Red Dawn 2012 - Really? Seriously?!?

[Bluce Ree]

To be fair, not a complete remake because the invading forces are North Koreans instead of Russian but that's just a cop-out.


There should be a federally mandated moratorium on non-creative works like remakes and (i f'ing hate this) "re-imaginings" for the big screen. Except for The Dark Knight Rises, this is the summer of blockbuster banality filled with non-creative and unimaginative remakes aimed at the ignorant generation who aren't aware the originals, many of which have stood the test of time, are available to them at the push of a button from their armchairs via mediums such as Netflix.

 

[OMNI]

To be fair, not a complete remake because the invading forces are North Koreans instead of Russian but that's just a cop-out.


There should be a federally mandated moratorium on non-creative works like remakes and (i f'ing hate this) "re-imaginings" for the big screen. Except for The Dark Knight Rises, this is the summer of blockbuster banality filled with non-creative and unimaginative remakes aimed at the ignorant generation who aren't aware the originals, many of which have stood the test of time, are available to them at the push of a button from their armchairs via mediums such as Netflix.

could agree more! it is a sad time indeed.

 

[shavedape]

To be fair, not a complete remake because the invading forces are North Koreans instead of Russian but that's just a cop-out.
There should be a federally mandated moratorium on non-creative works like remakes and (i f'ing hate this) "re-imaginings" for the big screen. Except for The Dark Knight Rises, this is the summer of blockbuster banality filled with non-creative and unimaginative remakes aimed at the ignorant generation who aren't aware the originals, many of which have stood the test of time, are available to them at the push of a button from their armchairs via mediums such as Netflix.

Couldn't agree more. Red Dawn came out at a time when we were contentious with the Soviets; it was apropos for the time. In that context it made sense but now, not so much. And North Korea? -- pleeezzz!!! :uncomfortableness:

The remake/re-imagining thing has gotten out of hand. It's born out of a cynical grab for money and nothing else. There once was a time in cinema when directors wanted to work with original material but what has happened to that breed of men? They're missing in action now.

I don't mind the occasional remake provided it makes sense, i.e. if decades have passed since the first one came out and the story still holds up to scrutiny in the context of the times; if it's still relevant as themes and stories go. If it's just to make money off the concept though then that usually fails.

Oh -- and I should add that just because Hollywood has discovered comics/graphic novels that doesn't mean every single one should be made into a "movie" (read: CGI cartoon). We didn't need those horrible, horrible excrement laden Fantastic Four movies let alone a dumb version of Green Lantern. I mean, Ryan Reynolds in a fully CGI costume? Seriously??? Ugh! :uncomfortableness:

Another oh -- can someone please tell Hugh Jackman to take up gardening or perhaps origami or something other than continuing to star in these cinematic turds? His Wolverine schtick is old and he's no Van Helsing. I know a girl's gotta eat and all that but I'm sure Hugh has enough scrilla to get by for awhile.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I love the way this article takes it apart:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ie-is-even-more-absurd-than-you-think/261009/

U.S. Central Command is in Tampa and Covers the Middle East:
At one point in the trailer, a panicked American warns "they've taken out CENTCOM," which might sound like an important core Pentagon office or military decision-making body. It is, but only for the Middle East. The "central" in U.S. Central Command stand for the center of the world map, for which CENTCOM is responsible. That may be a real buzzkiller of a nitpick, but it gives you a sense of just how seriously Red Dawn 2's producers took their mission that they couldn't be bothered to Google the appropriate U.S. theater command: U.S. PACOM, or Pacific Command.

There's suspension of belief then there's blatant ignorant errors based in fact. They couldn't even bother to Google the correct military command related to the Pacific.

 

[Overmind One]

To be fair, not a complete remake because the invading forces are North Koreans instead of Russian but that's just a cop-out.


There should be a federally mandated moratorium on non-creative works like remakes and (i f'ing hate this) "re-imaginings" for the big screen. Except for The Dark Knight Rises, this is the summer of blockbuster banality filled with non-creative and unimaginative remakes aimed at the ignorant generation who aren't aware the originals, many of which have stood the test of time, are available to them at the push of a button from their armchairs via mediums such as Netflix.

What the....

I cant believe they are even TRYING this. You cant do Red Dawn today. Cant be done, no matter how they change the protagonists. It was a period piece only relevant when there was a Cold War. Nobody today will "get it". The context for it no longer exists. Hollywood is out of ideas and they are literally regurgitating every old idea they can think of. I thought doing John Carter (Princess of Mars) was bad, but this?... Like you said, Hollywood is doing too many freakin remakes. Red Dawn...the remake? REALLY????

