"The utopian future of 'Star Trek' doesn't work without extreme inequality and some slavery"

[Jim of WVa]

According to canon, it cannot replicate antimatter, dilithium, latinum, or a living organism of any kind.

That would necessitate the need for some freight transportation, but not much.

 

[Overmind One]

With no clear title to land, then there is no motivation to build permanent housing structures. See West Bank and Gaza Strip.

From the Gaza Strip:
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BECAUSE of some nation trying to claim ownership, people do not build permanent settlements there. It is exactly opposite of what you say. If our government did not set aside parks and sanctuaries, people would be living in those places. In Africa, people were intentionally displaced and their land (and the resources in those lands) taken away from the people who have lived there for millenia.

How many native African Kenyans do you think live within 50 miles of this place?

How much of the food grown on this Kenyan farm do you think will be eaten by native African Kenyans?



No, instead we have this:

DISGUSTING

 

[Bluce Ree]

According to canon, it cannot replicate antimatter, dilithium, latinum, or a living organism of any kind.

Not being able to replicate dilithium or latinum was a contrived cheat, IMO, especially given that replicators can alter and combine matter at the atomic level.

 

[Gatefan1976]

Not being able to replicate dilithium or latinum was a contrived cheat, IMO, especially given that replicators can alter and combine matter at the atomic level.

The answer for that is there are some things the combine on the quantum level to exist.
(ok, call BS on it, I'm just reporting what I know)

 

[Overmind One]

The answer for that is there are some things the combine on the quantum level to exist.
(ok, call BS on it, I'm just reporting what I know)

That is exactly how they explained it. There are other things it cannot replicate. It could not replicate Seven of Nine's cortical processor, or the Doctor's mobile emitter for instance. It cannot replicate living organs either. Logically speaking, however, it SHOULD be able to do all these things.

 

[Bluce Ree]

The answer for that is there are some things the combine on the quantum level to exist.
(ok, call BS on it, I'm just reporting what I know)

Sure, except it has no problem combining atoms, like two hydrogen atoms to make H20, but somehow it fails to combine two lithium atoms to make Li2? You know that's complete LOL just to manufacture a handicap. We can make Li2 now without replicators and we're only 2015.

 

[Overmind One]

Sure, except it has no problem combining atoms, like two hydrogen atoms to make H20, but somehow it fails to combine two lithium atoms to make Li2? You know that's complete LOL just to manufacture a handicap. We can make Li2 now without replicators and we're only 2015.

To be sure, many of the things we see in the Trek shows conflict with each other and with canon. I always thought that the replicators and the holodeck and especially the Doctor in Voyager took things a bit too far. If we had that technology, we could (in conjunction with transporter technology and it's fancy pattern buffers) replicate copies of ourselves easily. We could use earlier transporter records and reverse aging by just using the earlier record...all sorts of shit. Ships could be created with GINORMOUS replicators on earth or elsewhere. And that holodeck technology Why not simply install holo-emitters in the uniforms and create weapons out of thin air? Take the safety protocols off, of course.

 

[Bluce Ree]

To be sure, many of the things we see in the Trek shows conflict with each other and with canon. I always thought that the replicators and the holodeck and especially the Doctor in Voyager took things a bit too far. If we had that technology, we could (in conjunction with transporter technology and it's fancy pattern buffers) replicate copies of ourselves easily. We could record earlier transporter records and reverse aging by just using the earlier record...all sorts of shit. Ships could be created with GINORMOUS replicators on earth or elsewhere. And that holodeck technology Why not simply install holo-emitters in the uniforms and create weapons out of thin air? Take the safety protocols off, of course.

Why did they not have wearable shields? We can miniaturize all sorts of shit today. And while we're at it, the shields deflected energy weapons. Why would they not construct the shields to absorb external energy? Why did they never use the transporters to take apart alien ships during battle? Why did they not use the artificial gravity generators as a means of propulsion instead of "thrusters"?

So many questions.

 

[Overmind One]

Why did they not have wearable shields? We can miniaturize all sorts of shit today. And while we're at it, the shields deflected energy weapons. Why would they not construct the shields to absorb external energy? Why did they never use the transporters to take apart alien ships during battle? Why did they not use the artificial gravity generators as a means of propulsion instead of "thrusters"?

So many questions.

Why does Trek technology allow Commander Data to be sentient, but the ship's main computers are not? Why is he not able to wirelessly interface with the ship and also with Geordi's diagnostic equipment? Why the sunroof in Data's skull to plug in a clunky cable?

 

[Bluce Ree]

Why does Trek technology allow Commander Data to be sentient, but the ship's main computers are not? Why is he not able to wirelessly interface with the ship and also with Geordi's diagnostic equipment? Why the sunroof in Data's skull to plug in a clunky cable?

Well, because Bluetooth and all wireless technology was deemed insecure, dangerous and thus declared illegal in 2127 following the TGC event (The Great Clusterf*ck) in which 40 Earth ships all lost control and collided with each other because of interference caused by use of cell phones during flight while transmitting selfies to their friends and family at home.

