Brian J Smith Tweet

[Rac80]

the reply

I am posting the reply to BJS's looong whining rant:

linky: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6t1e02


she was nicer to him than he deserved....

On Tuesday 9th November 2010, @jenthefangirl said:
(In reply to BrianJacobSmith)
@BrianJacobSmith I didn't expect you to comment but wow! Thanks! I'm a bitter fan. I wish I wasn't. I don't go out of my way to ruin anyone's party. Normally, when it comes to Stargate, I stay pretty quiet these days. Could you help me with something? Could you help me see why the new show would appeal to the old fans? I have to admit, I haven't seen many episodes, but I have seen a few. I watched the ones where Michael Shanks guest starred, because I am a big Daniel Jackson fan. I was very disappointed by the roles the character was reduced to, roles that anybody could have filled. I realize that this is a problem more with the writing and there is little to nothing any actor can do with that.

I went about looking at the show the wrong way, I think. Is it less of a spinoff of either SG1 and SGA and more its own entity and universe? Pretty much separate? It's supposed to be a re-branding of the franchise? What episodes really show your show off? The next one coming up sounds like it might fit into that group.

One problem with fandom, and what truly goes into the fanatical, is one can get so close to something and get (pained when there are changes. Especially when those changes involve a complete 180, or a re-imagining. I think in Stargate's case it was too raw when SGU came on. SGA people were still upset, some feeling betrayed even by Syfy canceling a show they had previously told people at SDCC would be getting renewed. Fandom memory runs long and deep, even if many of us keep coming back expecting things will be better this time. I also have some friends who refuse to watch Syfy because SGA got cancelled. I know it's a showrunner/network thing. It isn't personal, but emotions can't tell the difference.

I am sorry that I sniped at you. I wasn't thinking, but speaking out from that bitterness. You seem like a nice guy. Your initial comment just sparked something in me. I also would love for everyone to enjoy things together. I hate separation, but want people who have differing opinions to find a common ground. Do you have any imput on this? I am not active in Stargate fandom anymore, but I haven't seen many fans of both SG1/SGA and SGU. It looks like you are in one camp or the other. I don't think it needs to be that way. How can the fandoms be bridged together?

 

[OCgatergal]

It don't think he's threatening anything. He's just saying that he's being pretty nice considering that at tailgate parties what would happen to you if you walked in with an Eli Manning jersey on. I think it's more professional than his previous "Ima troll killing tonight'' attitude. Though the smart thing would have been to simply ignore it.

 

[Rac80]

It don't think he's threatening anything. He's just saying that he's being pretty nice considering that at tailgate parties what would happen to you if you walked in with an Eli Manning jersey on. I think it's more professional than his previous "Ima troll killing tonight'' attitude. Though the smart thing would have been to simply ignore it.

Actually the Colt's quarterback is Eli's older brother, Peyton, so Eli is liked here as well. sorry sweetie that is a threat and considering his comments, I don't think the boy has ever been to a tailgate party...CHOWDER!?!?!?! only for the Patriot's fans...maybe!

 

[Nani]

Mh, BJS is one of my problems with SGU because of the lousy interviews he gave in the past. I can live with actors acting childish but his answers were insulting every single SciFi-fan all around the world. So, I can understand what was about this tweets. He still is a pain in the arse for many fans.

I've read those interviews & was p'ed off at what he had to say, but he's very new to Stargate & therefore ignorant of its past and legacy. Brad Wright & JoeM on the other hand, are NOT. Those BJS interviews where he insults Stargate fans are, IMO, his parroting of TPTB's attitudes & opinions about SGU, the direction of the franchise,and its long-term fans. Therefore, my problem is with TPTB & not this youngling.

 

[Rac80]

Alliteration

the touchy twit tweets to tell-tale twatishness.

 

[SexyDexy]

I don't think he handled it well...

If BJS were just a private citizen, then sure, I'd say he handled the post all right. And yes, it's slightly better than his past behavior. However, it's still quite bad, imo. The violence bit and the Honey spit in the face bit especially.

He's an actor - in the public eye - thus he should always be careful to act as a professional, especially in response to fans (or anti-fans). With this "tweet" he has yet again demonstrated he does not have a thick skin. He'd better get one, fast, or he's just gonna crumble in this business.

I think, that if he'd replied at all, he should have written something like this in response to the 'everything changes' tweet:

Sorry, no. But it's pretty awesome, imo. You should check it out!

I mean, think about it - turn it into a positive, and try to get a viewer! After all, she wasn't insulting HIM directly, just expressing a desire for a different tone to the show. Why did he have to take it so personally?

And then he should have probably just ignored the second tweet, (the no offense, sure it's fine work but it just ain't stargate tweet) or if he'd replied, do a similar tactic again. Like maybe just ignore the "not stargate" jab entirely, like with:

None taken. Luv working on the show!

