, this experiment could be looked upon as a simple (but fatal) mistake. But thats just not the way it went down. There IS some revenge involved here. Also the need to see justice served because of so many kicks to the groin and slaps to the face. There IS a measure of satisfaction on the part of not just Atlantis fans, but Stargate fans in general. We entrusted this universe (the SG Universe) to these writers, and they discarded our loyalty to try to make a buck. Then, they didnt acknowledge their mistake, they continued to bash not only the fans, but even the previous two shows.

Personally:

1. This is a bad show and is not Stargate and thats why I want it canceled. As long as it exists, nothing else Stargate can exist.
2. The reason this show exists is because Atlantis was sacrificed to make it. That makes me angry.
3. The showrunners became arrogant first, then abusive later on. Not, they arent even remorseful, and thus seeing them fail gives me a feeling of satisfaction.
4. Giving support for this show (or any show like it) is going to be seen as "approval", so I want the clearest, loudest message to be sent in the strongest possible terms. But NOT WATCHING IT LIVE.

They have the numbers (and so do we ), and logic dictates that this show should be canceled.

If that happens, then we do sorta win. The abomination known as Stargate Universe will be canceled, and these writers and their bored ideas and recycled plots will finally be retired, and then we have a chance at a new Stargate later on. Justice will have been served. But thats just me.

Hear! Hear! Well said! :shepclap:

 

[phronsie]

I'm sorry, but I find the whole idea of labeling people as victims because their tv show was canceled to be simply absurd. tv shows are canceled all the time. Everyone is a victim in that case. Are we going to have a competition to see who is the most victimized?

/Firefly fans would win
//because they are prolific and crazy as hell.

LOL -- good job of cutting through the bull! Except you mistyped; you meant FarScape fans!!!

Honestly though, Firefly was so daaaaamn good; how could they cancel it????

 

[Rac80]

Again sorry for the long wait for a reply.

No I don't and I completely understand the reasoning behind people who think that way. You don't like the show and its dragging the ratings down. Here's where we disagree though - I think the best thing for the franchise is too continue the show (which imo is becoming more mainstream and generally better) and get those movies out there. Or at the very least a miniseries for Atlantis - I think it would do well and would help to try and reconcile fans of the franchise. No longer would it be SGU as opposed to SG1/SGA it would be 3 arms of a franchise.

If the show goes down I think Stargate will be in an even worse position than it is now - at least its out there. I think if it goes off the air the majority of people will move on and the fanbase thats left wont be worth making anything for.



Yeh I didn't know that but I think with MGM's current position the next couple of months will decide if those movies are going ahead or not. If it wasn't for the SGU announcement likely to come first I'd be quite optimistic.



Yes my point here though is that I don't get what is productive about creating a forum based solely around disliking SGU and laughing at fans (which does sometimes go on here) who do like it. I know you guys do other things than that on here and I think the name should have reflected that. I mean the site is more about having the right to air your views and not feel abandoned because you didn't jump on board a new Stargate show than bitching and moaning because something you don't like is on the air. Let's be honest - this site would not exist if SGA still did because nobody would have been pushed aside.



I'm not going to argue against any of that as it's clearly your viewpoint and experience. I will say that it's extremely unfortunate for all Stargate fans that the whole thing turned out the way it did. I feel just as strongly that you guys shouldn't have been pushed aside as I do about wanting more SG1/SGA/SGU. It's silly to think that a more inclusive attitude by the producers might have saved a lot of arguing and fallout.

and you were never guilty about going after those of us who dislike sgpoo on GW? your rabidness is legendary kid....trying to deny it now is useless.! sorry if you think we aren't being constructive...but who the HELL are you to judge what I do with my time??? does the phrase kiss this ring any bells?

Your right Yorshikart64, but we have been here since the beginning which doesn't make us any more right or wrong than the other side. Having said that SGU fans from my experience have hurled insults the instance they read a response that they don't like and yes this side has given back in kind. TBTB don't help when they promote this mentality with their own insults. Could we have chosen a word that isn't used as a action verb. Sure but the feeling was unanimous at the time.