Im wanting to think positive, but damn.

 

[Joelist]

Meh.

They should have had the invaders be disgruntled Spice Girl groupies instead of North Koreans....

 

[Overmind One]

I love the way this article takes it apart:

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ie-is-even-more-absurd-than-you-think/261009/



There's suspension of belief then there's blatant ignorant errors based in fact. They couldn't even bother to Google the correct military command related to the Pacific.

The entire premise would have to change. In the original, Russians landed on the shores of the US undetected. That CANNOT BE DONE today, anywhere. We have GPS, the military global sonar grid, ground penetrating radar, drones, satellite imagery which can resolve to a ballpoint pen lying on the ground Its just pathetic that money is being spent to do this silly flick. . Why call it Red Dawn? The only "Red" country left of relevance is China. Why not call it something else?

 

[Overmind One]

Couldn't agree more. Red Dawn came out at a time when we were contentious with the Soviets; it was apropos for the time. In that context it made sense but now, not so much. And North Korea? -- pleeezzz!!! :uncomfortableness:

The remake/re-imagining thing has gotten out of hand. It's born out of a cynical grab for money and nothing else. There once was a time in cinema when directors wanted to work with original material but what has happened to that breed of men? They're missing in action now.

I don't mind the occasional remake provided it makes sense, i.e. if decades have passed since the first one came out and the story still holds up to scrutiny in the context of the times; if it's still relevant as themes and stories go. If it's just to make money off the concept though then that usually fails.

Oh -- and I should add that just because Hollywood has discovered comics/graphic novels that doesn't mean every single one should be made into a "movie" (read: CGI cartoon). We didn't need those horrible, horrible excrement laden Fantastic Four movies let alone a dumb version of Green Lantern. I mean, Ryan Reynolds in a fully CGI costume? Seriously??? Ugh! :uncomfortableness:

Another oh -- can someone please tell Hugh Jackman to take up gardening or perhaps origami or something other than continuing to star in these cinematic turds? His Wolverine schtick is old and he's no Van Helsing. I know a girl's gotta eat and all that but I'm sure Hugh has enough scrilla to get by for awhile.

I agree. GateFan and some others here hate to think of their anime as cartoons, but to me they are ALL cartoons. . I hate searching through Netflix movies looking for stuff that sounds interesting, then picking one and finding out it is animated or "anime" (cartoon). I do not understand why these cartoons are compared with live action movies AT ALL. Now CGI OTOH is not cartoony. It is real enough when used in live action stuff to be more than acceptable. But that is a whole other thread.

If they MUST dig into the old ideas bin, why not pull out gems like Captain Nemo: Mysterious Island, or even Captain Nemo and the Underwater City, or redo Close Encounters or even ET? Why are they doing stuff like John Carter and Tron and these god-awful comic book heroes? Where is the ORIGINAL stuff? Is everybody in Hollywood brain dead now?

 

[Bluce Ree]

The entire premise would have to change. In the original, Russians landed on the shores of the US undetected. That CANNOT BE DONE today, anywhere. We have GPS, the military global sonar grid, ground penetrating radar, drones, satellite imagery which can resolve to a ballpoint pen lying on the ground Its just pathetic that money is being spent to do this silly flick. . Why call it Red Dawn? The only "Red" country left of relevance is China. Why not call it something else?

Funny you should mention that. The first cut of the film had the Chinese as the invasion force. However, an internet leak of the movie caused a major uproar in China over the premise. So, MGM had China all but deleted from the final cut of the movie and replaced nearly all references with North Korea for fear of losing Chinese market share. They used CGI to cover all Chinese symbols with Korean ones.

 

[Bluce Ree]

I agree. GateFan and some others here hate to think of their anime as cartoons, but to me they are ALL cartoons. . I hate searching through Netflix movies looking for stuff that sounds interesting, then picking one and finding out it is animated or "anime" (cartoon). I do not understand why these cartoons are compared with live action movies AT ALL. Now CGI OTOH is not cartoony. It is real enough when used in live action stuff to be more than acceptable. But that is a whole other thread.

