Greer
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LOL!
That is such a joke about Greer...
A Master Sergeant is:
Greer is still in his 20's, and you cant even join until you are 18!
That is such a joke about Greer...
A Master Sergeant is:
- the eighth enlisted rank in the U.S. Army, just above sergeant first class, below sergeant major, and equal in grade but not authority to first sergeant. It is abbreviated as "MSG" and indicated by three chevrons above three rockers. A Master Sergeant is typically assigned as a brigade-level section noncommissioned officer in charge and serves as the subject matter expert in their field, but may also hold other positions depending on the type of unit.
- the eighth enlisted rank in the U.S. Marine Corps, just above gunnery sergeant, below master gunnery sergeant, sergeant major, and Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps. It is equal in grade to first sergeant. It is abbreviated as "MSgt." In the U.S. Marine Corps, master sergeants provide technical leadership as occupational specialists at the E-8 level. General command leadership at this paygrade is provided by the separate rank of first sergeant.
- the seventh enlisted rank in the U.S. Air Force, just above technical sergeant and below senior master sergeant. It is abbreviated as "MSgt." Advancement to master sergeant is one of the most significant promotions within the enlisted Air Force. At the rank of master sergeant, the Airman enters the senior non-commissioned tier and his or her duties begin to focus on leadership and management rather than technical performance. Per Air Force Instruction 36-2618, MSgts typically serve as flight chiefs (analogous to platoon sergeants in the U.S. Army) and section chiefs (leaders of duty sections within a squadron). It is also the lowest rank in the Air Force that one can hold in order to attain the special duty position of first sergeant. These Air Force first sergeants occupy the grades of E-7 through E-9 and are referred to officially as "first sergeant" regardless of their pay grade, and unofficially as "first shirt" or simply "the shirt." In 1991 the Air Force changed its NCO insignia so that a maximum of five stripes, or rockers, were placed on the bottom of the chevrons. The master sergeant rank insignia was changed by removing the bottom (6th) rocker, and relocating it above as a single chevron, on top of the five lower stripes.
Greer is still in his 20's, and you cant even join until you are 18!
Deity59
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Ya, when I found out Greer was a Master Sergeant and not just a Sergeant I did a li'l googlin'. Found 1 guy in logistics, took him 16 years to make grade. The I looked for someone a little more colerful and found a Master Sergeant that did it in 9 years. He was a combat medic for special forces with 3 tours in Afghanistan. Total fruit salad on his chest, multiple purple hearts. So I guess you can do it a bit faster if you are willing to be shot at in interesting ways. He also had listed a ton of his training courses like Paratroop training, low lvl jump, leadership training 1,2,3, medic training 1,2,3, etc... Apparently the armed services don't let fuck ups become master sergeants. Who knew. 
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So, if we assume that Greer is around 27-30 years old and fought against the Go'auld and the Ori it is somewhat possible. The fact that he is a total moron and a fuckup does make it unlikely, though. What were the SG recruiters thinking with that one?
Not to mention demerits and demotions!
Usually, incarceration in the military results is at least one full demotion of rank. Sometimes, they get demoted all the way to Private (E-1)! When we met Greer for the first time, he was in the Brig...did we ever find out why? He wouldnt be in charge of diddley after something like that. Let alone be a Master Sergeant!
The SGU squeedroids are hip to this, and many of them have made snarly remarks to J Mozz and Co about the apparent lack of military advisors on this show. You cant just take soldiers and then involve them is soap opera style drama without interfering with actual military protocols. And YES, those protocols even lord over personal interactions. Fraternization between officer and enlisted, between civilians and military while under civilian rule...the list is lengthy. Scott would never be allowed to sleep with Chloe every night in the same bed. If protocol is followed correctly, Scott would have to sleep with his weapon, and NOT with Chloe! For real.
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Robbie Rocket Pants is under the same sort of protocols, he can verify it since he is currently active. But it was also true when I was in the Marines.
BTW, Scott banging Lt McBoobs is perfectly permissible under military protocols. LOL. Just not while on duty.
Ya, when I found out Greer was a Master Sergeant and not just a Sergeant I did a li'l googlin'. Found 1 guy in logistics, took him 16 years to make grade. The I looked for someone a little more colerful and found a Master Sergeant that did it in 9 years. He was a combat medic for special forces with 3 tours in Afghanistan. Total fruit salad on his chest, multiple purple hearts. So I guess you can do it a bit faster if you are willing to be shot at in interesting ways. He also had listed a ton of his training courses like Paratroop training, low lvl jump, leadership training 1,2,3, medic training 1,2,3, etc... Apparently the armed services don't let fuck ups become master sergeants. Who knew.
