Question

[Overmind One]

Very well put!

How might Syfy and MGM feel about the producers slagging on their own past shows? Isn't that a bit like admitting that what you sold last year wasn't as good as it should have been? Like a painter being commissioned to do a painting for someone and coming in a year later and raising arms while viewing and calling it terrible. Also with the producers shooing off fans in droves would it not also be viewed badly by Syfy and MGM because it does affect their viewers. People had legitimate complaints about the show and were booed and hissed and told to stop watching if they didn't like by both the producers and the few fans of the new series. So they did.

At the same token what the fans of SGU and creators use as defense of the series is jabs at the previous series even though what problems they (the creators)had they developed themselves. Teyla and Ronan weren't written well..look in the mirror. Atlantis had superficial super hero character interactions...look in the mirror. What I see instead is TPTB that are out of fresh ideas and I know what is coming when people speak about breaking from the "formula". "Formula" says to me that they have ran out of ideas and rehash old ideas over and over (New Replicators) etc. Maybe Atlantis would have even had higher ratings if we weren't stuck in the loop of visiting mud huts and regurgitating old foes.

What is evident with this series is that they are still out of ideas and instead borrow other people's creativity by plagiarizing better shows. I've seen it compared to BSG...but, it is more so the difference between gold and gold painted plastic. A new series doesn't solve these problems. New ideas are the only thing that will. If the old guard doesn't have new ideas it is time for new people or additions of outside writers or something.

If someone couldn't write stories about Atlantis then they have no hope in any other works because of the sheer wonder surrounding the city. For the most part they figured out how to raise shields, fly it, and fire weapons and left it at that. Just odd. When I watch Atlantis it feels small (no larger than my house) hardly explored. When the ancient woman arrived on Atlantis she activated new systems and locked the crew out. This was never brought up again. What secrets were in the city unexplored?

I love this. Basically what you are saying is that the faults of this show (and those before it) ultimately come down to the writers and the creative team. At some point, the writers "burned out" But why would they leave their jobs unless forced to do so? They pay well, have perks and have an upwards ladder which leads to Executive Producer. A new show wasnt needed, but we have one anyway. And we have lost not one, but TWO beloved Stargate shows because the writers stopped being fans of their own shows.

Now, we have to deal with it. The only way to remove these writers is to remove the franchise they are attached to. If there is no show, then these writers have to move on. When they do, the franchise can be rebooted with new writers.

They almost seem ASHAMED of their previous work.

 

[Gatefan1976]

I love this. Basically what you are saying is that the faults of this show (and those before it) ultimately come down to the writers and the creative team. At some point, the writers "burned out" But why would they leave their jobs unless forced to do so? They pay well, have perks and have an upwards ladder which leads to Executive Producer. A new show wasnt needed, but we have one anyway. And we have lost not one, but TWO beloved Stargate shows because the writers stopped being fans of their own shows.

Now, we have to deal with it. The only way to remove these writers is to remove the franchise they are attached to. If there is no show, then these writers have to move on. When they do, the franchise can be rebooted with new writers.

They almost seem ASHAMED of their previous work.

I agree, 200%

If an artist has lost thier "feel" for the work, then they really need to step aside. Take ST:TNG for example. No one initially thought that they could "capture lightning in a bottle" again, but GR was still so commited to his "vision" that they not only did it, but created a literal "next generation" of fans that are commited the ideals of star trek.

TPTB have lost thier vision. Full kudos to them for trying to re-find it, but it is now lost, and it is time for them to step aside and let new minds play. Anyhthing else is, imo, an insult to not only thier body of work, but themselves as well.

 

[sgufail]

I think they just got delusions of grandeur, I love SG1 but lets face it Stargate isn't literary genius - its good honest fun with some good humor and action. The problem is the writers/creators started to think they could create a critically acclaimed drama and they can't.

I don't blame them for trying but whoever at MGM let them put the franchise and tens of millions of dollars at risk to try needs to be fired.