If they MUST dig into the old ideas bin, why not pull out gems like Captain Nemo: Mysterious Island, or even Captain Nemo and the Underwater City, or redo Close Encounters or even ET? Why are they doing stuff like John Carter and Tron and these god-awful comic book heroes? Where is the ORIGINAL stuff? Is everybody in Hollywood brain dead now?

To be fair, John Carter isn't really a remake or a sequel past its time. It's an original movie based on an old series of books. IMO, I may complain but the movie industry will always make winners and losers. I can't fault them for taking a chance on original movie material but I take serious issue with unfettered and indiscriminate recycling of old movies and TV shows. "Red Dawn" takes this recycling premise to a whole new level, though. They couldn't even be bothered to update the premise or set the story in some sort of technologically-backward alternate universe a-la Dick Tracy.

North Koreans dropping military personal over the US without resistance, let alone the idea of these planes even making it within 250 miles of the country's shores?

 

[shavedape]

I agree. GateFan and some others here hate to think of their anime as cartoons, but to me they are ALL cartoons. . I hate searching through Netflix movies looking for stuff that sounds interesting, then picking one and finding out it is animated or "anime" (cartoon). I do not understand why these cartoons are compared with live action movies AT ALL. Now CGI OTOH is not cartoony. It is real enough when used in live action stuff to be more than acceptable. But that is a whole other thread.

If they MUST dig into the old ideas bin, why not pull out gems like Captain Nemo: Mysterious Island, or even Captain Nemo and the Underwater City, or redo Close Encounters or even ET? Why are they doing stuff like John Carter and Tron and these god-awful comic book heroes? Where is the ORIGINAL stuff? Is everybody in Hollywood brain dead now?

I can support remakes like the 1982 version of The Thing, which was great, but the "prequel" they made last year sucked. It wasn't an improvement on the theme like the 1982 version was nor was it particularly thrilling in terms of SFX like the 1982 version was. It was just pointless.

And that's the problem with Hollywood today, they're doing all these remakes and unoriginal stuff simply because it's a shortcut to short term money. As it is I can't think of any recent remakes off the top of my head that will endure in terms of becoming classics.

 

[shavedape]

To be fair, John Carter isn't really a remake or a sequel past its time. It's an original movie based on an old series of books. IMO, I may complain but the movie industry will always make winners and losers. I can't fault them for taking a chance on original movie material but I take serious issue with unfettered and indiscriminate recycling of old movies and TV shows. "Red Dawn" takes this recycling premise to a whole new level, though. They couldn't even be bothered to update the premise or set the story in some sort of technologically-backward alternate universe a-la Dick Tracy.

North Koreans dropping military personal over the US without resistance, let alone the idea of these planes even making it within 250 miles of the country's shores?

John Carter, being a classic, could have been good; it could have generated a series of movies based on that story line. This is what I mean when I gripe about comic books/graphic novels being made into movies. They often come out cartoonish and just plain laughable even though the potential for developing a really good movie franchise is there at the beginning. That's the sad part. Sure there will be failures of execution in terms of producing these stories but it blows my mind that failure happens on such a large cinematic scale nowadays.

Of course some natty little snot nose will be along soon to blather about how all these movies "break records" and make so much money. Yeah, sure, whatever. The simple truth is that when you spend over 200 million advertising your latest CGI turd you haven't made tons of money for the effort. It's basic math that takes into account the effort involved in producing and distributing these turkeys.

 

[OMNI]

To be fair, John Carter isn't really a remake or a sequel past its time. It's an original movie based on an old series of books. IMO, I may complain but the movie industry will always make winners and losers. I can't fault them for taking a chance on original movie material but I take serious issue with unfettered and indiscriminate recycling of old movies and TV shows. "Red Dawn" takes this recycling premise to a whole new level, though. They couldn't even be bothered to update the premise or set the story in some sort of technologically-backward alternate universe a-la Dick Tracy.

North Koreans dropping military personal over the US without resistance, let alone the idea of these planes even making it within 250 miles of the country's shores?

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This!

also a special weapon knocing stuff out? LOL youd easily have retaliated with nukes ie wipin N-korea off the map... seeing as the US has subs with nukes hidden land missle bases etc etc id be surprised if you didnt have secret shit in space to..

 

[OMNI]

to me a real full force military attack (troops) on the US mainland is inconcievable to me.. youd have to be a fricking lunatic to even try or come up with the idea..

i def do not buy the story AT ALL if N-korea where to attack ANYONE it would be south korea.. and China?? as in the original draft? christ.. that'd never happen as they'd loose waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much buisness over it..

yeah this movie is STUPID and please let it fail miserably.

