THE MANDALORIAN live action series
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YJ02
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well, this new group of sw's tptbs have dropped in some big names before only to have them appear on screen for 30 seconds and dead
you know, like that 'church of the force' guy played by Max Von Sydow?
Tripler
Well Known GateFan
Where in his comments is he hating on SW ? You sir are stuck on this new crap . If you were a fan of the original 3 movies then you would understand OM1's points but you are obviously swayed by this new garbage from the worst entertainment company on the planet , even when Walt was in control , it was garbage entertainment , but with this new sjw , men are garbage attitude , Dizley has opened up a whole treasure box of utter crap that they will cram down peoples throats for years to come .and your rabid hate for sw's and the constant need to cut it down as well as those who appreciate the larger story of the sw's galaxy, is part of the reason i took that trip to everest
umm, you do know that galaxy's edge, or whatever, is an amusement park, right? there is nothing in canon called galaxy's edge.
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cant base it on either Fett. by the time of this show's setting-about 5yrs after rotj, jango is long dead and boba is presumed dead
BUT, Clan Fett is a large clan. this guy could turn out to be a Fett, (or a Vizsla or a Wren)
Thanks man! I do understand rabid fandom. I am a rabid Star Trek fan (short of cosplaying). I have done the conventions, know every episode and character, how the tech is supposed to work, why the ships are designed the way they are, the various treaties and races in the quadrants, etc etc etc. But Star Trek does not send you on a treasure hunt in books and games and stuff outside of the series (including the animated series) except for independent books, and those are not canon. To be honest, TPTB did actually borrow things from the fan writers like the full names of the characters (except Nurse Christine Chapel and Leonard McCoy) which were not written by the showrunners or Roddenberry. We have Tiberius Kirk, Nyota Uhura and Hikaru Sulu because of fan sources. Remember, the fandom had a very healthy relationship with Paramount until Abrams came into the picture.
Having said that, Star Wars was always holding to a different standard, based in fantasy and not science fiction, which gave them lateral space to incorporate magic like The Force, tech-ish stuff like lightsabers, Hyperdrive, The Death Star, Jedi
Back to the topic:
This Mandalorian sounds like Boba Fett, except he is not Boba Fett. My guess is that George Lucas has rights to Boba Fett's name, and Disney does not want to share. So for the same reason I will never like STD's version of Spock, why would the average Star Wars fan care about some generic Mandalorian who only dressed sorta like Boba Fett (along with his pistol) if he isn't Boba Fett or related to him? Don't they realize that Kylo Ren was supposed to be the new Darth Vader as Disney envisioned? He is so unlike Darth Vader that they lost any real connection. He is a fail. He will never be seen as powerful or threatening. Just pissy and magical and very emo. Lots of space soy in him there is.
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YJ02
Well Known GateFan
why are you,and apparently tripler now as well, so stuck on the idea that there is only one small set of people in the (sw's ) galaxy?
so, you do want to have every show ad movie with the same exact characters in it over and over and over? as i said before, that would be like if every ST movie and show had Kirk in it
how is Picard just not another version of Kirk? how is data not another version Spock? Chief not another version of Scotty?
i have NEVER EVER CLAIMED that SW's was sci fi,on the contrary i have pointed it out several times in 'arguments' over the years that it is fantasy.
i have also stated ad nauseum, that i do not believe any of these new Skywalker films or the SOLO one were necessary. We need more stories outside of that tired old story-that is being beat to death to get cash- that is set in the rest of the galaxy using other characters-a lot like how Rogue One was
and again. to say that The Mandalorian is just some guy who looks like Boba Fett, is another way of admitting you know nothing of the mandalorians in canon. the armor style is in widespread use across all mandalore, the clone wars armor, and then the storm trooper armor, were designed based on mandalorian armor
what is this fascination with Boba Fett? he has barely had any lines in any of the films. his main function was to be the plot device that captured the other plot device (Solo) on behalf of a sideshow bad guy (Hutt)
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
at the risk of being called some dumb assed name..here goes--
and i will state again- just because i understand the story that is being told, DOES NOT mean i like the movies. they are pointless. the skywalker tale should have ended with ROTJ
yes, Kylo is modeled after Vader and he is his grandson. but Kylo can never be as Vader because
- he has no love interest that drives his emotions beyond control and drive him to the dark side
-he has no Sith master to train him, and he never was a Jedi
- his drive is not to obtain order from chaos or to master the ways of the dark side, his drive is to become like his grandfather in purpose and power without having the benefit of mentorship or training that Vader had
his character is intended to mirror the story of his grandfather-but not quite. just like eps 7-9 are all like eps 4-6, but not quite. similar plotlines, events and characters, but only just enough to try to make ppl think that these films have what the original trilogy had
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this is why the shows upcoming and hopefully the 2 new film trilogies, are looked forward to- they will not be based or copy/pasted from anything previous in SW's.