 

[Mr. A]

I agree, 200%

If an artist has lost thier "feel" for the work, then they really need to step aside. Take ST:TNG for example. No one initially thought that they could "capture lightning in a bottle" again, but GR was still so commited to his "vision" that they not only did it, but created a literal "next generation" of fans that are commited the ideals of star trek.

TPTB have lost thier vision. Full kudos to them for trying to re-find it, but it is now lost, and it is time for them to step aside and let new minds play. Anyhthing else is, imo, an insult to not only thier body of work, but themselves as well.

GF, I totally agree with your conclusion, I just don't think that's the way it played out. You make it sound like the producers were trying to reinvent Stargate, if I understand your post correctly. But from the interviews with BW and RCC I had the feeling they didn't want to do SG at all. They wanted to go other places. It's Syfy who insisted they do their other stuff under the SG brand because the network didn't want to give up their flagship franchise. So BW & RCC forced their little melodrama into the SG suit and tried to sell it to us fans as the real deal.
This becomes apparent IMO with each new episode where the Gate itself is only used as a plot device to speed up travel and where SG lore (the mythology, the tech, the characters) has been all but dropped without any pretense.
Stargate remains what it is: the movie, then SG1 and SGA. There's no reinventing it and, sincerely, no need for it. As Syfy told BW, the franchise still has "a lot of life in it". SGU doesn't belong to it and Syfy should have let BW place it somewhere else and kept to using magic stones for communication and magic sticks for transporting for all I care. And, since the "SG1 characters" weren't themselves anyway on SGU, he could just have had special appearances by RDA and MS in the pilot like Robert Patrick did on SGA.

 

[Gatefan1976]

GF, I totally agree with your conclusion, I just don't think that's the way it played out. You make it sound like the producers were trying to reinvent Stargate, if I understand your post correctly. But from the interviews with BW and RCC I had the feeling they didn't want to do SG at all. They wanted to go other places. It's Syfy who insisted they do their other stuff under the SG brand because the network didn't want to give up their flagship franchise. So BW & RCC forced their little melodrama into the SG suit and tried to sell it to us fans as the real deal.
This becomes apparent IMO with each new episode where the Gate itself is only used as a plot device to speed up travel and where SG lore (the mythology, the tech, the characters) has been all but dropped without any pretense.
Stargate remains what it is: the movie, then SG1 and SGA. There's no reinventing it and, sincerely, no need for it. As Syfy told BW, the franchise still has "a lot of life in it". SGU doesn't belong to it and Syfy should have let BW place it somewhere else and kept to using magic stones for communication and magic sticks for transporting for all I care. And, since the "SG1 characters" weren't themselves anyway on SGU, he could just have had special appearances by RDA and MS in the pilot like Robert Patrick did on SGA.

Hmm, not entirely what I meant, but close.
All I meant was I think TPTB "lost thier way" in terms of Stargate as a whole and were given an option of some description. They then tried to "renew themselves" in this new direction of SGU, but, because it was still "stargate" (hides ) the feeling of being worn out carried across as well. Now, am I pissed at TPTB for trying something new?, not really no. Am I pissed because they may have damaged the name of "stargate" to get thier "new vision" on the screen? Fucking yes I am.
Now, are TPTB solely responsible for this? No, don't think that either. I think in some way the syfy PTB forced the SG PTB's hand and to tell thier new story, they had to call it "stargate "X" ".

The whole situation is a total cluster fuck, the only people really suffering are the fans (on both sides) because the Pro-SGU camp will probably loose thier show and the Anti-SGU camp already have. Meanwhile, you have the toss-pots at the top, fuck arseing around, pointing fingers and generally being the total fucksticks "upper management" tend to be, and dodging the fucking blame cause no-one has the goddamn intestinal fortitude to suck it up and admit they royally screwed the pooch.

AAARRRGGGHHHH!!

(head explosion not posted as it may offend!!)

