Greer Unappreciation Thread

[Joelist]

I know there is another Greer thread, but it seems more about him somehow being a Master Segeant in his mid twenties. This is more about our favorite psycho soldier.

Like all of the other military they have shown, Greer is completely unbelievable as a soldier (to say nothing of a Master Sergeant). He never would have passed the Air Force psych screening. Also, once diagnosed with a psych disorder (that requires meds no less) he would have been immediately discharged for medical reasons. but, we are supposed to believe that he somehow not only made Master Sargent in a completely unrealistic amount of time (he would have had to have enlisted around the age of 12 to have made it by his current age) but that he passed all the screening to be part of the Stargate program.

Who the heck was doing the screening for these "miliatry personnel"? Da Ali G? Between him, Young and Scott (aka the Gigolo) the picture here is of utter military incompetance.

 

[Robbie_Rocket_Pants]

I know there is another Greer thread, but it seems more about him somehow being a Master Segeant in his mid twenties. This is more about our favorite psycho soldier.

Like all of the other military they have shown, Greer is completely unbelievable as a soldier (to say nothing of a Master Sergeant). He never would have passed the Air Force psych screening. Also, once diagnosed with a psych disorder (that requires meds no less) he would have been immediately discharged for medical reasons. but, we are supposed to believe that he somehow not only made Master Sargent in a completely unrealistic amount of time (he would have had to have enlisted around the age of 12 to have made it by his current age) but that he passed all the screening to be part of the Stargate program.

Who the heck was doing the screening for these "miliatry personnel"? Da Ali G? Between him, Young and Scott (aka the Gigolo) the picture here is of utter military incompetance.

I see you have been reading mine & Overmind's handy work. Incidently you forgot to mention the fact of him being a negative racial stereotype - the angry black man.

I myself think that the only believable part about his character as a military man is that he's as hard as nails - he's tough as a soldier should be. Also, his unwavering loyalty to his OC & his almost zombie-like, absolutist stance with regards to orders & SOP's are very American military (from what I've come to understand about US mil procedures)............. "sorry Sir I can't let you through this gate to save you dying daughter without prior consent from my CO! Please get back in your vehicle & turn around!". No offence to Overmind or the US military. You still rock

 

[Gatefan1976]

I know there is another Greer thread, but it seems more about him somehow being a Master Segeant in his mid twenties. This is more about our favorite psycho soldier.

Like all of the other military they have shown, Greer is completely unbelievable as a soldier (to say nothing of a Master Sergeant). He never would have passed the Air Force psych screening. Also, once diagnosed with a psych disorder (that requires meds no less) he would have been immediately discharged for medical reasons. but, we are supposed to believe that he somehow not only made Master Sargent in a completely unrealistic amount of time (he would have had to have enlisted around the age of 12 to have made it by his current age) but that he passed all the screening to be part of the Stargate program.

Who the heck was doing the screening for these "miliatry personnel"? Da Ali G? Between him, Young and Scott (aka the Gigolo) the picture here is of utter military incompetance.

I'd really like to say something clever and smart about this, but you already have.:beckettu:

 

[Joelist]

I see you have been reading mine & Overmind's handy work. Incidently you forgot to mention the fact of him being a negative racial stereotype - the angry black man.

I myself think that the only believable part about his character as a military man is that he's as hard as nails - he's tough as a soldier should be. Also, his unwavering loyalty to his OC & his almost zombie-like, absolutist stance with regards to orders & SOP's are very American military (from what I've come to understand about US mil procedures)............. "sorry Sir I can't let you through this gate to save you dying daughter without prior consent from my CO! Please get back in your vehicle & turn around!". No offence to Overmind or the US military. You still rock

Actually the US military has a long tradition about orders and SOPs - follow but use your common sense too. The zombie-like stance thing is a hollywood creation from people who have never served a day (and typically are anti-military to boot). This idea of applying reasoning to your orders comes into play even more with special forces (which the SG teams are in theory).

 

[Robbie_Rocket_Pants]

Actually the US military has a long tradition about orders and SOPs - follow but use your common sense too. The zombie-like stance thing is a hollywood creation from people who have never served a day (and typically are anti-military to boot). This idea of applying reasoning to your orders comes into play even more with special forces (which the SG teams are in theory).

Oh right, fair enough. I thought the US military's orders system was very rigid & didn't encourage improvisation, guess I was told wrong.

 

[Taiko]

Oh right, fair enough. I thought the US military's orders system was very rigid & didn't encourage improvisation, guess I was told wrong.

That was the Soviet system. The Western system, besides Israel, depends upon long service NCOs interpreting Officer orders and making them work. The USAF, not the Marines, tend to be officer heavy for their combat forces so Stargate being Air Force heavy is an aberation of the US and other Western militaries

 

[Overmind One]

You were NOT told wrong.

Oh right, fair enough. I thought the US military's orders system was very rigid & didn't encourage improvisation, guess I was told wrong.

No, you werent told wrong. The military orders system IS rigid, and does NOT encourage improvisation. Modifications or variances on the carrying out of those orders must be explained, especially if those variations were not due to an unforeseen variable or element.

That was the Soviet system. The Western system, besides Israel, depends upon long service NCOs interpreting Officer orders and making them work. The USAF, not the Marines, tend to be officer heavy for their combat forces so Stargate being Air Force heavy is an aberation of the US and other Western militaries

The length of service has no bearing on the issuance of orders to subordinates. Rank does. Many long term military personnel are privates or lance corporals because they were demoted in rank. A 22 year old 2nd Lieutenant (butter bars) outranks a 20-year + Master Sergeant in all branches of the US military and paramilitary services (like the Coast Guard and National Guard).

Whatever these people in SGU think they are doing in those Air Force and Marines uniforms is beyond me...

 

[Taiko]

No, you werent told wrong. The military orders system IS rigid, and does NOT encourage improvisation. Modifications or variances on the carrying out of those orders must be explained, especially if those variations were not due to an unforeseen variable or element.



The length of service has no bearing on the issuance of orders to subordinates. Rank does. Many long term military personnel are privates or lance corporals because they were demoted in rank. A 22 year old 2nd Lieutenant (butter bars) outranks a 20-year + Master Sergeant in all branches of the US military and paramilitary services (like the Coast Guard and National Guard).

Whatever these people in SGU think they are doing in those Air Force and Marines uniforms is beyond me...

its a dance that is played in interpersonal relationships, A brand new nugget may outrank his Platoon Sergeant or First Sergeant but he does not run wild issuing orders against the senior man's advice without being dressed down by his more experienced Captain and/or Colonel. There's a joke about MPs but it applies to senior NCOs also "sir, don't confuse your rank with my authority". Officers issue broad guidelines, the NCO corp makes them work.

In the US service there are no long term junior enlisted, up or out applies to NCOs as much as it does to commissioned officers. If they were busted they would not be allowed to reenlist because such demotions come as part of felony convictions.

 

[Robbie_Rocket_Pants]

No, you werent told wrong. The military orders system IS rigid, and does NOT encourage improvisation. Modifications or variances on the carrying out of those orders must be explained, especially if those variations were not due to an unforeseen variable or element.

Thanks for clearing that up, I thought I was told correctly as it was during a junior NCO cadre course & the class was told that by the instructor who was a Staff Sergeant who knew his shit.