CONFIRMED: V has risen 6% in week to week ratings.

[YoshiKart64]

Um, the tongue is "sticking out" and isn't "in cheek". That can be taken quite easily as a taunt and not as an admission of jocularity. Yoshi likes SGU. He wants to write a review for an episode. He used a tongue-sticking-out emoticon. It's quite easy to infer that he had a bias and was intending to write a positive review of the show and was flaunting that intent by using that particular emoticon. He has since clarified his intentions, but obviously since he needed to clarify them then he wasn't clear to begin with.

But let's not get bogged down in such a trivial argument. I'm more interested in the meat of this topic, and that is the survival chances of "V" and can it transition to SyFy if need be.

Wow, thats quite the stretch.

And yes, V. It's ratings are below what one would expect for renewal on network and the "transition" to Syfy hasn't been mentioned anywhere but here. Would you not think something like Chuck would be first choice if it could happen. The fanbase is certainly more solid and the online attention it would receive from very vocal fans would draw people to the network.

 

[Overmind One]

Just saw this....

It's avoiding tanking and overall the numbers have been stable at 1.7-9ish, but that's still a low number for ABC. I'd still be interested to see how much the show costs since Syfy airing re-runs compared with ordering a new season are at two ends of the spectrum.

That info is WRONG, Yoshi. It started out around 8 MILLION and now its down to "only" just over 5 MILLION viewers. It has NEVER been 1.(anything) for any episode. Where did you pull that info out of?

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

That info is WRONG, Yoshi. It started out around 8 MILLION and now its down to "only" just over 5 MILLION viewers. It has NEVER been 1.(anything) for any episode. Where did you pull that info out of?

I'm assuming that he's talking about the 18-49 ratings share, which has been hovering around 1.7-9.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Can we please not go here again

 

[Overmind One]

Can we please not go here again

OK.

But the point of the thread is that V is uptrending and that is GREAT news for the show!

 

[Gatefan1976]

OK.

But the point of the thread is that V is uptrending and that is GREAT news for the show!

Indeed it is!
To be honest, I haven't watched much of the new V as I don't think anyone is showing it out here at the moment. I was going DVD hunting yesterday and saw the 1.0 set and thought about it, but was distracted by the fact that Farscape, B5, Bones and a few other sets were selling for $20 bucks a season ATM. The wife is going off to layby some for me today!

OT for a mo, has anyone seen the HBO show "Carnivalle"?

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

OT for a mo, has anyone seen the HBO show "Carnivalle"?

No, but I've heard a lot of great things about it. I've been planning on giving it a look-see.

The trailer looks pretty sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3qEXfuc2s

 

[shavedape]

Wow, thats quite the stretch.

Only for some dearest Yoshi, only for some.

And yes, V. It's ratings are below what one would expect for renewal on network and the "transition" to Syfy hasn't been mentioned anywhere but here. Would you not think something like Chuck would be first choice if it could happen. The fanbase is certainly more solid and the online attention it would receive from very vocal fans would draw people to the network.

Again you're making comparisons to shows that are not produced in the same fashion as "V". "Chuck" may be live action like "V" but I believe they use mostly sets and location shots and not a lot of green (blue) screen. The point I'm making is that "V" is similar in production to "Sanctuary" or "Warehouse 13" and hence would be a good candidate to fit the budgetary requirements of a channel like SyFy. After all, those shows use the same technology for production purposes and they are doing well.

As for "Chuck", yes, it's a good show and I think it would be fine on SyFy but it may also be "played out" at this point in terms of story lines, etc. (Plus the cost of producing the live action episodes replete with sets and location shots would work against it in terms of budget.) "V" is still going strong with the plots and characters so naturally it would have a few seasons more left in it. Do I think both shows could transition to SyFy? Yes, absolutely. They might have to tweak the budgets and perhaps the amount of episodes produced but I think either one would fit the SyFy theme well enough. I also think either show would produce good ratings on cable, but that could just be my bias speaking.

 

[shavedape]

Can we please not go here again

Ah, Gatefan, there was a time you enjoyed taking a walk on the wild side.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Ah, Gatefan, there was a time you enjoyed taking a walk on the wild side.

I still do mate, but I would rather attempt to deconstruct the argument, rather than the person making it.

 

[YoshiKart64]

OK.

But the point of the thread is that V is uptrending and that is GREAT news for the show!

I was just pointing out that it's only been uptrending from a dip it took after the premier of Season 2. It hasn't been steadily increasing. There's a reason sites like tvbythenumbers are citing it as likely to be cancelled.

I'd also point out that your citing an ABC press release designed to spin the numbers. It says week by week but then doesnt state which week it starts this claim on.

Only for some dearest Yoshi, only for some.



Again you're making comparisons to shows that are not produced in the same fashion as "V". "Chuck" may be live action like "V" but I believe they use mostly sets and location shots and not a lot of green (blue) screen. The point I'm making is that "V" is similar in production to "Sanctuary" or "Warehouse 13" and hence would be a good candidate to fit the budgetary requirements of a channel like SyFy. After all, those shows use the same technology for production purposes and they are doing well.

As for "Chuck", yes, it's a good show and I think it would be fine on SyFy but it may also be "played out" at this point in terms of story lines, etc. (Plus the cost of producing the live action episodes replete with sets and location shots would work against it in terms of budget.) "V" is still going strong with the plots and characters so naturally it would have a few seasons more left in it. Do I think both shows could transition to SyFy? Yes, absolutely. They might have to tweak the budgets and perhaps the amount of episodes produced but I think either one would fit the SyFy theme well enough. I also think either show would produce good ratings on cable, but that could just be my bias speaking.