 

[Mr. A]

Hmm, not entirely what I meant, but close.
All I meant was I think TPTB "lost thier way" in terms of Stargate as a whole and were given an option of some description. They then tried to "renew themselves" in this new direction of SGU, but, because it was still "stargate" (hides ) the feeling of being worn out carried across as well. Now, am I pissed at TPTB for trying something new?, not really no. Am I pissed because they may have damaged the name of "stargate" to get thier "new vision" on the screen? Fucking yes I am.
Now, are TPTB solely responsible for this? No, don't think that either. I think in some way the syfy PTB forced the SG PTB's hand and to tell thier new story, they had to call it "stargate "X" ".

The whole situation is a total cluster fuck, the only people really suffering are the fans (on both sides) because the Pro-SGU camp will probably loose thier show and the Anti-SGU camp already have. Meanwhile, you have the toss-pots at the top, fuck arseing around, pointing fingers and generally being the total fucksticks "upper management" tend to be, and dodging the fucking blame cause no-one has the goddamn intestinal fortitude to suck it up and admit they royally screwed the pooch.

There we are in total agreement my friend! :beckettu:

 

[Gatefan1976]

There we are in total agreement my friend! :beckettu:

Heh, yeah, my name isn't "Neo" and I choose not to mess with a man who can scare you by saying "Mr Anderson"

Seriously though, I firmly believe that NO ONE will "win" this "war", it's just becoming such a frigging mess, and it will end up being the most innocent victims that will end up paying any price.
Don't misunderstand me, as I've said to A4L before, I'll always fight for my right to party, but I honestly feel sorry for the poor guys who get shafted without "deserving" it.

 

[Overmind One]

Well....

Heh, yeah, my name isn't "Neo" and I choose not to mess with a man who can scare you by saying "Mr Anderson"

Seriously though, I firmly believe that NO ONE will "win" this "war", it's just becoming such a frigging mess, and it will end up being the most innocent victims that will end up paying any price.
Don't misunderstand me, as I've said to A4L before, I'll always fight for my right to party, but I honestly feel sorry for the poor guys who get shafted without "deserving" it.

Well, this is almost food for a new thread, but you touched on a sensitive (but significant) aspect of this whole thing:

VENGEANCE.

In a way, this experiment could be looked upon as a simple (but fatal) mistake. But thats just not the way it went down. There IS some revenge involved here. Also the need to see justice served because of so many kicks to the groin and slaps to the face. There IS a measure of satisfaction on the part of not just Atlantis fans, but Stargate fans in general. We entrusted this universe (the SG Universe) to these writers, and they discarded our loyalty to try to make a buck. Then, they didnt acknowledge their mistake, they continued to bash not only the fans, but even the previous two shows.

Personally:

1. This is a bad show and is not Stargate and thats why I want it canceled. As long as it exists, nothing else Stargate can exist.
2. The reason this show exists is because Atlantis was sacrificed to make it. That makes me angry.
3. The showrunners became arrogant first, then abusive later on. Not, they arent even remorseful, and thus seeing them fail gives me a feeling of satisfaction.
4. Giving support for this show (or any show like it) is going to be seen as "approval", so I want the clearest, loudest message to be sent in the strongest possible terms. But NOT WATCHING IT LIVE.

They have the numbers (and so do we ), and logic dictates that this show should be canceled.

If that happens, then we do sorta win. The abomination known as Stargate Universe will be canceled, and these writers and their bored ideas and recycled plots will finally be retired, and then we have a chance at a new Stargate later on. Justice will have been served. But thats just me.

 

[Lilith]

Well, this is almost food for a new thread, but you touched on a sensitive (but significant) aspect of this whole thing:

VENGEANCE.

In a way, this experiment could be looked upon as a simple (but fatal) mistake. But thats just not the way it went down. There IS some revenge involved here. Also the need to see justice served because of so many kicks to the groin and slaps to the face. There IS a measure of satisfaction on the part of not just Atlantis fans, but Stargate fans in general. We entrusted this universe (the SG Universe) to these writers, and they discarded our loyalty to try to make a buck. Then, they didnt acknowledge their mistake, they continued to bash not only the fans, but even the previous two shows.