Usually, incarceration in the military results is at least one full demotion of rank. Sometimes, they get demoted all the way to Private (E-1)! When we met Greer for the first time, he was in the Brig...did we ever find out why? He wouldnt be in charge of diddley after something like that. Let alone be a Master Sergeant!
The SGU squeedroids are hip to this, and many of them have made snarly remarks to J Mozz and Co about the apparent lack of military advisors on this show. You cant just take soldiers and then involve them is soap opera style drama without interfering with actual military protocols. And YES, those protocols even lord over personal interactions. Fraternization between officer and enlisted, between civilians and military while under civilian rule...the list is lengthy. Scott would never be allowed to sleep with Chloe every night in the same bed. If protocol is followed correctly, Scott would have to sleep with his weapon, and NOT with Chloe! For real.
. Robbie Rocket Pants is under the same sort of protocols, he can verify it since he is currently active. But it was also true when I was in the Marines.
BTW, Scott banging Lt McBoobs is perfectly permissible under military protocols. LOL. Just not while on duty.
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He punched Telford. We don't know why but it might have had something to do with Telford being a dick. On the other hand, Greer is kinda psycho so it might have been unprovoked. Either way, I don't know much about military protocol but I'm guessing punching your superiors is not ok.
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Usually, incarceration in the military results is at least one full demotion of rank. Sometimes, they get demoted all the way to Private (E-1)! When we met Greer for the first time, he was in the Brig...did we ever find out why? He wouldnt be in charge of diddley after something like that. Let alone be a Master Sergeant!
The SGU squeedroids are hip to this, and many of them have made snarly remarks to J Mozz and Co about the apparent lack of military advisors on this show. You cant just take soldiers and then involve them is soap opera style drama without interfering with actual military protocols. And YES, those protocols even lord over personal interactions. Fraternization between officer and enlisted, between civilians and military while under civilian rule...the list is lengthy. Scott would never be allowed to sleep with Chloe every night in the same bed. If protocol is followed correctly, Scott would have to sleep with his weapon, and NOT with Chloe! For real.
Robbie Rocket Pants is under the same sort of protocols, he can verify it since he is currently active. But it was also true when I was in the Marines.
BTW, Scott banging Lt McBoobs is perfectly permissible under military protocols. LOL. Just not while on duty.
Well I am just going by the standards in the British Armed Forces but here it is.
Scott/James:-
-Relationships between same ranks - allowed.
-Sexual fraternisation whilst on duty between same ranks - grosss misconduct.
Young/TJ:-
-Relationships between a one-pip-wonder (Lieutenant) & a CO (Lt Col or full Col) are strictly prohibited on professional grounds & due to conflicts of interest & favouritism.
-Sexual fraternisation between them whilst on duty - gross misconduct, kind of a no brainer.
Scott/Chloe:-
-Relationships between a member of the military & a civilian are allowed but being that he is on ops he should not be sleeping in the same scratcher as Chloe & as OM rightly said, Scott would have to sleep either with or next to his rifle (rifle state dependent upon local SOP's of course). Scott shacking up with Chloekins every night is negligent & irresponsible.
-Sexual fraternisation between a member of the military & a civilian in such an environment as the Destiny is a tricky one - the Destiny is a military-controlled vessel/installation. In an ideal situation the difference between a base on ops & a base where you are stationed in peace time has a clear divide, the same can't be said about the Destiny. The Destiny is essentially a base of ops & although civilians can live on military bases (although not usually on ops), a pre-existing relationship between the two people would have to be evident before any shared accommodation could be assigned accordingly. In the case of Scott & Chloe however, the same cannot be said as relationships were not previously declared or pre-existing as they met each other on the Destiny.
JohnSN7
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He does have the best line
This show totally fails on being realistic. I attribute that to the writers who did not do their research. Greer does have the best line in the entire show, though. During the water episode when the little dust buggers were flying around the ship, Greer made a home-made flamethrower. Eli asked, "Where did you get that?" and Greer said, "I can invent things too." That was the only time I laughed while watching this show.
This show totally fails on being realistic. I attribute that to the writers who did not do their research. Greer does have the best line in the entire show, though. During the water episode when the little dust buggers were flying around the ship, Greer made a home-made flamethrower. Eli asked, "Where did you get that?" and Greer said, "I can invent things too." That was the only time I laughed while watching this show.