We are given far to much credit by SGU fans. Our days are filled now with keeping current with interviews and a few counter on some voting polls. In truth, we will do exactly what we have always done which is nothing except watch as the rating continue to drop like a stone. We don't have to. There is no active campaign to get the show cancelled, we have no ring leader who is driving us forward to fight a good fight. We are just a group of people who meet on these boards and say have you heard the lastest? Here's a link. Are we misunderstood, you betcha. Do we care? No. Our shoulders are broad, at least mine are. We are not the only anti site, we are the first one that you found. I guess we are now infamous as the site that shall not be named. If that is us okay.

I have all the power....

 

[YoshiKart64]

and you were never guilty about going after those of us who dislike sgpoo on GW? your rabidness is legendary kid....trying to deny it now is useless.! ]

If your referring to my comments about this site I made before joining then yes they were premature. My realisation of that led me here to see if I had in fact spoken too soon and without enough information. Needless to say my opinion has changed since being here and learning more about you guys.

But I don't want to derail what has actually been a fairly good discussion, so if you still feel I am speaking out of turn then feel free to PM me some examples or even start a new thread.

 

[Overmind One]

Thats what they dont get, my friend!

But that come just after Me Cracking a bottle over it's head, Sucker punching it's kidneys, and the knee to the groin..


But Yoshi, 'ol pal.. In the immortal words of Spock.. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".. and in this case, Much fewer than the fans of Atlantis and SG1 that were royally crapped on to give birth to this bouncing baby turd called SGU. So for the Franchise to survive, and the Fans to unite, SGU has to die.

Also, a clear message has to be sent, to anyone willing to fuck with a beloved franchise. Treat the fans with respect they deserve, because you are where you are, because of the fans. They are the people who put bread on your table (All kinds of Fru Fru Crap and Dishes of Offal for Mallozzi), and money in your banks. You don't laugh at them for enjoying your previous productions, and imply that to enjoy them was to be less Cerebral.

THATS the point, buddy. These SGU "fans" have just been coaxed from their dark corners and from basements all across the globe...well, maybe just across the town of San Jose California (pop 1.1 million ). And they have been fans for roughly a year and a half, and they have barged into Gateworld and changed everything around, then they have dissed the shows which served as the foundation for the franchise that gave birth to this abomination. Who the FUCK do they think they are? They are selfish, juvenile little snits who whine about everything...even about other people whining. I feel NO need to be sensitive to their desires and feelings, since they felt nothing about going to Mods at GW to fink out anyone even farting in the direction of SGU. I feel like this show is the fly that I am hunting with swatter in hand, and I keep missing. And when season 1.5 and season 2.0 swatted it (seemingly fatally), its still not canceled!

I want to get to the part where I am no longer waiting for it to be swatted. I want to be at the part where I have a napkin containing the smashed fly remains, and Im walking to the toilet with it. But this is a BIG fly!

 

[YoshiKart64]

THATS the point, buddy. These SGU "fans" have just been coaxed from their dark corners and from basements all across the globe...well, maybe just across the town of San Jose California (pop 1.1 million ). And they have been fans for roughly a year and a half, and they have barged into Gateworld and changed everything around, then they have dissed the shows which served as the foundation for the franchise that gave birth to this abomination. Who the FUCK do they think they are? They are selfish, juvenile little snits who whine about everything...even about other people whining. I feel NO need to be sensitive to their desires and feelings, since they felt nothing about going to Mods at GW to fink out anyone even farting in the direction of SGU. I feel like this show is the fly that I am hunting with swatter in hand, and I keep missing. And when season 1.5 and season 2.0 swatted it (seemingly fatally), its still not canceled!

I want to get to the part where I am no longer waiting for it to be swatted. I want to be at the part where I have a napkin containing the smashed fly remains, and Im walking to the toilet with it. But this is a BIG fly!

I've already mentioned this but I really don't think that's true. Most of the people I talk to on Gateworld were fans before SGU.
Plus I still don't think anyone can comment on who the audience of SGU is made up of - The majority of Stargate fans don't use forums or go to conventions - there's no way to measure their response. For all we know the audience is made up mainly of Stargate fans and the show has dropped those more casual viewers who preferred the lighter tone of Atlantis.