Personally:

1. This is a bad show and is not Stargate and thats why I want it canceled. As long as it exists, nothing else Stargate can exist.
2. The reason this show exists is because Atlantis was sacrificed to make it. That makes me angry.
3. The showrunners became arrogant first, then abusive later on. Not, they arent even remorseful, and thus seeing them fail gives me a feeling of satisfaction.
4. Giving support for this show (or any show like it) is going to be seen as "approval", so I want the clearest, loudest message to be sent in the strongest possible terms. But NOT WATCHING IT LIVE.

They have the numbers (and so do we ), and logic dictates that this show should be canceled.

If that happens, then we do sorta win. The abomination known as Stargate Universe will be canceled, and these writers and their bored ideas and recycled plots will finally be retired, and then we have a chance at a new Stargate later on. Justice will have been served. But thats just me.

I joined you on this trip. The company is nice and oh what a view.

 

[Overmind One]

I am loving having such awesome company!

I joined you on this trip. The company is nice and oh what a view.

I think lots of the SGU°S membership is a lot more civil than me when it comes to this process, trying to avoid "petty" revenge and "unnecessary" retaliation. But me, well...Im a different sorta fan. I have no problem going to the alley with this show and throwing it against trash cans and punching it in the face. I dont want it just to be allowed to walk away with its dignity intact. After all, Atlantis was raped and murdered and left bleeding and naked with its actors thrown into the blizzard, and the story is still unfinished. The showrunners have all but ignored it, but now they have tried to write McKay and Woolsey into the show to win back our love? We are actually being BEGGED by Brad Wright to watch this show so he can continue his bullshit? HELL NO.

I am loving this whole thing. Watching them fail and squirm and waffle and beg makes me grin from ear to ear. On Wednesday ratings day, there is laughter coming from my office . Every article and review that appears about SGU and its imminent demise is a source of amusement to me.

SERVES THEM RIGHT.

 

[PegDIG2004]

Thank you!

I think lots of the SGU°S membership is a lot more civil than me when it comes to this process, trying to avoid "petty" revenge and "unnecessary" retaliation. But me, well...Im a different sorta fan. I have no problem going to the alley with this show and throwing it against trash cans and punching it in the face. I dont want it just to be allowed to walk away with its dignity intact. After all, Atlantis was raped and murdered and left bleeding and naked with its actors thrown into the blizzard, and the story is still unfinished. The showrunners have all but ignored it, but now they have tried to write McKay and Woolsey into the show to win back our love? We are actually being BEGGED by Brad Wright to watch this show so he can continue his bullshit? HELL NO.

I am loving this whole thing. Watching them fail and squirm and waffle and beg makes me grin from ear to ear. On Wednesday ratings day, there is laughter coming from my office . Every article and review that appears about SGU and its imminent demise is a source of amusement to me.

SERVES THEM RIGHT.

Thank you Overmind for standing up for all of us who have been kicked when we were down for loving previous incarnations of Stargate. I'm normally a very nice person who would never revel in the misery of others, but in this case, I am sooooooooo with you. I miss SGA every single day and get sick to my stomach when I read comments from TPTB about the horrible SGA fans and how terrible we are. I will be there cheering you on any time you want to go to the alley with this show and throw it against trash cans and punch it in the face. I am part of your angry mob! Where can I get my torch and pitch fork? Will there be cake and punch too? Because that's always great at a party.

 

[YoshiKart64]

Well, this is almost food for a new thread, but you touched on a sensitive (but significant) aspect of this whole thing:

VENGEANCE.

In a way, this experiment could be looked upon as a simple (but fatal) mistake. But thats just not the way it went down. There IS some revenge involved here. Also the need to see justice served because of so many kicks to the groin and slaps to the face. There IS a measure of satisfaction on the part of not just Atlantis fans, but Stargate fans in general. We entrusted this universe (the SG Universe) to these writers, and they discarded our loyalty to try to make a buck. Then, they didnt acknowledge their mistake, they continued to bash not only the fans, but even the previous two shows.