 

[shavedape]

It's shite. No need to go further.

 

[Overmind One]

To be fair, John Carter isn't really a remake or a sequel past its time. It's an original movie based on an old series of books. IMO, I may complain but the movie industry will always make winners and losers. I can't fault them for taking a chance on original movie material but I take serious issue with unfettered and indiscriminate recycling of old movies and TV shows. "Red Dawn" takes this recycling premise to a whole new level, though. They couldn't even be bothered to update the premise or set the story in some sort of technologically-backward alternate universe a-la Dick Tracy.

North Koreans dropping military personal over the US without resistance, let alone the idea of these planes even making it within 250 miles of the country's shores?

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Those books come from a time when Mars had not been explored by rovers or satellites.I simply cannot suspend belief enough to imagine dudes wearing Roman style tunics and wielding swords and cities with peasants walking around in them on Mars. I would feel the same with a First Men In The Moon, even though it was written by HG Wells. It could be done much more believably than John Carter IMO, since it takes place beneath the surface of the Moon (which we have already seen). Have you seen the movie? . But this...Red Dawn. For reals? No way to do it...but they are doing it anyway?

 

[Bluce Ree]

Those books come from a time when Mars had not been explored by rovers or satellites.I simply cannot suspend belief enough to imagine dudes wearing Roman style tunics and wielding swords and cities with peasants walking around in them on Mars. I would feel the same with a First Men In The Moon, even though it was written by HG Wells. It could be done much more believably than John Carter IMO, since it takes place beneath the surface of the Moon (which we have already seen). Have you seen the movie? . But this...Red Dawn. For reals? No way to do it...but they are doing it anyway?

You're on a rampage, bro!

I can't nitpick total fantasy. Yes, I agree that the John Carter movie was complete SHIT but I see it as total fantasy and I would liken it more to Lord of the Rings or Clash of the Titans in terms of context rather than sci-fi. Fantasy falls into the same category as magic, ghosts and goblins, IMO, and it's hard to nitpick scientific accuracy when it comes to magic, ghosts and goblins.

 

[Overmind One]

You're on a rampage, bro!

I can't nitpick total fantasy. Yes, I agree that the John Carter movie was complete SHIT but I see it as total fantasy and I would liken it more to Lord of the Rings or Clash of the Titans in terms of context rather than sci-fi. Fantasy falls into the same category as magic, ghosts and goblins, IMO, and it's hard to nitpick scientific accuracy when it comes to magic, ghosts and goblins.

6 words: In a Galaxy Far Far Away....

The John Carter movie would have been better to me if it had not been Mars. They had already changed how John got there to a magical thought transference (a la the communications stones). They removed the "Princess of Mars" title, and they just called it "John Carter" instead of "John Carter of Mars". Putting that whole ridiculous sword and princesses thing on a planet OTHER THAN Mars would have made a 1000% difference. Since you made this thread, I have been rolling around scenarios which might allow them to make this Red Dawn movie, and I cant think of ANYTHING. They will have to change everything about the story to make it work, and it will probably suck because it has the title of a much loved movie with a specific story.

 

[Bluce Ree]

6 words: In a Galaxy Far Far Away....

The John Carter movie would have been better to me if it had not been Mars. They had already changed how John got there to a magical thought transference (a la the communications stones). They removed the "Princess of Mars" title, and they just called it "John Carter" instead of "John Carter of Mars". Putting that whole ridiculous sword and princesses thing on a planet OTHER THAN Mars would have made a 1000% difference. Since you made this thread, I have been rolling around scenarios which might allow them to make this Red Dawn movie, and I cant think of ANYTHING. They will have to change everything about the story to make it work, and it will probably suck because it has the title of a much loved movie with a specific story.

100% agree. The only solution, sadly, is to drag the whole movie to the desktop recycle bin and start again.

 

[Joelist]

That's why I said the RD remake would have been better making the invaders disgruntled Spice Girls groupies. That way you do it as a goofy spoof a la "The Mouse that Roared". And yes John Carter would have benefitted from a setting change to an alternate reality.

As to weapons that knock everything out, that would normally be EMP. EMP however is usually caused via nuclear detonations and a strong enough pulse to knock down our hardened military communications would have sent the whole continent back to the proverbial stone age. And even then our SSBNs (the Ohio class Trident Submarines) would still be operational and would launch - North Korea or China for that matter would be obliterated.