Proposed Bering Straight Chunnel

[YJ02]

If dug, it will be double the longest tunnel already in existence. If built, it could lower the cost of mass transport of Chinese, Korean and other Asian made goods to north america-and vice versa, quite a bit

interesting none the less:

BERING STRAIT TUNNEL DATA:

■ The project will actually involve construction of three parallel tunnels under the Bering Strait connecting the U.S. and Russia, along with sections of railway linking to the rail systems on each of the two continents.

■ Both of the two main tunnels (each not less than 54 feet / 16.5 meters outside diameter, 49 feet / 15 meters inside diameter) will accommodate two-way traffic between Alaska and Russia. Both tunnels will also include two levels of traffic: the bottom part will have a railway for slower moving cargo and passenger conventional traffic; an upper level will include space for high-speed rail trains, one or two lanes for automobiles, and additional space for a future Airless Maglev Tube Transport system (at speeds of up to 4,000 miles per hour). Still other space at the right and left "corners" of the bottom level will be used for water, gas and oil pipelines plus electrical and fiber optic cables.

■ A third tunnel (23 feet / 7 meters outside diameter, 18 feet / 5.5 meters inside diameter), built between the two main tunnels, will provide emergency access corridors to each main tunnel at regular intervals along the entire route. It will also house a road for use by emergency and maintenance vehicles.

■ The length of each tunnel will be about 74 miles / 132 kilometers or more, which includes the width of the Bering Strait (64 miles / 103 km) plus a distance not less than 5 miles / 8 kilometers inland on each coast. This will result in better access for trains utilizing the tunnels.

■ Completion of the entire project will take 12-15 years, at an estimated cost of $35 billion.

http://www.interbering.com/Bering-Strait-Tunnel-Plan.html

 

[Joelist]

Much as I hate to say it this has the look of a scam to reel in investors then disappear.

 

[PussyGalore]

It's not any more convenient for getting hard goods to the lower 48 than container ships are right now. In fact, it looks far more complicated and off the beaten path than the current system we are using. Like JL I doubt this is a real thing.

 

[YJ02]

It's not any more convenient for getting hard goods to the lower 48 than container ships are right now. In fact, it looks far more complicated and off the beaten path than the current system we are using. Like JL I doubt this is a real thing.

i didn't see any link for investors..maybe there is

doesn't matter

if you look at the new russian and chinese rail lines being built or in place and expandable, that is where the speed of and value of using high speed rail comes in

<<you know how many full containers are lost to the ocean every year? the cost and the insurance for that? geeshh
a lot of high def tv sets being watched by Kaiju down in the Marianas trench >>>

the recent formation and strengthening of the russia chinese Eurasian Economic Union, their funding of the new Silk Roads and their maritime Silk Roads have all been funded by not just russian and chinese, but by any and all other nations in the EEU and those who could tag along.

the route across the bering is the quickest if it can be done in a safe way-like underground. high speed rail from China north east industrial areas could be in the tunnel in a day, north america in 2 or 3 days. that is a lot shorter then a pacific crossing

as with the new silk road-or beltran road-into central,south central and west asia and into europe, goods are gotten onto those rails even sooner by many established factories moving further into china's western regions and away from the coast to be closer to the rail hubs for the new system.

they could do this same thing with Russian help by moving factories up and into the russian eastern maritime districts



and--EVERY investment on anything new is a potential scam

 

[Overmind One]

i didn't see any link for investors..maybe there is

doesn't matter

if you look at the new russian and chinese rail lines being built or in place and expandable, that is where the speed of and value of using high speed rail comes in

<<you know how many full containers are lost to the ocean every year? the cost and the insurance for that? geeshh
a lot of high def tv sets being watched by Kaiju down in the Marianas trench >>>

the recent formation and strengthening of the russia chinese Eurasian Economic Union, their funding of the new Silk Roads and their maritime Silk Roads have all been funded by not just russian and chinese, but by any and all other nations in the EEU and those who could tag along.

the route across the bering is the quickest if it can be done in a safe way-like underground. high speed rail from China north east industrial areas could be in the tunnel in a day, north america in 2 or 3 days. that is a lot shorter then a pacific crossing

as with the new silk road-or beltran road-into central,south central and west asia and into europe, goods are gotten onto those rails even sooner by many established factories moving further into china's western regions and away from the coast to be closer to the rail hubs for the new system.

they could do this same thing with Russian help by moving factories up and into the russian eastern maritime districts



and--EVERY investment on anything new is a potential scam

100% of the incentive to build this is for corporate and business interests. None of it is needed by the masses or the poor or to facilitate public transportation. 35 billion? This is more than what it has cost to put the ISS in space.