Or -

None taken! Agree to disagree on the 'ain't Stargate' part, tho

Those would be classy replies - showing self-confidence and class. Why does he always have to be such a sensitive, whiny baby who doesn't seem to care about his public image? For cryin' out loud

 

[Rac80]

If BJS were just a private citizen, then sure, I'd say he handled the post all right. And yes, it's slightly better than his past behavior. However, it's still quite bad, imo. The violence bit and the Honey spit in the face bit especially.

He's an actor - in the public eye - thus he should always be careful to act as a professional, especially in response to fans (or anti-fans). With this "tweet" he has yet again demonstrated he does not have a thick skin. He'd better get one, fast, or he's just gonna crumble in this business.

I think, that if he'd replied at all, he should have written something like this in response to the 'everything changes' tweet:

Sorry, no. But it's pretty awesome, imo. You should check it out!

I mean, think about it - turn it into a positive, and try to get a viewer! After all, she wasn't insulting HIM directly, just expressing a desire for a different tone to the show. Why did he have to take it so personally?

And then he should have probably just ignored the second tweet, (the no offense, sure it's fine work but it just ain't stargate tweet) or if he'd replied, do a similar tactic again. Like maybe just ignore the "not stargate" jab entirely, like with:

None taken. Luv working on the show!

Or -

None taken! Agree to disagree on the 'ain't Stargate' part, tho

Those would be classy replies - showing self-confidence and class. Why does he always have to be such a sensitive, whiny baby who doesn't seem to care about his public image? For cryin' out loud

applause applause my friend. well said. his problem is he isn't a private person, he is putting himself out there and needs to grow the heck up. why does he act this way? he needs to be weaned...ASAP! (yes rac is in a MOOD!)

 

[SGUBlows]

BJS replied back to the woman, fyi:

@jenthefangirl Thanks for the reply, and I'm glad you weren't offended. I think part of the problem of what's going on in fandom IN GENERAL (Stargate, Law and Order, Star Trek, Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, BSG original versus BSG reboot) these days is that we're not thinking about other people's feelings before we decide to contribute to the conversation. The internet makes it SOO easy to christen our personal tastes as the final word on anything and everything. And I think we need to set boundaries for ourselves - we need to develop empathy and understand when something might be hurtful or even inappropriate. Sometimes seemingly innocuous statements can be incredibly inappropriate. I think a good rule of thumb is if there's even a BIT of doubt, don't say anything. And the boundary that I've set on this twitter account is that sound, respectful criticism is welcomed - disrespectful attacks (ie, anything that precludes discussion such as "that just sucked" or "it needs to be more like something completely different") are uncool.

I wish your initial post had the same search for understanding that your second post did. My god, if we could all talk like that what a different world this would be! I can't help you like this show any more than I can help someone with a peanut allergy enjoy a PBnJ. I have a feeling it just may not be to your taste. And that is totally okay. Most of the people who follow me on twitter will tell you that they watch and enjoy all three incarnations of SG - in different ways, in different degrees. But that's THEM. I don't expect or even want you to watch SGU if it's not your bag. However, I don't think it's appropriate to tell those fans that what they enjoy isn't Stargate. There's a time and place for you to do so - just not here, you see?

You're only a "bitter fan" if you actively promote and wish for the failure of a show that you don't like. That clearly isn't you. The good news is those producers are working their BUTTS off to get you guys a movie(s) made, and hopefully you'll get the series wrap that SGA deserved.

I agree his reaction is not one of a public figure at all. He should check out tweets aimed at other celebrities - they would make his toes curl! The internet is a wild place, and his lectures aren't going to change that.

 

[MetalFoldingChair]

BJS replied back to the woman, fyi:



I agree his reaction is not one of a public figure at all. He should check out tweets aimed at other celebrities - they would make his toes curl! The internet is a wild place, and his lectures aren't going to change that.

That boy sure is jumping thru alot of hoops just to say that he doesn't like criticism. Boo hoo.

 

[Illiterati]

Working their butts off to get a movie made for "us"?

No, child, I don't think so. You're just buying into their bullshit that's aimed at trying to get us to watch their POS show.

He also hasn't learned that when you're in the public eye, you can't just say whatever you like. TPTB must be having kittens over all of this...they tend to be very restrictive of their employee's public commentary, if it hasn't been properly vetted and edited.

 

[MetalFoldingChair]

Working their butts off to get a movie made for "us"?

No, child, I don't think so. You're just buying into their bullshit that's aimed at trying to get us to watch their POS show.

Shhh! He still believes in Santa Claus and the Eastern Bunny. Please don't pop his balloon.

 

[Illiterati]

I agree with you. The SG1 and SGA movies won't be made.

What does "POS" mean? I don't know that abbreviation.

POS: Piece of Shit.

 

[Nani]

Well, he's right about one thing - I am, by his definition, a "bitter fan". And no, SG-1 & SGA movies will not be made. Unless TPTB have decided this will be their last ditch attempt to keep their jobs. Because they need us, the old guard, to keep Stargate alive. Nope, can't see it happening.

 

[OCgatergal]

Actually the Colt's quarterback is Eli's older brother, Peyton, so Eli is liked here as well.