Most of the movies DO have Kirk, Spock and the TOS crew in it, as well as the Enterprise. They are the figureheads of Star Trek just as Luke, Darth Vader, Leia and Han and Chewie are the figureheads of Star Wars. For most Star Wars fans, the core characters define Star Wars for them. Thrawn is a powerful EU character, but the average Star Wars fan knows absolutely nothing about him. Not even his name.
Because they are different Captains, and there are already other versions of Kirk. Data is an android and Spock is a Vulcan. You really can't use anything from ST as a comparison to anything in SW
I know, you do know SW is fantasy, and I did not say you thought it was scifi. But the new stuff has even broken the fantasy universe of Star Wars with stuff like Rey becoming a Jedi just by wanting to be one, evidently. Using hyperspace jump as a weapon? Flying through space using the Force? Rey knowing the Falcon systems as well or better than Han? You should not be forgiving these things as a fan. But you seem to be okay with all this bullshit they are doing.
That is correct. I do NOT know anything about the Mandalorians in canon because they are not talked about in the movies. This goes back to my fan categories. Average Star wars fans do not know squat about Mandalore, Mandalorians or non-movie Star Wars canon. Unless you are in a category above "average SW fan", you will not know any of that stuff about the armor or Mandalore. This is where you don't seem to get it. The average Star Wars fan is not into it as much as you are.
I AGREE! But it is what it is. The fans of Boba Fett like him because of how he looks, his outfit and helmet and gun, and the weird ship he flies. The average fan does not know much else about him except what was told in the prequel trilogy along with Jango. This is EXACTLY why some generic Mandalorian who looks like Boba Fett but isn't him is not going to do well.
Would fans just automatically like another wookie named Koobookee who looked like Chewie, wore sash armor exactly like Chewie and was the same height and weight? Probably not.
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Agreed! And this is why the average Star Wars fan does not like Disney Star Wars. Disney wants to move on from the Skywalkers, but the vast majority of average Star Wars fans wanted the OT characters to go out in a respectable fashion. Disney flubbed every one of them, especially Luke.
Again, I agree, But THAT is the problem. Why is he a leader in The First Order, and why is he feared by the First Order troops? He is literally an amateur. He isn't a Sith or a Jedi or even a Padawan, but he is stuck into Disney canon as though he was Darth Vader II. I don't understand why you would think that is okay. Most average Star Wars fans look at him and think "WTF?"
Exactly who is looking forward to these movies? Star Wars is DYING because the fans are not looking forward to more Disney Star Wars, just like Star Trek fans are not looking forward to any more Kurtzman Star Trek or any more ST stuff from Bad Robot/Kurtzman/Secret Hideout. Interest is not gaining momentum, it is waning. The movies are making less money than the ones before the earlier ones, even in Disney Star Wars.I am not hating on Star Wars, I am hating on Disney Star Wars because it just does not meet the standards I expect as an average fan. The numbers don't lie, and my claim that Star Wars is becoming less popular is backed up by numbers and the SW merchandise sales slump and sparse attendance in both Galaxy's Edge theme parks at Disneyland and Disney World. What is backing up your claim that these movies are being looked forward to?
Toy sales:
http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2019-07-01-how-much-money-does-hasbro-still-make-with-star-wars/
Movie revenue:
https://www.moviedash.com/editorials/4073/star-wars-truth/
Galaxy's Edge:
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YJ02
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see you keep using that wrong.. the "eu" is not on screen anywhere. the eu is the realm of fan fiction/ unlicensed production.
and EU is not even the term they are using now, it is Legends
either way its not canon
some material has been taken from legends and used on screen or in other material and then became canon
i dont know why you keep going around in circles on this? i explained it before, i know you know what i am saying. if not me, then surely you can go to the links or just do a google search
at this point, you are just making shit up just to F around
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
do a google search like i did
i never said he was dv 2 nor did i say it was ok..it just is
i dont f'ing know, do a google search. i know i am and that is all that matters. no skywalkers = should be entertaining
its market research or whatever they call it in movie/tv land-they are not going to release that kind of stuff
can you tell me, with hard facts, tables and survey results, who is looking forward to cbs' new trek shows?
amusement parks have f^ck all to do with watching something on tv
i mean what was the latest show you watched that was based on an amusement park ride?