I'm not saying there's not a lot of people like you out there, who feel pushed aside (nor am i trying to marginalise that group), but I don't think you can condemn an entire group of fans based of a relatively small number of forum members. That's my honest opinion there.

 

[Mr. A]

Very well said!

...
Also, a clear message has to be sent, to anyone willing to fuck with a beloved franchise. Treat the fans with respect they deserve, because you are where you are, because of the fans. They are the people who put bread on your table (All kinds of Fru Fru Crap and Dishes of Offal for Mallozzi), and money in your banks. You don't laugh at them for enjoying your previous productions, and imply that to enjoy them was to be less Cerebral.
...

:shepclap: :daniel_new_anime021

 

[Mr. A]

I've already mentioned this but I really don't think that's true. Most of the people I talk to on Gateworld were fans before SGU.
Plus I still don't think anyone can comment on who the audience of SGU is made up of - The majority of Stargate fans don't use forums or go to conventions - there's no way to measure their response. For all we know the audience is made up mainly of Stargate fans and the show has dropped those more casual viewers who preferred the lighter tone of Atlantis.

I'm not saying there's not a lot of people like you out there, who feel pushed aside (nor am i trying to marginalise that group), but I don't think you can condemn an entire group of fans based of a relatively small number of forum members. That's my honest opinion there.

Of course that's theoretically possible, but does that really seem like the most likely scenario? Our anecdotal evidence here says no. As a matter of fact I read very often on GW and Syfy posts from people who weren't really into SG1 or SGA but love SGU. They frequently resort to bashing the previous shows in describing why SGU is so "great"...

So please don't go Deevil on us and start questioning and dismissing anything that can't be proven to the last shred of doubt, even whether there are such things as proofs or whether numbers are meaningful...

 

[Overmind One]

You are just WRONG. Your information is INCOMPLETE.

I've already mentioned this but I really don't think that's true. Most of the people I talk to on Gateworld were fans before SGU.

DOH. I was also a fan before SGU. I was on GW before SGU. It wasnt until SGU was aired and the fans were in an uproar that the new SGU emo boys started whining to the Mods and complaining about the overwhelming negativity that Gateworld suddenly became Reichworld and implemented their censorship policy and promoted several unstable, power-tripping members to Mods to enforce it. I dont recall you over there before SGU.

Plus I still don't think anyone can comment on who the audience of SGU is made up of - The majority of Stargate fans don't use forums or go to conventions - there's no way to measure their response. For all we know the audience is made up mainly of Stargate fans and the show has dropped those more casual viewers who preferred the lighter tone of Atlantis.

WRONG.
We can indeed comment on who the audience of SGU is made up of. We can make the following deductions based on the FACTS:

1. The fans of Stargate Atlantis are NOT fans of Stargate Universe (based upon the numbers and on the comments of the producers and showrunners themselves). Also based on the HH Demos (which are drastically different).
2. The statements of the current SGU fans overwhelmingly state that they were NOT fans of the last two shows, referring to them as "comic-book" shows. This is still visible at Gateworld and anywhere there are positive SGU comments posted like at TV.com, IMDb, Syfy and elsewhere. Most all of them say they were not Stargate fans before SGU.
3. The ratings. The viewer demos are WAY different for this show than for any of the previous two shows. For every positive comment from an SGU fan, there are a hundred negative reactions from Stargate fans who were fans of the previous two shows.
4. Stargate fans who do not like Stargate Universe are invariably far more articulate and able to say EXACTLY why they do not like the show, they are able to back their statements with thoughtful observations and cold hard facts (something you fail to do even now).
5. SGU fans who are vocal about the show tend to be young males (younger than age 20) or older males (50 and older). The female viewership is dismal, and the coveted 18-49 is a paltry 0.4

You and other SGU fans love to retreat into the "unknown" and hang your hopes on fantasy and rainbows and unicorn tears, because the real FACTS of the matter are filtered and censored from your virgin little eyes. But you arent at Gateworld, Yoshikart64, you are at SGU°S and we actually have the uncensored FACTS here. You have no excuse, because the same mouse that clicks this thread to read it can click the threads containing the information telling you that you are wrong. There is a search function here too...please use it. Then go to Google and type in "Stargate Universe Reviews", or click this link and the search is set up for you already: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds...se+reviews&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b9141da4f416ce8

The reviews are by fans, and there are pages of hits. CLICK THEM, and read the comments from the fans. You are simply WRONG about us not being able to profile the average SGU fan.