I was saying Eli because the Giants are rivals to the Cowboys. But yeah, I've never heard anyone eating chowder at tailgates, maybe the Pats though.

 

[Yllek]

Thanks for the reply, and I'm glad you weren't offended. I think part of the problem of what's going on in fandom IN GENERAL (Stargate, Law and Order, Star Trek, Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, BSG original versus BSG reboot) these days is that we're not thinking about other people's feelings before we decide to contribute to the conversation. The internet makes it SOO easy to christen our personal tastes as the final word on anything and everything. And I think we need to set boundaries for ourselves - we need to develop empathy and understand when something might be hurtful or even inappropriate. Sometimes seemingly innocuous statements can be incredibly inappropriate. I think a good rule of thumb is if there's even a BIT of doubt, don't say anything. And the boundary that I've set on this twitter account is that sound, respectful criticism is welcomed - disrespectful attacks (ie, anything that precludes discussion such as "that just sucked" or "it needs to be more like something completely different") are uncool.

I wish your initial post had the same search for understanding that your second post did. My god, if we could all talk like that what a different world this would be! I can't help you like this show any more than I can help someone with a peanut allergy enjoy a PBnJ. I have a feeling it just may not be to your taste. And that is totally okay. Most of the people who follow me on twitter will tell you that they watch and enjoy all three incarnations of SG - in different ways, in different degrees. But that's THEM. I don't expect or even want you to watch SGU if it's not your bag. However, I don't think it's appropriate to tell those fans that what they enjoy isn't Stargate. There's a time and place for you to do so - just not here, you see?

You're only a "bitter fan" if you actively promote and wish for the failure of a show that you don't like. That clearly isn't you. The good news is those producers are working their BUTTS off to get you guys a movie(s) made, and hopefully you'll get the series wrap that SGA deserved.

I think I'm going to puke. This from the guy who wouldn't apologize for calling people 'retards' and who throws hissy fits whenever he perceives the slightest bit of criticism?? And now he's lecturing people on proper internet etiquette? What a dick!

And if the producers "are working their BUTTS off to get us guys a SGA movie made", it's time the producers start filling us in. The SGA cast is pretty much convinced there won't be a movie - you'd think if they had been approached they would be promoting the heck out of it.

I sure as hell don't need the information on SGA movies coming from Brian J. Smith. Talk about inappropriate!

 

[Gatefan1976]

The whole problem with what BJS has said here, to me at least, is the structure he used to couch it. When you are writing an "essay type" post like that, you use your opening to engage your audience, your body to deliver your message and the tail to sum up. For all BJS's "niceness" in his initial paragraph, it is the second one that is the most telling (the cowboy's part). He then goes back to being "nice" in the vain hope you won't notice the fact he kicked you in the guts in the middle.

In the second one, all he's doing is trying to claim some form of "moral superiority" by being the "nice guy" again, except he still can't get it right because he still comes off as a "too cool for school" wanker.

What he doesn't get (and to be honest, a shitload of people don't get), is that it is far far worse (imho) to display casual disrespect towards people/groups, than it is to be directly targeted by someone. Gateworld is littered with examples of this "casual disregard" for others, but because it doesn't directly affect the squeedrones, it all just slides by.

 

[Lilith]

You can tell he has resently completed sensativity training or anger management or his meds kicked in.

 

[MetalFoldingChair]

The whole problem with what BJS has said here, to me at least, is the structure he used to couch it. When you are writing an "essay type" post like that, you use your opening to engage your audience, your body to deliver your message and the tail to sum up. For all BJS's "niceness" in his initial paragraph, it is the second one that is the most telling (the cowboy's part). He then goes back to being "nice" in the vain hope you won't notice the fact he kicked you in the guts in the middle.

In the second one, all he's doing is trying to claim some form of "moral superiority" by being the "nice guy" again, except he still can't get it right because he still comes off as a "too cool for school" wanker.

What he doesn't get (and to be honest, a shitload of people don't get), is that it is far far worse (imho) to display casual disrespect towards people/groups, than it is to be directly targeted by someone. Gateworld is littered with examples of this "casual disregard" for others, but because it doesn't directly affect the squeedrones, it all just slides by.

You got it. That's exactly what he did and it's a transparently lame and juvenile tactic to use. His insult "sandwich" is so obvious that it's laughable. Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on.

 

[Yllek]

The whole problem with what BJS has said here, is the condescending, patronizing, preachy, holier-than-thou attitude that soakes through every paragraph.

He's one step away from patting @jenthefangirl on the head and telling her to run along now.

:beckettd:

 

[Gatefan1976]

You got it. That's exactly what he did and it's a transparently lame and juvenile tactic to use. His insult "sandwich" is so obvious that it's laughable. Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on.

Unfortunately, it is a tactic that works extremely well on people and is alot harder for people to spot than you might believe. It's not that people are "dumb", it's more due to the fact that people often tend to not want to see the "negative" and just listen to the "positive".