Loheat
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Usually, incarceration in the military results is at least one full demotion of rank. Sometimes, they get demoted all the way to Private (E-1)! When we met Greer for the first time, he was in the Brig...did we ever find out why? He wouldnt be in charge of diddley after something like that. Let alone be a Master Sergeant!
The SGU squeedroids are hip to this, and many of them have made snarly remarks to J Mozz and Co about the apparent lack of military advisors on this show. You cant just take soldiers and then involve them is soap opera style drama without interfering with actual military protocols. And YES, those protocols even lord over personal interactions. Fraternization between officer and enlisted, between civilians and military while under civilian rule...the list is lengthy. Scott would never be allowed to sleep with Chloe every night in the same bed. If protocol is followed correctly, Scott would have to sleep with his weapon, and NOT with Chloe! For real.
Robbie Rocket Pants is under the same sort of protocols, he can verify it since he is currently active. But it was also true when I was in the Marines.
BTW, Scott banging Lt McBoobs is perfectly permissible under military protocols. LOL. Just not while on duty.
Young did drop the charges, and considering Telford is later found out to be a spy responsible for the deaths of 30-some people, there is a lot more to it than just Telford being a dick. Of course all that is found out in the third-to-last episode. This gives Young some excuse to letting him out if he knew Telford was brainwashed all along.
I was also surprised to find out that SGU does actually have a military adviser, someone named Angeligue MacDonald. Theres apparently an interview with her in the last episode of the official Stargate magazine, would be interesting to hear what they say given all the flack SGU has gotten from that
Yllek
GateFans Noob
I have been watching this show with the vague impression that Scott is higher in rank than Greer? (Col. Young telling Scott he's in charge and all.)
So if it took Greer at least ten years to become Master Sergeant, how did Baby Face I-dunno-what-i'm-doing-Scott become his superior??
So if it took Greer at least ten years to become Master Sergeant, how did Baby Face I-dunno-what-i'm-doing-Scott become his superior??
Aragon101
Illusive Deity of Fanfic
The old one-knee approach on Telford when he was on the base. That would explain Telford's shock when he was having sex with a WOMAN of all things.
ChromeToasterX
GateFans Noob
Scott is a Lieutenant, so he went with the officers career track (aka the smart one), while Greer went enlisted apparently straight out of high school.
Yllek
GateFans Noob
Never in the world have I read a character description that ridiculous. And not only do they find somebody to play the role, Mr Jamil Walker Smith aspires to be JUST LIKE GREER IN REAL LIFE, YOU GUYS! Because Greer is so disciplined! :shepsalute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBQHPprCFA
Thats a joke...
If the ACTUAL military was a consultant for the show like they were for SG-1 and SGA, they would receive a credit. I have actually LOOKED for such credits and there arent any for the USAF, USMC or even a credit for "Military Adviser" anywhere.
A quick search for this bitch turned up this: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3782088/
She was the "military advisor" for Iron Man 1 and 2...notable for the fact that the same egregious flaws with military protocols were thrown to the wind then as well. At least Iron Man wasnt trying to be serious. SGA is supposed to be "realistic". Do they realize how many active duty and discharged soldiers (male and female) there are today? More than in many years past. And the few who are science fiction fans will have seen this show and its "military" people and said out loud: "WTF?"
Perhaps Ms MacDonald is the friend of a friend of a wife of an ex reserve military officer in the French Army of WW2? :roll:
If the ACTUAL military was a consultant for the show like they were for SG-1 and SGA, they would receive a credit. I have actually LOOKED for such credits and there arent any for the USAF, USMC or even a credit for "Military Adviser" anywhere.
A quick search for this bitch turned up this: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3782088/
She was the "military advisor" for Iron Man 1 and 2...notable for the fact that the same egregious flaws with military protocols were thrown to the wind then as well. At least Iron Man wasnt trying to be serious. SGA is supposed to be "realistic". Do they realize how many active duty and discharged soldiers (male and female) there are today? More than in many years past. And the few who are science fiction fans will have seen this show and its "military" people and said out loud: "WTF?"
Perhaps Ms MacDonald is the friend of a friend of a wife of an ex reserve military officer in the French Army of WW2? :roll:
Deity59
GateFans Noob
According to her facebook page she is currently in Iraq. Isn't SGU shooting now? BTW she is part of the Air Force's public affairs division. She is a spokeswoman. It looks like they called up the military and ask if they could ask some questions and the Air Force sent her over to answer them. It does not look like she was there full time as a technical adviser. The irony here is, she is an actual Master Sergeant.