Personally:

1. This is a bad show and is not Stargate and thats why I want it canceled. As long as it exists, nothing else Stargate can exist.
2. The reason this show exists is because Atlantis was sacrificed to make it. That makes me angry.
3. The showrunners became arrogant first, then abusive later on. Not, they arent even remorseful, and thus seeing them fail gives me a feeling of satisfaction.
4. Giving support for this show (or any show like it) is going to be seen as "approval", so I want the clearest, loudest message to be sent in the strongest possible terms. But NOT WATCHING IT LIVE.

They have the numbers (and so do we ), and logic dictates that this show should be canceled.

If that happens, then we do sorta win. The abomination known as Stargate Universe will be canceled, and these writers and their bored ideas and recycled plots will finally be retired, and then we have a chance at a new Stargate later on. Justice will have been served. But thats just me.

As I saw mentioned elsewhere this whole viewpoint seems to be centred around wanting to see 5 or 6 producers suffer because they did something that offended you. Fair enough that you don't like them but the real victims are going to be the 1.1-7 million fans who enjoy watching the show; the producers themselves will no doubt move onto the next project or continue working on Stargate related projects. MGM itself may well move onto something more profitable than Stargate which has been shown to have a split fanbase.

As fellow sci-fi fans I would have thought you'd be in a position to understand support for a show that most people don't appreciate. At the end of the day you're essentially saying that you getting vengeance and a feeling of satisfaction is more important than all the viewers getting to watch a TV show that they like.

 

[Will]

As I saw mentioned elsewhere this whole viewpoint seems to be centred around wanting to see 5 or 6 producers suffer because they did something that offended you. Fair enough that you don't like them but the real victims are going to be the 1.1-7 million fans who enjoy watching the show; the producers themselves will no doubt move onto the next project or continue working on Stargate related projects. MGM itself may well move onto something more profitable than Stargate which has been shown to have a split fanbase.

As fellow sci-fi fans I would have thought you'd be in a position to understand support for a show that most people don't appreciate. At the end of the day you're essentially saying that you getting vengeance and a feeling of satisfaction is more important than all the viewers getting to watch a TV show that they like.

The removal of said producers does not equal the death of the Stargate franchise. In fact it is probably the only way to save it. They were struggling with ideas for SGA and tried to blag their way out of that quandry by ripping off BSG with SGU. They've failed to make a success of SGU. Stargate will never thrive until it gets some fresh ideas from fresh people.

 

[Mr. A]

Personally:This is a bad show and is not Stargate and thats why I want it canceled. As long as it exists, nothing else Stargate can exist.

1. The reason this show exists is because Atlantis was sacrificed to make it. That makes me angry.
2. The showrunners became arrogant first, then abusive later on. Not, they arent even remorseful, and thus seeing them fail gives me a feeling of satisfaction.
3. Giving support for this show (or any show like it) is going to be seen as "approval", so I want the clearest, loudest message to be sent in the strongest possible terms. But NOT WATCHING IT LIVE.

They have the numbers (and so do we ), and logic dictates that this show should be canceled.

If that happens, then we do sorta win. The abomination known as Stargate Universe will be canceled, and these writers and their bored ideas and recycled plots will finally be retired, and then we have a chance at a new Stargate later on. Justice will have been served. But thats just me.

As I saw mentioned elsewhere this whole viewpoint seems to be centred around wanting to see 5 or 6 producers suffer because they did something that offended you. Fair enough that you don't like them but the real victims are going to be the 1.1-7 million fans who enjoy watching the show; the producers themselves will no doubt move onto the next project or continue working on Stargate related projects. MGM itself may well move onto something more profitable than Stargate which has been shown to have a split fanbase.

