Star Trek ENT: General Discussion Thread

[Aragon101]

Well in the commentary for Undiscovered Country, Starfleet is compared to the Coast Guard instead of the actual Navy. The Galaxy Class is indeed an explorer type ship that just happens to be pretty heavily armed as well. If it can stand toe to toe with a Romulan Warbird, it's a tough ship.

In fact, if you look at the series and even the movies. the only time the Enterprise-D gets beat is when Riker is at the helm. He's shall we say... inept to say the least.

The intrepid class was a good concept. Sort of a Galaxy-Light in that it could handle just about anything, but not meant for long range missions. The whole shifting of Star Trek ships into Warships is more a writers thing given that after TNG, it seemed War and Battle was the only thing that was interesting.

Warp Scale has never been all that understood IMO. TOS Warp scale and TNG Warp Scale don't match up, and when the whole "beyond Warp 10" thing was broken it just starting getting ludicrous. You could sort of understand it from "All Good Things" that they were using the term to just denote that ships were faster due to better warp fields (hence the third nacelle)

The third Nacelle isn't even a contrivance as there are plenty of examples (even in TOS) of three nacelled ship. The never seen (but noticed on a panel) Federation Class dreadnaught of TOS Era is basicallly a constitution with an extra nacelle.

 

[Tropicana]

From my interpretation of the whole warp thing.

TNG era ships are faster than TOS ships, I think its warp speeds were re-classed, so for example TOS' Warp 8 is TNG's warp 6, I heard it somewhere that it was re-classed, can't remember where though as it was so long ago. With the TNG episode "All Good Things" when the medical ship can travel at Warp 15, I think the warp speeds at that alternate 25th Century timeline could have been changed and reclassed, so the transwarp threshold is not warp 10.

Since I'm a VOY child, I've always regarded anything over Warp 9.9999 as Transwarp, not to be confused with what the Borg calls their hyperwarp - Transwarp. To date we know USS. Prometheus is the fastest ship in the 24th Century Federation fleet with warp 9.98 (though some states the Sovereign Class is fastest with warp 9.99); but for me, nothing will ever beat USS. Voyager - it's tight, efficient and looks ever so cute and adorable with its little nacelles and its comfortable warp 9.975.

 

[heisenberg]

IMHO, Enterprise is still a great sci-fi series, although did **** up the timeline but had a different tone, dfferent layout, different style than the other star trek series. You could see it as a star trek in a parallel worlds.At first it was a bit slow but to be fair in under no circumstances, is it as shit as SGU. Star trek enterprise had some humour, it was science fiction, it had epic battles, a proper logical storyline and an arc to it. The series was doing quite well even in season 4, until the plug was removed and the series was killed off along with the franchise.


Some do say that enterprise is the weakest of the entire star trek franchise,in a way it is but not as much as people say it is. I for one found voyager to have the most consistently good episodes but I didn't like how the writers ended the series.
No need to compare SGU with Enterprise,because enterprise is still a great series in my eye.

I have been hearing talks about Riker wanting Titan to be made as a series.I do wish that Titan gets greenlite by a paramount studios because I would love to see titan in action .

 

[Tropicana]

In the grand scheme of ranking, IMO ENT is definitely higher up at the pecking order than SGU. I didn't like ENT that much, however ENT had some good moments, for example ship-wise, the NX-01 was a resilient ship and I got deep satisfaction seeing the ship get totally crippled in episode "Azati Prime". Sadistic, I know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSpT4_cJeAo

 

[Lilith]

Ent was so much better than sGPOO.

 

[Joelist]

Ent was so much better than sGPOO.

That's setting the bar pretty low.

Enteprise had its flaws but overall never became unwatchable like SGU was.

Overall, I liked Season 1 of Enterpsie, but it had some uneven episodes in Season 2. Season 3 could have been spectacular but some really bad writing decisions (like the T'Pol drug addiction and shipping her with Trip) dragged it down quite a bit. Season 4 was ok but the finale was horrible.

