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YJ02

Well Known GateFan
Right off the bat....you cant use some packaged program that writes code for you to create unique programs. You need to study HTML5 and you better be using Git to do it. Dreamweaver is still an excellent coding app. :) But coding is quite lucrative :) You can make a ton of cash doing it.

In the video, they show very young kids writing code. Here is my tech naivete again; where is that code "going" for lack of my ability to use the right term? Another words, when she or anyone writes code and they are not making something, does it "go" anyplace or just hang out in the vast emptiness of the interwebs? :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:

What does writing code actually do? Now I remember way back in HS-1982 I think, we had a dinky computer class, of course, it was all green screen dos. Our teacher had us make simple games or something using "if thens" and other commands with a bunch of 1's and 0's-was that anything like writing code?
 

Overmind One

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In the video, they show very young kids writing code. Here is my tech naivete again; where is that code "going" for lack of my ability to use the right term? Another words, when she or anyone writes code and they are not making something, does it "go" anyplace or just hang out in the vast emptiness of the interwebs? :icon_e_surprised: :icon_lol:

What does writing code actually do? Now I remember way back in HS-1982 I think, we had a dinky computer class, of course, it was all green screen dos. Our teacher had us make simple games or something using "if thens" and other commands with a bunch of 1's and 0's-was that anything like writing code?

THAT is the key, my friend...you have to have a "vision" for the end product/website/game/app. Being able to code is one thing, but creating something people want to use and pay for is something else entirely. An "app" that merely changes your Android wallpaper to Justin Bieber, and makes your ringtones out of his songs might make a ton of money being sold to pre-teen girls. Yet another app which calculates your BMI and recommends a diet based on real-time searches of nutrition labels (just a theoretical example) might sit unsold. Then there are the ecosystems: Google Play, Apps Store for Apple, and online digital downloads/monetized websites. What do you offer? Who is the competition? What do people WANT? Flooding the market with mediocre "coders" is the same as thinking that American Idol winners are automatically going to be big music stars.
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
THAT is the key, my friend...you have to have a "vision" for the end product/website/game/app. Being able to code is one thing, but creating something people want to use and pay for is something else entirely. An "app" that merely changes your Android wallpaper to Justin Bieber, and makes your ringtones out of his songs might make a ton of money being sold to pre-teen girls. Yet another app which calculates your BMI and recommends a diet based on real-time searches of nutrition labels (just a theoretical example) might sit unsold. Then there are the ecosystems: Google Play, Apps Store for Apple, and online digital downloads/monetized websites. What do you offer? Who is the competition? What do people WANT? Flooding the market with mediocre "coders" is the same as thinking that American Idol winners are automatically going to be big music stars.

Ok
 

Gatefan1976

Well Known GateFan
If these are the people I *think* they are, (offering free coding courses??), their goal is to make everyone capable of coding computers as another language, much like teaching English or Spanish or whatever.
Knowing how computer "talk" is a good skill to have, even if you only use it "conversationally" as opposed to affecting massive change or commercializing the ability.
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
How about writing code for a video game that is actually worth playing? That's what I'd love to do. :encouragement:


P.S. How easy is it to learn to write code and what kind of money can realistically be expected for the job?
 

Overmind One

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How about writing code for a video game that is actually worth playing? That's what I'd love to do. :encouragement:


P.S. How easy is it to learn to write code and what kind of money can realistically be expected for the job?

Starting salary for a beginning coder is usually hourly. Expect somewhere in the neighborhood of $80 an hour. A skilled developer starts at around $120k.

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YJ02

Well Known GateFan
Starting salary for a beginning coder is usually hourly. Expect somewhere in the neighborhood of $80 an hour. A skilled developer starts at around $120k.

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Ok but what if the ppl of this group I referenced above get even a part of their way and get more ppl writing code? You may have fewer ppl willing to buy something that they or their neighbor can make OR you will get TOO many ppl in the field and with a greater supply of workers the demand, and the pay, goes down.

Like the old VCR repairman or video cameramen hired to vid a birthday-once cam corders came around-see ya!

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Do companies that make hardware, like tablets and phones, allow it fro the owner to put their own programs in to the machine? If so, does it void contracts and warranties?

Say you got a new smart ph from Verizon, or who ever, and you put in your own stuff. The something unrelated to what you did goes wrong, The ppl see you did load your own program/code/wtf ever and say "you owe us for the full amount of the ph since you "f'd" your contract by tampering with our equipment" They would be able to do that yes? So do they "defend" from this by making it harder to load your own programs?
 

Overmind One

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Ok but what if the ppl of this group I referenced above get even a part of their way and get more ppl writing code? You may have fewer ppl willing to buy something that they or their neighbor can make OR you will get TOO many ppl in the field and with a greater supply of workers the demand, and the pay, goes down.

Like the old VCR repairman or video cameramen hired to vid a birthday-once cam corders came around-see ya!

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Do companies that make hardware, like tablets and phones, allow it fro the owner to put their own programs in to the machine? If so, does it void contracts and warranties?

Say you got a new smart ph from Verizon, or who ever, and you put in your own stuff. The something unrelated to what you did goes wrong, The ppl see you did load your own program/code/wtf ever and say "you owe us for the full amount of the ph since you "f'd" your contract by tampering with our equipment" They would be able to do that yes? So do they "defend" from this by making it harder to load your own programs?

