Lou Diamond Philips needs a job
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EvilSpaceAlien
Sinister Swede
...he's always been a guest star.
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
Nothing new for LDP, he's been on crap shows before and has gotten canceled too. I think he was on a dog (pardon the pun) called "Wolf Lake", which was about a community of werewolves. He was also on something like "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here!" I don't usually watch crap like the latter so I'm not quite sure of all the details, suffice to say he's lowered his standards for what he'll take for work.
He's still a pretty good actor though. I think the role of Telford simply wasn't a very good one, wasn't written well and wasn't really necessary for the show. Had they put him in the character of Young -- and written it better -- that would have been cool. No matter though, I don't think he's starving.
He's still a pretty good actor though. I think the role of Telford simply wasn't a very good one, wasn't written well and wasn't really necessary for the show. Had they put him in the character of Young -- and written it better -- that would have been cool. No matter though, I don't think he's starving.
I like LDP and I think he did a good job on SGU in spite of the material given to him. I think he won't have any problems landing another job, hopefully even a lead character on a long running show
He was the only REALISTIC character on the whole show. His military decorum, his reactions to stuff he saw on the ship and their behavior, and his directness about Rush being insane.
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
I didn't like how they had Telford screwing Young's wife. That was just too soap opera to me. In general, the way they fleshed out the character was just too forced and contrived in many ways. It was like they set him up to be Young's nemesis simply for the sake of forced drama, not because it was necessary. The character is likable when he's in action getting stuff done and not bogged down in petty squabbles with the drama queens on Destiny.
Well, unfortunately that sort of behavior is quite common amongst military couples. ESPECIALLY if one of them is a civilian. My CO's wife at Camp Pendleton took the opportunity of him leaving on a 30-day exercise in the Phillipines to "go through" the entire NCO barracks. I believe that 80% of all the guys who lived in those barracks (including myself) got some of that. I got busted from Corporal to Lance Corporal because My CO saw that I did not salute his car when she was driving it (yes, its a requirement). It took everything to keep a straight face when he was reprimanding me. I got the stripe back 6 months later.
But I did like the Telford character, and yes he was contrived to be Young's military nemesis. But he was WAY more believable than Young in his overall portrayal of Telford IMO.
ChromeToasterX
GateFans Noob
Indeed, after seeing him in Awakening made me wish he was the main character instead of Young, mostly because Telford actually was emotionally stable and competent, which Col. Young wasn't until after The Greater Good. Seeing him turn into a dick in Twin Destinies was a bit annoying.
Mr. A
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Since I haven't watched all episodes of season 2, maybe someone can help me out: Why is Young still commander of Destiny even though Telford came aboard. As I recall, Telford was supposed to be in command for one, and Young's superior even when at SGC. Was there any explanation?
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
Agreed.
I found his sudden change in personality to be extremely annoying. Typical bad writing from TPTB.
I found his sudden change in personality to be extremely annoying. Typical bad writing from TPTB.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Yep, there actually was.
Even though Telford is "technicly" superior to Young, the crew is loyal to Young, not Telford. Telford threatened to take control and Young basicly said "go for it, but if you think they will listen, you're a fool", thus, Young is still the "big cheese" even if he is not supposed to be.
EvilSpaceAlien
Sinister Swede
They have the same exact rank and Young was the commanding officer at Icarus Base which included Telford and the crew (except for Eli & Chloe). It was never stated that Telford was supposed to be Young's superior and at Icarus it was actually the other way around.
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
Meh, it's the Peter Principle in action, which is nothing new
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
It's obvious that Young, being extremely incompetent, was promoted to a rank and a post that inversely matched his incompetence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
It's obvious that Young, being extremely incompetent, was promoted to a rank and a post that inversely matched his incompetence.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Young was qualified, he just wanted out. I myself have been in a similar situation at work, filling in for people when all I wanted was some "downtime". It was supposed to be his "last hurrah", but it went to pot.
Not in this case. This is one of the bigger issues with SGU, namely that the military personnel are pretty much all dysfunctional and incompetent. Clowns like Young or Scott would never have gotten sensitive command assignments like this in the first place. Telford at least was somewhat realistic in his depiction, but the whole business of sleeping with Young's wife when she thought it was Young was creepy (of course so was Young using Telford's body to get it on with his wife).
It is a sad contrast to SG-1 where they actually had military consultants to help them get the depiction at least mostly right.
It is a sad contrast to SG-1 where they actually had military consultants to help them get the depiction at least mostly right.
EvilSpaceAlien
Sinister Swede
True. Though by the time the series started Young was pretty worn out and maybe even suffering from PTSD. I think he was a much better CO earlier in his career but then something happened that he never quite recovered from. I remember him talking to Telford in Subversion about some off world base that got attacked but I don't remember if he said he was there of not...
ChromeToasterX
GateFans Noob
Well, I think the idea for Young's character was that he was supposed to have burned out after seeing some people on his team die (from what I can recall of the character descriptions that came out before the show aired). They bungled that by not establishing his backstory early on, so he wound up looking like an incompetent fool who should've never risen to his rank, plus putting in all that crap with his wife.
shavedape
Well Known GateFan
I think we're all in agreement with the fact that:
A.) SGU is a pile of crap.
B.) Young is laughably incompetent.
C.) The writing is horrible due to the arrogance of the writers who obviously felt they didn't need to consult with anyone, be it fans or military advisors. The goal wasn't to write an accurate sci-fi action/adventure, it was to write a melodramatic soap.
D.) SGU is a steaming pile of crap.
A.) SGU is a pile of crap.
B.) Young is laughably incompetent.
C.) The writing is horrible due to the arrogance of the writers who obviously felt they didn't need to consult with anyone, be it fans or military advisors. The goal wasn't to write an accurate sci-fi action/adventure, it was to write a melodramatic soap.
D.) SGU is a steaming pile of crap.