 

[shavedape]

That's setting the bar pretty low.

Enteprise had its flaws but overall never became unwatchable like SGU was.

Overall, I liked Season 1 of Enterpsie, but it had some uneven episodes in Season 2. Season 3 could have been spectacular but some really bad writing decisions (like the T'Pol drug addiction and shipping her with Trip) dragged it down quite a bit. Season 4 was ok but the finale was horrible.

I didn't love Enterprise and wasn't compelled to rush and watch every episode, but when I did tune in it kept my interest, unlike SGU. I've literally gotten up and gone and done laundry during SGU because it was sooooo boring! Enterprise at least had a fair amount of action, which puts it far ahead of SGU in that department. I could have done without the stupid love story between T'Pol and Trip. If anything they should have just left it as a suggestion and not made it a central part of the story line. Still, their relationship was nowhere near as offensive as what we saw take place on Destiny.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

Tripp shouldn't have spoiled T'pal by putting his dirty hands on her, that's for sure.
Yuck! Hot women like that on tv shows should never be hooked up with others.
They're much more attractive as single women. As soon as they hook up it gets ****** up.
Similar with 7of9 and Chakotay. Puke!

 

[Tropicana]

That's setting the bar pretty low.

Enteprise had its flaws but overall never became unwatchable like SGU was.

Overall, I liked Season 1 of Enterpsie, but it had some uneven episodes in Season 2. Season 3 could have been spectacular but some really bad writing decisions (like the T'Pol drug addiction and shipping her with Trip) dragged it down quite a bit. Season 4 was ok but the finale was horrible.

Agreed, the finale was messed up, it was so random and out of place.

 

[Aragon101]

Personally i feel like Jonathan Frakes has seriously ****** up the Star Trek Franchise with his constant meddling and style. Riker is quite forgettable. Troi is about as forgettable and yet, she's in every damn series.

Nothing tops All Good Things in terms of balance of Action/Adventure/Scifi IMO. Enterprise fell into the trap of the obvious enemy (which completely screws over the timeline and canon) as well as trying to 'grow' the characters and races from the original series into what they'll 'be'.

God how i hated how obvious they could be. I remember the Vulcan episode where at the end the Romnulan goes "We'll have to wait for our next chance at... !!!!!REUNIFICATION!!!!!"

Like... Why? Why would you do that you idiots? Same thing with the Prime Directive "Maybe some day, there'll be a DIRECTIVE for those to follow so they don't run into these same issues..

It was horribly ham handed.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

Riker is okay in my book. Though I could do without his 'charming' behaviour towards women.
And Troi, well she doesn't bother me. Her mother can be annoying from time to time.

 

[Overmind One]

Something else that has bugged me...

From my interpretation of the whole warp thing.

TNG era ships are faster than TOS ships, I think its warp speeds were re-classed, so for example TOS' Warp 8 is TNG's warp 6, I heard it somewhere that it was re-classed, can't remember where though as it was so long ago. With the TNG episode "All Good Things" when the medical ship can travel at Warp 15, I think the warp speeds at that alternate 25th Century timeline could have been changed and reclassed, so the transwarp threshold is not warp 10.

Since I'm a VOY child, I've always regarded anything over Warp 9.9999 as Transwarp, not to be confused with what the Borg calls their hyperwarp - Transwarp. To date we know USS. Prometheus is the fastest ship in the 24th Century Federation fleet with warp 9.98 (though some states the Sovereign Class is fastest with warp 9.99); but for me, nothing will ever beat USS. Voyager - it's tight, efficient and looks ever so cute and adorable with its little nacelles and its comfortable warp 9.975.

In the Trek movie "The Search For Spock", the Excelsior (the ship's name and also its class) supposedly had transwarp. It was evidently functional, and all Scotty did to it was to sabotage it. But the fact that the main feature of the Excelsior was its transwarp engines implies that Starfleet had the technology in TOS timeline. What gives? Why didnt Captain Sulu's Excelsior (he is Captain of the Excelsior by the time of Undiscovered Country) have its transwarp engines? Why didnt TNG-era ships have transwarp engines?