No, that is what the Developer is about. Not only do they get all of the source code (except with Apple), but they get "development platforms" provided by the company. In the case of all Android devices, the top dawg is Google and they GIVE you the SDK for developing apps for free. There is a fee of $25.00 to be an Android developer, and I myself have a developer license from them but have not published any apps. For Apple, the licensing for developers costs $125.00, but they provide the SDK for developers after that. Apple adds a layer of "approval" to what goes in the app store. In the case of a PC, an "OEM" branded install costs nothing and it does not void any warranty. If you do things to your phone like "rooting" (gaining root access), then you try and hack things and end up bricking the phone, you do void the warranty. Most carriers void the warranty when they see you have rooted your device. This goes for jailbreaking as well.
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
Saw Joe Flannigan on Major Crimes this week- he is looking a bit rough around the edges- botox? :P Also the annoying Tweedle #2 on Wonderland is played by the same guy who played the VVVEEERRRYYY annoying Dr. Kavanaugh on SGA (Ben Cotton) . Nice to see SGA people still working a bit. :P
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan
Saw Joe Flannigan on Major Crimes this week- he is looking a bit rough around the edges- botox? :P Also the annoying Tweedle #2 on Wonderland is played by the same guy who played the VVVEEERRRYYY annoying Dr. Kavanaugh on SGA (Ben Cotton) . Nice to see SGA people still working a bit. :P

Yeah, I saw Flannigan too, which is odd as I don't usually watch that show. He is looking older. And the character he played was kind of weird; not what we usually expect from him. But I'm okay with that since it shows he has an acting range and isn't just a one-note kind of actor. Of course he didn't get much chance to show his acting chops as he was in only a couple scenes.
 

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
No, that is what the Developer is about. Not only do they get all of the source code (except with Apple), but they get "development platforms" provided by the company. In the case of all Android devices, the top dawg is Google and they GIVE you the SDK for developing apps for free. There is a fee of $25.00 to be an Android developer, and I myself have a developer license from them but have not published any apps. For Apple, the licensing for developers costs $125.00, but they provide the SDK for developers after that. Apple adds a layer of "approval" to what goes in the app store. In the case of a PC, an "OEM" branded install costs nothing and it does not void any warranty. If you do things to your phone like "rooting" (gaining root access), then you try and hack things and end up bricking the phone, you do void the warranty. Most carriers void the warranty when they see you have rooted your device. This goes for jailbreaking as well.

Ok...yeah, that all didn't go straight over my head or anything :icon_e_surprised:
 

shavedape

Well Known GateFan

YJ02

Well Known GateFan
I hate to break it to you but it's still a "crime" in most of the world. Doesn't stop it from happening though. ;)

Right, I know. This post was more of a "someone tried progress and failed" type of thing.

It is ironic though, such open denial. India has one of the world's largest populations of male homosexuals. Nearly all enter into arranged marriages, have children and live a separate homosexual lifestyle.

There are a small few who having separate "qualities" of eccentric behavior that are considered to be slightly shamanistic or at least good luck for the community whose sexuality is looked at as not being homosexual, but an intrinsic part of their special "abilities".

Regular "Joe Hindustani" who wears a shirt and jeans, goes to work and resists arranged marriage is the one who is the most apt to be charged and jailed.
 

shavedape

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YJ02

Well Known GateFan
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(FROM Memolition)
"The seven deadly sins (for those who don't concern themselves with such things and/or have never seen that creepy Brad Pitt movie) are, in no particular order: wrath, envy, greed, gluttony, sloth, lust and pride.

Seeking to discover where in America those sins are most prevalent, a group of geographers from Kansas State University did some research using data on things such as number of fast food restaurants per capita (gluttony), number of thefts and robberies (envy), and average incomes compared with the number of inhabitants living beneath the poverty line (greed).

The maps originally were created in 2009, but recently popped up again thanks to a blog at memolition.

WRATH
Here are a few examples, starting with wrath. Red indicates higher rates of violent crimes per capita. Blue indicates lower rates. The southeast and central California look particularly bad. Those seeking a peaceful (if chilly) life would do well to move to North Dakota.

GLUTTONY
Here's gluttony. Researchers looked at the number of fast food restaurants per capita. Love cheap burgers? Virginia and North Carolina are apparently the places to be.

GREED
Perhaps most interesting is the map on greed, which compares average incomes with the number of people living below the poverty line"
 

Rac80

The Belle of the Ball
greedmapinteresting-world-maps-3.jpg
wrathinteresting-world-maps-0.jpg
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gluttinteresting-world-maps-2.jpg

(FROM Memolition)
"The seven deadly sins (for those who don't concern themselves with such things and/or have never seen that creepy Brad Pitt movie) are, in no particular order: wrath, envy, greed, gluttony, sloth, lust and pride.

Seeking to discover where in America those sins are most prevalent, a group of geographers from Kansas State University did some research using data on things such as number of fast food restaurants per capita (gluttony), number of thefts and robberies (envy), and average incomes compared with the number of inhabitants living beneath the poverty line (greed).

The maps originally were created in 2009, but recently popped up again thanks to a blog at memolition.

WRATH
Here are a few examples, starting with wrath. Red indicates higher rates of violent crimes per capita. Blue indicates lower rates. The southeast and central California look particularly bad. Those seeking a peaceful (if chilly) life would do well to move to North Dakota.

GLUTTONY
Here's gluttony. Researchers looked at the number of fast food restaurants per capita. Love cheap burgers? Virginia and North Carolina are apparently the places to be.

GREED
Perhaps most interesting is the map on greed, which compares average incomes with the number of people living below the poverty line"
it doesn't surprise me that there are more murders in warm climes- sociologists figured out years ago that the murder rate goes up in warm weather. In the winter when it's cold most people stay indoors and away from others. (other than domestic violence- those rates stay the same year around it seems) Years ago a sociology prof did a study that showed when ice cream sales go up so do murders- thus proving that correlation does NOT mean causation - the same thing causes both - warm weather and longer days. :D
 
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