As fellow sci-fi fans I would have thought you'd be in a position to understand support for a show that most people don't appreciate. At the end of the day you're essentially saying that you getting vengeance and a feeling of satisfaction is more important than all the viewers getting to watch a TV show that they like.

Yoshi, using that kind of logic you yourself would be selfish. Don't you care about the 4-5 million Stargate fans who enjoy watching real Stargate but can't while this abomination is in its place???

We want 4-5x as many viewers to watch a show they like, and the justice and getting back at the producers (for the way they treat the fanbase - not for "the cancellation of SGA") is just the icing on the cake!

 

[Gatefan1976]

As I saw mentioned elsewhere this whole viewpoint seems to be centred around wanting to see 5 or 6 producers suffer because they did something that offended you. Fair enough that you don't like them but the real victims are going to be the 1.1-7 million fans who enjoy watching the show; the producers themselves will no doubt move onto the next project or continue working on Stargate related projects. MGM itself may well move onto something more profitable than Stargate which has been shown to have a split fanbase.

As fellow sci-fi fans I would have thought you'd be in a position to understand support for a show that most people don't appreciate. At the end of the day you're essentially saying that you getting vengeance and a feeling of satisfaction is more important than all the viewers getting to watch a TV show that they like.

Ahh YK'64 The problem lies in WHY the fanbase was split.

See, I, like most people here DO want to see SGU off the air not because it's a "bad show" per se, but because of the damage it's mere existance has done and is continuing to do the fans (again, on both sides) and the future prospects of anything with the name "stargate" in it.

I mean, your bang on right in a way, MGM will move on, TPTB will move on (but I'm willing to bet not quickly, TVland is not very forgiving of total clusterfucks) and yes, it will be the innocent fans who cop it. Can I feel sorry for them, sure I can, AS LONG AS THEY ARE ACTUALLY INNOCENT!!. I mean, go look through a few pages of the JUST the ratings thread on GW and see how often people shit on SG1/SGA, and thats:
1) just one thread
2) the comments that survive

For these fans, I feel no sympathy whatsoever. They have taken a page from TPTB book of how to loose friends and alienate people and quite frankly, the taste of thier bitter tears is like ambrosia to me. Why, because they have done exactly what they hate us for, yet seem to lack the self awareness to realise it. It's a subject I have brought up on GW before and, for the most put got "dumb bunny" answers like "oh, I didn't mean "you", I meant the other "you", Some were downright hostile and a few were actually "ya know, you might have something there"

In the end however It comes down to a very simple truth, one that I have noted before and truly believe. SGUS has been cast as the "villains" of this drama. We're just a bunch of whiney pissed of SGA fans who won't accept that SGA is gone. We're mean and spiteful and nasty and demented and whatever the latest "buzz word" to describe us is. Hell, we're just haters.

BULLSHIT!!

We are the most loyal and passionate FANS any franchise could hope to have. We have taken the shots from every fucking man and his monkey and been made outcasts in our own homes. And WE'RE the fucking bad guys for having the sheer temerity to "fight back" We only bother because we LOVE stargate and care about it deeply and want it to go on and not be destroyed by a bunch of people who should have had the guts to walk away when they had had enough.

/rant.

*Note, in the last bit, I said "we", anyone who wishes not to be part of that "we" is free to do so.
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[YoshiKart64]

Yoshi, using that kind of logic you yourself would be selfish. Don't you care about the 4-5 million Stargate fans who enjoy watching real Stargate but can't while this abomination is in its place???

We want 4-5x as many viewers to watch a show they like, and the justice and getting back at the producers (for the way they treat the fanbase - not for "the cancellation of SGA") is just the icing on the cake!

Assuming they instantly replace it with a Stargate show that those people like. Which seems unlikely at the moment.

Plus with this logic Stargate should have been cancelled long ago for another edition of Ghosthunters which would have pleased more people.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Assuming they instantly replace it with a Stargate show that those people like. Which seems unlikely at the moment.