I'm not saying there's not a lot of people like you out there, who feel pushed aside (nor am i trying to marginalise that group), but I don't think you can condemn an entire group of fans based of a relatively small number of forum members. That's my honest opinion there.

Who is condemning the fans? The fans are condemning this show, because its not Stargate and it needs to be canceled and removed from canon ASAP. You and the other SGU fans are being selfish and inconsiderate, trying to steal Stargate from us and put skinny jeans on it and give it an emo haircut. I know better than to base my opinions on a single source or a forum (that is what YOU are doing). I create crawlers to collect data based on criteria (like Google does, but much more extensive). I have watched EVERY episode of Stargate Universe, so Im not uninformed at all. Can you say the same about your statements? You are just WRONG WRONG WRONG.

 

[Bluce Ree]

DOH. I was also a fan before SGU. I was on GW before SGU. It wasnt until SGU was aired and the fans were in an uproar that the new SGU emo boys started whining to the Mods and complaining about the overwhelming negativity that Gateworld suddenly became Reichworld and implemented their censorship policy and promoted several unstable, power-tripping members to Mods to enforce it. I dont recall you over there before SGU.
WRONG.
We can indeed comment on who the audience of SGU is made up of. We can make the following deductions based on the FACTS:

1. The fans of Stargate Atlantis are NOT fans of Stargate Universe (based upon the numbers and on the comments of the producers and showrunners themselves). Also based on the HH Demos (which are drastically different).
2. The statements of the current SGU fans overwhelmingly state that they were NOT fans of the last two shows, referring to them as "comic-book" shows. This is still visible at Gateworld and anywhere there are positive SGU comments posted like at TV.com, IMDb, Syfy and elsewhere. Most all of them say they were not Stargate fans before SGU.
3. The ratings. The viewer demos are WAY different for this show than for any of the previous two shows. For every positive comment from an SGU fan, there are a hundred negative reactions from Stargate fans who were fans of the previous two shows.
4. Stargate fans who do not like Stargate Universe are invariably far more articulate and able to say EXACTLY why they do not like the show, they are able to back their statements with thoughtful observations and cold hard facts (something you fail to do even now).
5. SGU fans who are vocal about the show tend to be young males (younger than age 20) or older males (50 and older). The female viewership is dismal, and the coveted 18-49 is a paltry 0.4

You and other SGU fans love to retreat into the "unknown" and hang your hopes on fantasy and rainbows and unicorn tears, because the real FACTS of the matter are filtered and censored from your virgin little eyes. But you arent at Gateworld, Yoshikart64, you are at SGU°S and we actually have the uncensored FACTS here. You have no excuse, because the same mouse that clicks this thread to read it can click the threads containing the information telling you that you are wrong. There is a search function here too...please use it. Then go to Google and type in "Stargate Universe Reviews", or click this link and the search is set up for you already: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds...se+reviews&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b9141da4f416ce8

The reviews are by fans, and there are pages of hits. CLICK THEM, and read the comments from the fans. You are simply WRONG about us not being able to profile the average SGU fan.

Who is condemning the fans? The fans are condemning this show, because its not Stargate and it needs to be canceled and removed from canon ASAP. You and the other SGU fans are being selfish and inconsiderate, trying to steal Stargate from us and put skinny jeans on it and give it an emo haircut. I know better than to base my opinions on a single source or a forum (that is what YOU are doing). I create crawlers to collect data based on criteria (like Google does, but much more extensive). I have watched EVERY episode of Stargate Universe, so Im not uninformed at all. Can you say the same about your statements? You are just WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Ya know, I have to tip my hat off to you. I've never seen anyone champion a cause like this with such passion and disgust. Although I feel the same, I'm just not able to articulate it as eloquently as you do and with such a plethora of facts and numbers at hand. I think nearly everyone here will agree.

You got my vote, brother.

OM1 for President (of SGU Sucks).