Like I said, I am a total Trek fan 4 life. Its still my favorite science fiction concept/franchise/show. I take the Trek canon as seriously as the next Trek fan (I dont consider myself a hardcore Trekkie, cause I dont dress up or go to every Con ). Such oversight is GLARING. So, Enterprise was like the low of the franchise for me, and its place in Trek is still tarnished. But even the worst of Trek is far better than the best of SGU by leaps and bounds. They cant even really be compared.

Braga made his biggest mistakes by trying to detach HIS show from the continuity of the canon, taking liberties with it which proved fatal to the show. One cannot have an attack on earth which resulted in mass destruction which came from a species never again mentioned in later Trek (the Xindi). Such an event would have been a nexus event like Pearl Harbor. Like the Battle of Worf 359 or First Contact. BIG mistake for him to do that.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

Braga made his biggest mistakes by trying to detach HIS show from the continuity of the canon, taking liberties with it which proved fatal to the show. One cannot have an attack on earth which resulted in mass destruction which came from a species never again mentioned in later Trek (the Xindi). Such an event would have been a nexus event like Pearl Harbor. Like the Battle of Worf 359 or First Contact. BIG mistake for him to do that.

That was a big mistake indeed. Though it did make for a dramatic scene, the attack on earth I mean.

 

[Overmind One]

Yep, very dramatic.

That was a big mistake indeed. Though it did make for a dramatic scene, the attack on earth I mean.

Yep, dramatic like suddenly turning over the chess table in the last 1/3 of the game! Or perhaps like sweeping one's arm across the table at dinnertime, pushing all the food and everyone's plate on the floor.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

The destruction left by that ray-gun was gruesome.
Awesome.

 

[AdamG]

Actually the season 2 finale season 3 premiere did it for me. I watched all the eps and that exact reason (of why the xindi were never mentioned) was why i stopped watching. I was hoping star trek ent would talk about romulans kingons etc not new un heard of races in that case they should have done a season 8 of voyager.

Whats interesting is comparing the ratings dives of star trek ent through out the course of the seasons. that info is on wikipedia

I know some would disagree but i actually liked the final ep with riker and all, to me it was the creaters realizing that star trek steered off course

BUT....This is only by skipping season 3 and 4 largely. Im told the seasons were better than 1 and 2.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

One thing that always sorta annoyed me about Enterprise was the totally un-star-trek-like introtune.
Yuck!

 

[Overmind One]

EVERYBODY hated that.

One thing that always sorta annoyed me about Enterprise was the totally un-star-trek-like introtune.
Yuck!

That artist singing the intro was Russell Watson, it wasnt bad, it was the fact that a Star Trek show suddenly had WORDS, and the music was not a march or theme of some sort. Just a pop song. Big mistake. Its like using a guitar to try to play Bach in a symphony orchestra. It just isnt done. Guitars are not part of a symphony orchestra...ever. Only in modern orchestral pop.

 

[Stonelesscutter]

That artist singing the intro was Russell Watson, it wasnt bad, it was the fact that a Star Trek show suddenly had WORDS, and the music was not a march or theme of some sort. Just a pop song. Big mistake. Its like using a guitar to try to play Bach in a symphony orchestra. It just isnt done. Guitars are not part of a symphony orchestra...ever. Only in modern orchestral pop.

That is exactly how I feel about the introtune.
In itself it's not that bad but it doesn't sound at all like Star Trek.

 

[SG-Rocks]

One thing that always sorta annoyed me about Enterprise was the totally un-star-trek-like introtune.
Yuck!

At first I thought it was bullshit but then it sort of became a signature. Besides the background graphics were interesting. It was Voyager that made me puke. That funeral dirge that never stopped.

You know any minute I expect to see 12" of pink rubber come poking out of that event horizon of yours.