Plus with this logic Stargate should have been cancelled long ago for another edition of Ghosthunters which would have pleased more people.

I could be wrong here dude, but methinks Mr A was merely trying to point out the flaw in your logic by using it from "the other side", which while you picked that up immediately, sorta missed yourself.

 

[YoshiKart64]

They are completely different types of show so your comparison holds no weight. Had Ghosthunters been a sci-fi type show in the vein of Stargate you might of had a point there.

Stargate was doing fine as it was. If it aint broke don't fix it.

So if Stargate Atlantis had been replaced with Warehouse 13 then you'd be fine with that? It's a sci-fi type show with action/adventure elements and a lot of humour. It's getting better ratings than Atlantis and can apparently hold up against a fall premier week. Plus it airs on the same day Atlantis would have had to when the wrestling came in.

 

[Gatefan1976]

So if Stargate Atlantis had been replaced with Warehouse 13 then you'd be fine with that? It's a sci-fi type show with action/adventure elements and a lot of humour. It's getting better ratings than Atlantis and can apparently hold up against a fall premier week. Plus it airs on the same day Atlantis would have had to when the wrestling came in.

Stop moving the goalposts dude!

 

[YoshiKart64]

Ahh YK'64 The problem lies in WHY the fanbase was split.

See, I, like most people here DO want to see SGU off the air not because it's a "bad show" per se, but because of the damage it's mere existance has done and is continuing to do the fans (again, on both sides) and the future prospects of anything with the name "stargate" in it.

I mean, your bang on right in a way, MGM will move on, TPTB will move on (but I'm willing to bet not quickly, TVland is not very forgiving of total clusterfucks) and yes, it will be the innocent fans who cop it. Can I feel sorry for them, sure I can, AS LONG AS THEY ARE ACTUALLY INNOCENT!!. I mean, go look through a few pages of the JUST the ratings thread on GW and see how often people shit on SG1/SGA, and thats:
1) just one thread
2) the comments that survive

For these fans, I feel no sympathy whatsoever. They have taken a page from TPTB book of how to loose friends and alienate people and quite frankly, the taste of thier bitter tears is like ambrosia to me. Why, because they have done exactly what they hate us for, yet seem to lack the self awareness to realise it. It's a subject I have brought up on GW before and, for the most put got "dumb bunny" answers like "oh, I didn't mean "you", I meant the other "you", Some were downright hostile and a few were actually "ya know, you might have something there"

In the end however It comes down to a very simple truth, one that I have noted before and truly believe. SGUS has been cast as the "villains" of this drama. We're just a bunch of whiney pissed of SGA fans who won't accept that SGA is gone. We're mean and spiteful and nasty and demented and whatever the latest "buzz word" to describe us is. Hell, we're just haters.

BULLSHIT!!

We are the most loyal and passionate FANS any franchise could hope to have. We have taken the shots from every fucking man and his monkey and been made outcasts in our own homes. And WE'RE the fucking bad guys for having the sheer temerity to "fight back" We only bother because we LOVE stargate and care about it deeply and want it to go on and not be destroyed by a bunch of people who should have had the guts to walk away when they had had enough.

/rant.

*Note, in the last bit, I said "we", anyone who wishes not to be part of that "we" is free to do so.
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Sorry wanted to read this properly before responding.

Firstly the fact that a number of proper Stargate fans have been kicked aside because they don't like the show is wrong. It's also one of the reasons I'm here - we share a love of Stargate.

However I still don't think that wishing ill on a show because of the actions of a few is the correct response. Just as wrong as saying that the 'haters' of SGU are all SGA fans.

If I were you guys I'd be campaigning for the movies - hell even campaigning for a new show more akin to the old ones. It's very different to be saying "this is the kind of show I want" to "I hate this show and want it off the air". SGUSucks sends a much more negative view of the people on this board than say SG1/SGAfans does.

To sum up I appreciate that a lot of you feel there is no Stargate for you at the moment, but focusing on why you hate another show rather than the one you want to see isn't positive or right.