 

[PussyGalore]

100% of the incentive to build this is for corporate and business interests. None of it is needed by the masses or the poor or to facilitate public transportation. 35 billion? This is more than what it has cost to put the ISS in space.

And we all know $35 billion is a low-ball number that would be exceeded by much, much more before this thing would be completed. Quite frankly, that number of $35 billion is a joke.

Also, it makes no sense to go as far north as possible when you have to go just as far south on the other side (China up to Russia then over to Alaska, thru Canada and down into the States). No matter how you slice it using container ships and airplanes would remain much more economical to use for shipping merchandise should this thing ever get built.

 

[Overmind One]

And we all know $35 billion is a low-ball number that would be exceeded by much, much more before this thing would be completed. Quite frankly, that number of $35 billion is a joke.

Also, it makes no sense to go as far north as possible when you have to go just as far south on the other side (China up to Russia then over to Alaska, thru Canada and down into the States). No matter how you slice it using container ships and airplanes would remain much more economical to use for shipping merchandise should this thing ever get built.

This is the same way the money-pit science labs get their money. The goal is not even to build the tunnel to completion (or to discover anything new). The goal is to create the money flow. The real profit in this is in the R&D and the construction contracts. The invested interests will make their money whether or not the tunnel is ever completed.

 

[YJ02]

no, this is the future of land travel, and it could facilitate moving people as well.

planes need a massive amount of fuel to carry a load. crossing the pac by plane is about a 14-18 flight depending on route

and to a fraction of what a train could carry in a plane, there a very few aircraft capable of that lift and distance


tell me you the scammer is, or, what is the hard evidence you have that this is anymore a scam then any other proposed project of this scale?

 

[YJ02]

russian goverment, cinese gov are collaborating on this

"The project was unveiled by the Russian Economy Ministry under the name TKM-WorldLink, and will be jointly financed by government and private interests. Russia plans to formally present the plan to the U.S. Government this week. Alaska's former governor, Walter Joseph Hickel, is already in Moscow to give a series of talks on the project."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willia...uild-tunnel-under-bering-strait/#1f358a825192

https://www.sciencealert.com/china-plans-to-build-a-railway-from-beijing-to-the-us

and another article states : "...Cooper notes, “will be the equivalent of what the United States will spend in total on the Iraq War, for which there will be no measureable benefit to anyone.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...rhighway-bering-strait-new-york-paris/397370/

 

[PussyGalore]

tell me you the scammer is,

russian goverment, cinese gov are collaborating on this

 

[Overmind One]

no, this is the future of land travel, and it could facilitate moving people as well.

planes need a massive amount of fuel to carry a load. crossing the pac by plane is about a 14-18 flight depending on route

and to a fraction of what a train could carry in a plane, there a very few aircraft capable of that lift and distance


tell me you the scammer is, or, what is the hard evidence you have that this is anymore a scam then any other proposed project of this scale?

Future of land travel? I think that is pitch line number 7 Others are "it is environmentally friendly", "it uses recyclable materials", "it creates jobs" (even though they are temporary). This tunnel is not needed. But the real giveaway is the cost 35 BILLION. The tunnel will simply not cost that much. How about they shop the contracts out and open them for competition? That is something you will not see.

"crossing the pac by plane is about a 14-18 flight depending on route and to a fraction of what a train could carry in a plane, there a very few aircraft capable of that lift and distance"

For 35 billion, it isn't worth it. Also, where is the trade between Russia and the US going to come from? What product from Russia is in demand by the US (besides mail-order brides)? Why the hell would we want a permanent tunnel to Russia? Contrary to far right beliefs, Russia is NOT our friend. It provides an easy target for terrorist attacks.

 

[Overmind One]

 

[PussyGalore]

This is the same way the money-pit science labs get their money. The goal is not even to build the tunnel to completion (or to discover anything new). The goal is to create the money flow. The real profit in this is in the R&D and the construction contracts. The invested interests will make their money whether or not the tunnel is ever completed.

I'm somewhat familiar with municipal infrastructure projects and it's all about the construction contracts. More importantly, there is never, ever, an approved budget that comes in at the agreed upon amount. Never. It doesn't matter which governing body is overseeing the project, it simply will not come in at the amount that has been approved.

The claim that $35 billion is all that it will take to make this tunnel a reality is laughable. The Chinese and Russian con artists will have that money spent before they even break ground.

