Continuum - This one is a Keeper! Season Two already approved

[Gatefan1976]

If there are undisturbed timelines when you 'jump' time, Why when in the future old Alex told Garza she is pretty, she kept asking young Alex that question, then tells Alex about the meeting. Does this show the time lines are mixed or just depending on the amount of "power" used in the transport the father you are tossed from the timeline you left from.

If that makes any sense.

You mean like the quantum mirror in SG-1?
More power allows you to "change the channel" more?

 

[Backstep]

You mean like the quantum mirror in SG-1?
More power allows you to "change the channel" more?

Yeah, but that doesn't explain why nothing happening to Kellog when his grandmother was killed. I'm still waiting to see how they fill that plot hole.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Yeah, but that doesn't explain why nothing happening to Kellog when his grandmother was killed. I'm still waiting to see how they fill that plot hole.

Didn't they say Maddie may not have been his grandmother?

 

[Bluce Ree]

If there are undisturbed timelines when you 'jump' time, Why when in the future old Alex told Garza she is pretty, she kept asking young Alex that question, then tells Alex about the meeting. Does this show the time lines are mixed or just depending on the amount of "power" used in the transport the father you are tossed from the timeline you left from.

If that makes any sense.

Doesn't make any sense.

The alternate timeline principle is more like parallel universes.

One school of thought states that you cannot change your past. If you travel back and kill your father, you cease to exist, which means there was no you to travel back and kill him. So, it either becomes an infinite loop or you are just unable to change the past.

The other school of thought states that you would be creating a new reality hat does not affect your existing timeline. You would now be an orphaned subject in this new universe. You've essentially creates or jumped into a parallel universe where you never exist. The only way for you to go back would be to jump back to a few moments before you appear and kill your father, kill that other you and restore the timeline. Now you could go forward And return to your time as it was.

There are other variables. For instance, were you seen or did you slow a car down when crossing a street or any other number of insignificant events you may have causes that could butterfly outward.

Anyhow, it makes the head spin.



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[Bluce Ree]

Yeah, but that doesn't explain why nothing happening to Kellog when his grandmother was killed. I'm still waiting to see how they fill that plot hole.

Alternate timeline principle. Their presence altered events that creates a derivative timeline. They're now in an alternate reality.


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[Gatefan1976]

Add personal timeline to that mix as well

 

[Backstep]

Doesn't make any sense.

The alternate timeline principle is more like parallel universes.

One school of thought states that you cannot change your past. If you travel back and kill your father, you cease to exist, which means there was no you to travel back and kill him. So, it either becomes an infinite loop or you are just unable to change the past.

The other school of thought states that you would be creating a new reality hat does not affect your existing timeline. You would now be an orphaned subject in this new universe. You've essentially creates or jumped into a parallel universe where you never exist. The only way for you to go back would be to jump back to a few moments before you appear and kill your father, kill that other you and restore the timeline. Now you could go forward And return to your time as it was.

There are other variables. For instance, were you seen or did you slow a car down when crossing a street or any other number of insignificant events you may have causes that could butterfly outward.

Anyhow, it makes the head spin.



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It still brings up the quantum mirror in SG-1 where you can go to a reality in which you were never born and kill your father with no paradox. Yes, i agree this can make your head spin.

 

[Backstep]

Didn't they say Maddie may not have been his grandmother?

It's possible Maddie was not his gran, but she was in the right house, had the correct name. Still I like to see how that is explained, please not a unknown twin as the answer.

 

[Bluce Ree]

It still brings up the quantum mirror in SG-1 where you can go to a reality in which you were never born and kill your father with no paradox. Yes, i agree this can make your head spin.

Those are existing parallel universes, different concept. They weren't spawned by time travelers creating alternate timelines.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Those are existing parallel universes, different concept. They weren't spawned by time travelers creating alternate timelines.

Yup, that's multiverse theory.

 

[Backstep]

Those are existing parallel universes, different concept. They weren't spawned by time travelers creating alternate timelines.

This is where I was trying to go, If you jump in time far enough from the reality you are from, that universe can have your father who never met your mother and kill him with no paradox. the universe already exists you jump into it, now you changed a universe you were never intended to be in. Then kill a man who you think is your father.

 

[shavedape]

So if Kiera isn't affecting her own timeline why is she so bent on stopping Liber8 ? Or does she realize that it's a moot point and simply wants to get back home now?