Deity59
GateFans Noob
http://www.airforcehollywood.af.mil/
That is the air force entertainment liaison office. Under recently supported projects SGU is listed 4th.
Maybe we should write them and tell them what a shit job they did.
Ah, OK, go through the FAQ section of this site. It is very enlightening. It looks to me that to get "official" support from the military there are a few hoops to jump through. You can ask for a lower level of assistance, this is from section 5 of the FAQ
Will the Air Force review my project to point out errors without my seeking official assistance?
The Air Force can provide courtesy assistance to your project. The main difference between full and courtesy assistance is that we cannot provide access to facilities, equipment or personnel for filming unless a project is approved for full support. With courtesy assistance, we will review your script and point out errors that you may or may not want to correct. We can also advise you on the correct types of equipment to use and the markings for them. If you would like, we may be able to visit the set to provide some assistance as well.
So the Official Air Force support is one of those "yeah, but" kind of things.
BTW this is what they have of SG-1 in the portfolio section
Stargate SG-1
- Script and wardrobe research
- Dialog assistance
- On-set technical advice
- Equipment and location filming at NORAD, Cheyenne Mountain, CO
No such entry for SGU.
That is the air force entertainment liaison office. Under recently supported projects SGU is listed 4th.
Maybe we should write them and tell them what a shit job they did.
Ah, OK, go through the FAQ section of this site. It is very enlightening. It looks to me that to get "official" support from the military there are a few hoops to jump through. You can ask for a lower level of assistance, this is from section 5 of the FAQ
Will the Air Force review my project to point out errors without my seeking official assistance?
The Air Force can provide courtesy assistance to your project. The main difference between full and courtesy assistance is that we cannot provide access to facilities, equipment or personnel for filming unless a project is approved for full support. With courtesy assistance, we will review your script and point out errors that you may or may not want to correct. We can also advise you on the correct types of equipment to use and the markings for them. If you would like, we may be able to visit the set to provide some assistance as well.
So the Official Air Force support is one of those "yeah, but" kind of things.
BTW this is what they have of SG-1 in the portfolio section
Stargate SG-1
- Script and wardrobe research
- Dialog assistance
- On-set technical advice
- Equipment and location filming at NORAD, Cheyenne Mountain, CO
No such entry for SGU.
So they listed to her and then did whatever the hell THEY wanted to do.
My bet is that she told them how its supposed to be, then they took that and changed it to whatever the fuck they wanted to do. It goes with the whole attitude of this show, like it says in my signature. "If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.". They threw the Stargate out with the humor and fun, and did whatever the hell they wanted to do, screw the fans and screw the military advice.
"There is a military adviser"
:roll:
My bet is that she told them how its supposed to be, then they took that and changed it to whatever the fuck they wanted to do. It goes with the whole attitude of this show, like it says in my signature. "If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.". They threw the Stargate out with the humor and fun, and did whatever the hell they wanted to do, screw the fans and screw the military advice.
"There is a military adviser"
:roll:
Deity59
GateFans Noob
According to the FAQ to get full blown tech support you need to sign a contract with the Air Force and there are lots of things in it that the SGU people wouldn't like. Also if you look in the credits section of the FAQ it states that you can't use one if the military doesn't approve it. Makes you go Hmmmmm, doesn't it.
It makes me go A HA!
Of course. Now THAT makes perfect sense. They are doing "military" the way that Iron Man did it, which is also way off what reality is. For a look at how the real deal looks, take a look at SG-1 (seasons 1-6) and also the movie Starship Troopers. In my opinion, Starship Troopers (the original) was the closest to a REAL military portrayal than any science fiction I have seen to date. From the way the grunts were and how their boot camp operated, to the interactions within the ranks of the enlisted, to the ranks of the Officers and their interactions with the enlisteds...perfection. They managed to fast forward the settings and still maintain COMPLETE compliance with military protocols. Impressive.
Of course. Now THAT makes perfect sense. They are doing "military" the way that Iron Man did it, which is also way off what reality is. For a look at how the real deal looks, take a look at SG-1 (seasons 1-6) and also the movie Starship Troopers. In my opinion, Starship Troopers (the original) was the closest to a REAL military portrayal than any science fiction I have seen to date. From the way the grunts were and how their boot camp operated, to the interactions within the ranks of the enlisted, to the ranks of the Officers and their interactions with the enlisteds...perfection. They managed to fast forward the settings and still maintain COMPLETE compliance with military protocols. Impressive.