 

[Overmind One]

Well, because Bluetooth and all wireless technology was deemed insecure, dangerous and thus declared illegal in 2127 following the TGC event (The Great Clusterf*ck) in which 40 Earth ships all lost control and collided with each other because of interference caused by use of cell phones during flight while transmitting selfies to their friends and family at home.

Speaking of interference, how the hell can they walk through forests and meadows, climb on mountains and shit in the holodeck when the entire room is only about 50'x50'? In DS9, Jake Cisco was fishing on the holodeck. Really? What's he gonna catch?

 

[Bluce Ree]

Speaking of interference, how the hell can they walk through forests and meadows, climb on mountains and shit in the holodeck when the entire room is only about 50'x50'? In DS9, Jake Cisco was fishing on the holodeck. Really? What's he gonna catch?

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A holofish, of course!

They tried to explain the efficient use of finite space in the holodeck in TNG but it was just circle-talk.

 

[Overmind One]

A holofish, of course!

They tried to explain the efficient use of finite space in the holodeck in TNG but it was just circle-talk.

Yeah, I know...something about the holodeck playing with perspective and so forth. But how about the times when people are far away (like in the TNG episode where Reg Barklay had Troi in a swing)? She was certainly further away than 50', so how did the holodeck make her seem further away? We know it was all bull pancakes, so it doesnt really matter. . To me, the silliest of them all was the Doctor from Voyager. He was a fun character, but let's look at it....a sentient hologram generated by a computer which is NOT sentient? That's some trick...

 

[Bluce Ree]

Yeah, I know...something about the holodeck playing with perspective and so forth. But how about the times when people are far away (like in the TNG episode where Reg Barklay had Troi in a swing)? She was certainly further away than 50', so how did the holodeck make her seem further away? We know it was all bull pancakes, so it doesnt really matter. . To me, the silliest of them all was the Doctor from Voyager. He was a fun character, but let's look at it....a sentient hologram generated by a computer which is NOT sentient? That's some trick...

It's hard to believe that AI wouldn't be more common in the ST universe. We're close to solving Ai right now (moral implications aside).

AI and its moral and sociological implications would be an interesting topic to debate.

 

[Overmind One]

It's hard to believe that AI wouldn't be more common in the ST universe. We're close to solving Ai right now (moral implications aside).

AI and its moral and sociological implications would be an interesting topic to debate.

Google Now, Siri and Cortana are almost as "knowledgeable" as the Star Trek Library computer. They use the internet to find information and then convey it back to me in my own language. And they understand plain English.

 

[Overmind One]

Sure, except it has no problem combining atoms, like two hydrogen atoms to make H20, but somehow it fails to combine two lithium atoms to make Li2? You know that's complete LOL just to manufacture a handicap. We can make Li2 now without replicators and we're only 2015.

Love that phrase!

That's complete LOL.

 

[Bluce Ree]

Google Now, Siri and Cortana are almost as "knowledgeable" as the Star Trek Library computer. They use the internet to find information and then convey it back to me in my own language. And they understand plain English.

Siri is the worst of the three. Saying "new season of Sense8" into Siri interpreted what i said in a variety of incorrect ways (i.e. "sense it", "sense ate", "since eight"). Google got it in one because it seems to interpret context the best.

 

[Overmind One]

Siri is the worst of the three. Saying "new season of Sense8" into Siri interpreted what i said in a variety of incorrect ways (i.e. "sense it", "sense ate", "since eight"). Google got it in one because it seems to interpret context the best.

I use a free app called OpenMic+ which allows you to change the activation word from "OK Google" to something else. Mine is now activated when I say "Computer". I simply said "Computer...find a burger close to me", and it showed me a map of every place selling burgers within 2 miles. I have tried to say obscure things to it and even using slang and (fake) Ebonics or other fake accents, and it still understands. Google is by far the most accurate of all.

Funny thing is that when I imagine a future using this technology, I do not see Google's name on it (or any brand names or corporate entities). I hope the corporatist construct collapses before we move seriously into space.

 

[Jim of WVa]

I use a free app called OpenMic+ which allows you to change the activation word from "OK Google" to something else. Mine is now activated when I say "Computer". I simply said "Computer...find a burger close to me", and it showed me a map of every place selling burgers within 2 miles. I have tried to say obscure things to it and even using slang and (fake) Ebonics or other fake accents, and it still understands. Google is by far the most accurate of all.

Funny thing is that when I imagine a future using this technology, I do not see Google's name on it (or any brand names or corporate entities). I hope the corporatist construct collapses before we move seriously into space.

Or to quote Howard Stern: "Sphincter, sphincter, sphincter." I think that that would be a good activation phrase.

 

[Overmind One]

Believe it or not, star trek's future of socialism is utopian communism. On paper social credit score is great. Infact, it forces people to change and stop their bad habits - it's a necessary evil that needs to be in place.

Actually, it is more like a socialist meritocracy. A communist society still has a government making the rules and distributing resources evenly.