 

[Bluce Ree]

This is where I was trying to go, If you jump in time far enough from the reality you are from, that universe can have your father who never met your mother and kill him with no paradox. the universe already exists you jump into it, now you changed a universe you were never intended to be in. Then kill a man who you think is your father.

You're confusing parallel universes and time travel. A time traveler goes back and forth in linear time and can only affect his/her timeline. They don't jump between parallel universes (or realities).



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[Bluce Ree]

So if Kiera isn't affecting her own timeline why is she so bent on stopping Liber8 ? Or does she realize that it's a moot point and simply wants to get back home now?

Kiera wants to stop Liber8 to keep her timeline intact. So far, no major event has occurred that we know of. If, for example, Alec dies in the past then that would change the timeline as she knows it.

I think Kiera is also not completely aware of time mechanics and paradoxes. If she had managed to stop Alec's brother from being a terrorist, her timeline would not be the one she came from.



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[shavedape]

Kiera wants to stop Liber8 to keep her timeline intact. So far, no major event has occurred that we know of. If, for example, Alec dies in the past then that would change the timeline as she knows it.

I think Kiera is also not completely aware of time mechanics and paradoxes. If she had managed to stop Alec's brother from being a terrorist, her timeline would not be the one she came from.

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Yes but if we're talking parallel universes here then her timeline won't be affected no matter what as she isn't "playing in the sandbox" of her own timeline, nes't pas?

 

[Overmind One]

So if Kiera isn't affecting her own timeline why is she so bent on stopping Liber8 ? Or does she realize that it's a moot point and simply wants to get back home now?

BLAM. She CANT get back to what she considers "home". I thought that is why they went through the teary Analyst scene with her son this season. I love this show, and I try and ignore the whole time travel thing because I don't believe in it. But as a storytelling device it works well. They need to stay away from the "science" of it though, since science no longer backs the idea that anyone can "travel" through time. All of this paradox talk and alternate timelines stuff leads to undermining the premise of the story IMO.

 

[Bluce Ree]

Yes but if we're talking parallel universes here then her timeline won't be affected no matter what as she isn't "playing in the sandbox" of her own timeline, nes't pas?

From Kiera's perspective, the original timeline no longer exists. Time for her is linear.

Picture your timeline as a railroad track. A time traveler can only go back and forth in a straight line. Let's say you go back in time, prevent your parents from meeting, which nullifies your birth and your role in the timeline. Assuming paradoxes are impossible, you've just created a fork on the railroad, redirected your timeline to the new track and disconnected from the original. Although the original timeline exists somewhere, to you it has ceased to exist and there is no way for you to jump into it.

You could go back to the original fork and prevent yourself from altering the timeline, thus restoring what would appear to be the original timeline from your perspective but, other than that, you cannot jump to the other track.

Kiera wants to go home. If her timeline alters, her home will no longer exist *for her* as she knows it. Her husband may be dead or married to someone else, her kid will never have been born, etc.



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[Bluce Ree]

If we consider the paradox angle, Kiera would not be able to alter anything in the past. Every action she would take would negate itself immediately, thus making her purely an observer with no power to intervene or interact.
If she kills Alec, there would be no future Alec to build the time device for her to travel back in time and the event negates. So, either she would create an endless loop for herself or she simply cannot interact with the past.

That's the paradox version.


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[shavedape]

From Kiera's perspective, the original timeline no longer exists. Time for her is linear.

Picture your timeline as a railroad track. A time traveler can only go back and forth in a straight line. Let's say you go back in time, prevent your parents from meeting, which nullifies your birth and your role in the timeline. Assuming paradoxes are impossible, you've just created a fork on the railroad, redirected your timeline to the new track and disconnected from the original. Although the original timeline exists somewhere, to you it has ceased to exist and there is no way for you to jump into it.

You could go back to the original fork and prevent yourself from altering the timeline, thus restoring what would appear to be the original timeline from your perspective but, other than that, you cannot jump to the other track.

Kiera wants to go home. If her timeline alters, her home will no longer exist *for her* as she knows it. Her husband may be dead or married to someone else, her kid will never have been born, etc.



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So you're saying there aren't using the parallel universe premise then, correct?

 

[Bluce Ree]

So you're saying there aren't using the parallel universe premise then, correct?

Correct. Otherwise they'd have a dimensional jump device instead of a time travel one.

Check out Sliders. That was an awesome show about alternate universes until TPTB (againat the show creator's will) screwed it up in the 3rd season and turned it into a turd.


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