And all I was saying is you narrow your definitions far, far too much dude. You look to TOS and TNG and say "that is sci-fi" yet I can demolish your narrow definitions in both.
Space Opera like SW is still Scifi, it just falls on the soft side of it, the side that explores the human sciences rather than the "hard science" of things. It is the "personal journey" that dominates Fantasy, set within a galaxy we are nowhere near getting to. Hard sci-fi however tends to look at the results of a tech and it's impact on us as a species, rather than the individual.
Uh, Im still sticking to the official definition of science fiction, and using that, Star Wars, space opera and space fantasy still do not qualify. That is NOT a bad thing, it is precision. I love fantasy and space opera. But I still do not consider them science fiction (because the definition does not fit). And now, Star Trek does not fit the definition either. The reason is not the focus on "personal" vs "universal", the reason is that there is no real science. Since there is no real science, then the impact of science on these characters in these movies does not apply. Just because I love fantasy and Star Wars does not mean that the definitions change. NuTrek is no longer science fiction either. I hate that.
err............. No. It went from the "universal" to the "personal" It is an action flick with scifi elements built on a fantasy concept.
If your average viewer works that one out, they deserve a medal
Yep, but that is what has happened!
If there had been no science fiction foundation for Star Trek and it had not become a phenomena eith such a huge following, the NuTrek offerings would be classified as action flicks.
The Force has NOTHING to do with religion, the Jedi and the Sith......, well that's a different subject.
The Force is not science, it isnt real. The things that Star Wars does with it show it to be magic. What makes it religion is that it is based on faith in the SW universe. Those who do not get training and who do not have a strong faith in it cannot use it. This same faith follows into the Dark Side, where the Force can be used to do bad things and even to conjure up things out of thin air...even to create life via the midichlorians. Whatever it is, there is nothing scientific about it. The Jedi and Sith are both religious orders, not scientific ones.
Anakin is a bad man, he is brooding, greedy, selfish and arrogant. Even his virtuous acts are coloured by these things.
Yes, and he is aggressive and direct. The Anakin of the prequels was a whiney, emotional mess. Not a masculine character trait at all. I know he is a bad man, but the Anakin of the prequels was just bad in the way a child is bad. Throwing tantrums, pouting, etc.
The order had failed by then, it's "mission" became more important than it's people. Ashoka was always a believer in the goodness of the order, how could she stay?
Im glad she left the order, but I miss the character.
Humanity can look forward to the kinds of achievements postulated in science fiction, while with another part of our brain we can dream of the impossibilities conjured by fantasy. Science fiction expands our world; fantasy transcends it.