As for R&D, I can't help but remember a minor part in this book I read years ago called The Asgard Run by Steve Vance. It's about a space ship that is found buried in the ground. They find it when they are coring out a long-distance tunnel to be used in a network of high speed "highway tunnels" in the future. Of course they are using technology that doesn't exist in order to dig those tunnels. The purpose of the tunnels is so people can get from like Atlanta to Seattle in a hour (I don't remember the exact details). At any rate, it's an interesting concept but digging cross-continental tunnels is a pipe dream for many reasons. Maybe when technology improves we will be able to make longer ones than we have now but it's going to take a hell of a lot of development. (And I'm not sure how deep tunnels would deal with the natural fault lines in the Earth's crust.)

 

[Joelist]

Don't forget this:

 

[Overmind One]

I'm somewhat familiar with municipal infrastructure projects and it's all about the construction contracts. More importantly, there is never, ever, an approved budget that comes in at the agreed upon amount. Never. It doesn't matter which governing body is overseeing the project, it simply will not come in at the amount that has been approved.

The claim that $35 billion is all that it will take to make this tunnel a reality is laughable. The Chinese and Russian con artists will have that money spent before they even break ground.

As for R&D, I can't help but remember a minor part in this book I read years ago called The Asgard Run by Steve Vance. It's about a space ship that is found buried in the ground. They find it when they are coring out a long-distance tunnel to be used in a network of high speed "highway tunnels" in the future. Of course they are using technology that doesn't exist in order to dig those tunnels. The purpose of the tunnels is so people can get from like Atlanta to Seattle in a hour (I don't remember the exact details). At any rate, it's an interesting concept but digging cross-continental tunnels is a pipe dream for many reasons. Maybe when technology improves we will be able to make longer ones than we have now but it's going to take a hell of a lot of development. (And I'm not sure how deep tunnels would deal with the natural fault lines in the Earth's crust.)

We do not need this tunnel. Why should any regular citizen of Russia, China or the US be supporting the construction of this tunnel? It has ZERO benefit. This is not the same as say the Chunnel, which is basically an extension of a highway and replaces the daily air shuttles between France and the UK. A bridge would have been impractical in the English channel and the footings would not hold well in the chalk seabed. Either way, it came in more than 10 BILLION above the original estimate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...e2d-a164-c259e6141977/?utm_term=.ca20e2125d4d

British financial markets received a rude shock earlier this month when Eurotunnel PLC, the British-French consortium building the tunnel, announced that costs had jumped from the pre-construction estimate of $7.8 billion in 1987 to more than $11.3 billion. Projections from outside the company go as high as $12.8 billion. Money available from a $1.6 billion initial stock offering and loans from more than 200 banks totals only $9.7 billion, including what had originally been a cushion against rising costs.

It ended up being $21 BILLION or about 10 billion over budget.

 

[Overmind One]

Don't forget this:

I loved that concept! That is actually something that could be done more easily than a multi-lane highway tunnel for cars or trucks or trains. But air travel is still a tiny fraction of what it would cost to build those Subshuttle tunnels, and probably safer. Thy could easily do it with drone tunnel boring machines.

 

[Lord Ba'al]

So you build a tunnel. Great. Now what about the rest of the trajectory on both sides? That's some seriously inhospitable terrain to deal with over seriously vast distances.

 

[Overmind One]

So you build a tunnel. Great. Now what about the rest of the trajectory on both sides? That's some seriously inhospitable terrain to deal with over seriously vast distances.

The only landfall Russia has to build the east end of the tunnel is in Alaska, which means that Federal money and legislation would be involved, and the whole thing just creates another trough for the big fat greedy cow-like 1% to munch from to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. I think that it would be enough to motivate Sarah Palin to get sober and try and get her some of that dough. She can see Russia from her porch and shit.

 

[Joelist]

When you look at it the tunnel costs are only a small fraction of the price tag. Look at where the two endpoints are - the Russia end would require a massive infrastructure build going right through Siberia which is some of the worst environments on earth for this stuff. The other end is Alaska and Western Canada which is also a massive spend.

 

[YJ02]

How about they shop the contracts out and open them for competition? That is something you will not see.

both sponsor nations are socialist -lite economies..no needs for bids.

For 35 billion, it isn't worth it.

ok, so instead of spending this amount lets just keeps spending trillions on defense budgets and wars (iraq price tag, mentioned in one of the linked articles)?

because those are so much better uses of money?

and it seems like most of the funds are coming from the EEU with some backing from the EU and then pvt russian and chinese companies (well, private russian companies..no such thing as private in china)

the chinese have owned the panama canal and alot of north american and other areas port facilities for some time now. if these ppl want to spend money that is mainly theirs own this thing then why stop them?