V has a lot of set and on-location shoots too. It's nowhere near the scale that Warehouse 13 and Sanctuary are relying on greenscreens. You can also bet that the cast is being paid a lot lot less than on V.

 

[shavedape]

OT for a mo, has anyone seen the HBO show "Carnivalle"?

I watched a couple eps when it first came out but for some reason it didn't keep my interest. In fact, I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it now. Looks like it only ran for two seasons. They wanted to do six seasons but the cost per episode was over $2 million so they got the axe.

From wiki:

HBO confirmed that the show had been cancelled on May 11, 2005.[48] HBO's president Chris Albrecht stated that the network would have considered otherwise if the producers had been willing to lower the price of an episode to US$2 million; but the running costs for the sizable cast, the all-on-location shooting and the number of episodes per season were too enormous for them.

The bolded part is relevant to the topic of "V" being able to survive and/or transition to SyFy. "V" has a fair size cast but I wouldn't say it's out of control. It also has many scenes filmed on a green screen stage, not on location. All this works in its favor.

 

[EvilSpaceAlien]

Ah, Gatefan, there was a time you enjoyed taking a walk on the wild side.

I'm sorry, I know this is really OT but when I read "walk on the wild side" I just couldn't help but think of this. This video is the definition of insane, crazy shit.
[video=youtube;3AQphZjt-cI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AQphZjt-cI

 

[shavedape]

I still do mate, but I would rather attempt to deconstruct the argument, rather than the person making it.

Let's not go "splitting hairs" again now shall we?

 

[Gatefan1976]

I watched a couple eps when it first came out but for some reason it didn't keep my interest. In fact, I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it now. Looks like it only ran for two seasons. They wanted to do six seasons but the cost per episode was over $2 million so they got the axe.

From wiki:


The bolded part is relevant to the topic of "V" being able to survive and/or transition to SyFy. "V" has a fair size cast but I wouldn't say it's out of control. It also has many scenes filmed on a green screen stage, not on location. All this works in its favor.

Oh I agree. OM1 and I have talked about this a few months ago. I think it (V) would still be on the expensive side, but capable of maintaining enough of an audience to offset that cost, even after losing audience due to moving to cable. :beckettu:

 

[Gatefan1976]

Let's not go "splitting hairs" again now shall we?

Nah, we have already firmly established that we see some things differently dude, and thats cool by me.

 

[shavedape]

V has a lot of set and on-location shoots too. It's nowhere near the scale that Warehouse 13 and Sanctuary are relying on greenscreens. You can also bet that the cast is being paid a lot lot less than on V.

"V" has tons of green screen scenes and I'm sure if they had to reduce their budget to fit a cable channel production they could get by just fine with that technology.

As for what the actors are being paid, I really can't say. There's a desire to just assume that people on network TV shows make more money because it's a bigger market, but I honestly have no evidence either way. I would assume that yes they get paid more than cable, but then again they probably get paid what their agents have negotiated for them. I don't know that network verses cable factors into their negotiations. Perhaps you do?

And like I said earlier, these shows would probably have to modify things a bit to make their cable budgets work, like doing fewer episodes and not doing expensive location shots, etc. but it would be feasible. The draw for existing fans of these shows would be worth it to initially attempt something on cable. Why are you so disagreeable to the idea?

 

[Tropicana]

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ife-sees-lows-v-steady-fox-sitcoms-rise/83433

18-49 Rating/Sh: 1.9/5 Total viewers 5.14 million.

1.9/5 is not that bad at all, if only SGU were capable of such numbers eh?

 

[Mr. A]

1.9/5 is not that bad at all, if only SGU were capable of such numbers eh?

Yes! But it remains to be seen how strong the numbers would be if V were being aired on cable. For starters, not everyone who watches ABC even gets Syfy...
My guess is it wouldn't be anywhere near 5 million viewers Live+SD but still high enough to be very profitable and successful for Syfy.

 

[YoshiKart64]

"V" has tons of green screen scenes and I'm sure if they had to reduce their budget to fit a cable channel production they could get by just fine with that technology.

As for what the actors are being paid, I really can't say. There's a desire to just assume that people on network TV shows make more money because it's a bigger market, but I honestly have no evidence either way. I would assume that yes they get paid more than cable, but then again they probably get paid what their agents have negotiated for them. I don't know that network verses cable factors into their negotiations. Perhaps you do?

And like I said earlier, these shows would probably have to modify things a bit to make their cable budgets work, like doing fewer episodes and not doing expensive location shots, etc. but it would be feasible. The draw for existing fans of these shows would be worth it to initially attempt something on cable. Why are you so disagreeable to the idea?

I don't have a personal objection to V moving to cable, I'm just pointing out that the situation is extremely rare. I don't know what the actors are being paid either but I'd wager it's more than you'd think, especially with most of the main cast having had major roles on other shows.
I'd say it's quite telling that no specialist sites out there have mentioned the possibility of moving, nor has it been brought up at all outside this site.

But we'll see I guess.

1.9/5 is not that bad at all, if only SGU were capable of such numbers eh?

It's not awful but that number really isn't good. It's got nothing to do with SGU (who's numbers really were awful by the end).