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
guess you'll have to start hating the Orville then
guess you'll have to start hating the Orville then
The Orville is still staying true to form for Orville. Why would I hate on it? Star Trek is by far my favorite scifi series, and I hate it now because they went off the rails. Just like (to me) Star Wars has gone off the rails. I understand unconditional love, but I also don't understand love for something that is no longer the thing you fell in love with. Do you really believe that Disney Star Wars is acceptable Star Wars? Maybe you don't. But you still seem to be okay with it...am I wrong about that?
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
it is now a disney property
related i was dicking around just now and typed in planet of the apes
disney has it and is going to max it out (thread started)
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
lets see. not much really to balance the scales of decision. so far, ladened with "DONT LIKE"
DONT LIKE
eps 7,8 and probably 9. SOLO
SW RESISTANCE
DO LIKE
ROGUE ONE
REBELS
I need more input
Perhaps, but that has not happened yet. Seth owns The Orville. He can pack it up and move elsewhere if he wants to.
Well then! We are in agreement. I also understand that Star Wars is NOT going to go away. It will most definitely change, and the Skywalker story should have come to an end in ROTJ. But then Disney rehashed those characters in an inferior form for their movies instead of going in a new direction. They chose to basically re-invent them for a new audience, and that is why Disney Star Wars is failing. They needed to follow up on ROTJ, then end the Skywalker story in a logical fashion. They should have gotten somebody instead of JJ "reheat leftovers" Abrams. They needed good writers and new ideas. They needed to preserve the EU and perhaps not abuse the longtime fans by calling us "manbabies". They needed to fire Kathleen Kennedy after TLJ, and they need to realize that Rey is not working out.lets see. not much really to balance the scales of decision. so far, ladened with "DONT LIKE"
DONT LIKE
eps 7,8 and probably 9. SOLO
SW RESISTANCE
DO LIKE
ROGUE ONE
REBELS
I need more input
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
as far as i am concerned, they could have ended the story of the galaxy's most dysfunctional family in a comic book
for me, if it has a Skywalker in it, then
I dunno about you, but Luke sitting on a rock and basically disappearing was not dignified. Especially after his Force Ghost "fight" with Kylo Ren. I would be very pissed if Spock was killed off like a common redshirt by getting eaten by an alien plant, or falling off a cliff by accident. Hero deaths should be heroic. Han was killed off in a similar fashion. Are they going to kill off Leia by having her choke to death on a fruit seed?
Besides Leia, we have many problems with Disney Star Wars:
- The First Order - how did it form, why is it still a threat, who is in command of it? Who is allied with it?
- Rey - She is a Mary Sue and is not trained as a Jedi so how can she train any future Jedi? She is just not a heroine.
- Poe, Finn, Rose who cares?
- The Republic has a story. Tell it.
- SJW politics
- A broken SW universe where hyperspace can be a weapon, and where the Force can be used by just about anyone.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
i will just respond to this, as i have already, on multiple occasions, responded to the other points in your post
couple things on 'aw shucks, moisture farm boy'
1) we never saw him actually die. every other force 'ghosting' has been a direct result of combat except for Yoda
so, is he dead?
he was not sick, like Yoda, and not in combat 'in the flesh', as was Kenobi and Qui Gonn. so no reason to 'ghost' when his physical body was not being ended.
this may lead to several other other issues like
-was he force tele-presenting himself not only to Kylo but also to Rey? was he really never actually there in either case?
this would mean his disappearance would have just been his hanging up the connection from his actual location
2) did he die a long time before the events of ep 7? we see Yoda do this as well as Kenobi. long dead they come back as a ghost wherever they wish. this would explain his looking much younger to Kylo in their 'fight'. but why he looked older with Rey, who knows? better 'jedi master' image?
canon states that Luke has done more then almost every other Jedi before him. learned more and mastered more use of different aspects of the force then anyone else has. so maybe
another version:
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a28686674/luke-skywalker-star-wars-dead-fan-theory/
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
interesting, they will be putting a first order backstory on screen, just not in a film
https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/04/the-mandalorian-first-order/
https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/04/the-mandalorian-first-order/