JJ, Orci, Kurzman and everyone around them are hipsters.
It has a name: Star Trek: Into Darkness.
- Thread starter Overmind One
- Start date
JJ, Orci, Kurzman and everyone around them are hipsters.
I try to just forget Star Trek Into Darkness was ever made. Basically they deep sixed with me all the goodwill they had from Star Trek 09.
Into Darkness wasn't just not Trek, it wasn't even a good action film. Incoherent plot, bizarre story elements that just did not tie together, a reveal on the villain that actually hurt rather than helped the story and so on. The main cast gave good performances again (and again Karl Urban nailed McCoy) but nothing could save this mess.
Into Darkness wasn't just not Trek, it wasn't even a good action film. Incoherent plot, bizarre story elements that just did not tie together, a reveal on the villain that actually hurt rather than helped the story and so on. The main cast gave good performances again (and again Karl Urban nailed McCoy) but nothing could save this mess.
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Isn't that what really breaks your heart? Given good scripts, logical stories these guys could have absolutely rebuilt the idea of a "modern TOS trek" and they were given......... poor tools to work with.
As a fan, it breaks my heart, it really does.
As a kid looking for inspiration, I would NOT look to Trek anymore, it is a poor parody of what it was.
I am watching this dreck right now. 
It is really sad, because in the background of the bridge, engineering, just about everywhere,...flashing lights. Not just repeating digital displays, but literally flashing lights like Christmas lights behind Plexiglas. 
I really never noticed just how badly they got the Enterprise interiors. The brig is a huge expanse of nothingness for a single cell?
And what the hell is this "room" in engineering supposed to be?
Oooh lookie. Shiny sparkly! So pretty!
And this Enterprise has a complete indoor mall with dimensions that defy the size of the ship:
Those flip phone communicators are a nice touch, eh? I guess it is some sort of retro fad in the 23rd century?
And Emperor Marcus has been exposed as a Sith Lord. Yep, all those little lights in the background just flash and twinkle for effect and are absolutely useless (note the lens flare...nice touch, JJ):
I didn't like this movie the first time around, then the second time I watched it I hated it even more, then this time I laughed at it. It was done in the style I think we will see in Star Wars. This movie is definitely not Trek. It is Trek-esque, but this is an action flick, not science fiction.
It is really sad, because in the background of the bridge, engineering, just about everywhere,...flashing lights. Not just repeating digital displays, but literally flashing lights like Christmas lights behind Plexiglas. I really never noticed just how badly they got the Enterprise interiors. The brig is a huge expanse of nothingness for a single cell?
And what the hell is this "room" in engineering supposed to be?
Oooh lookie. Shiny sparkly! So pretty!
And this Enterprise has a complete indoor mall with dimensions that defy the size of the ship:
Those flip phone communicators are a nice touch, eh? I guess it is some sort of retro fad in the 23rd century?
And Emperor Marcus has been exposed as a Sith Lord. Yep, all those little lights in the background just flash and twinkle for effect and are absolutely useless (note the lens flare...nice touch, JJ):
I didn't like this movie the first time around, then the second time I watched it I hated it even more, then this time I laughed at it. It was done in the style I think we will see in Star Wars. This movie is definitely not Trek. It is Trek-esque, but this is an action flick, not science fiction.
Last edited:
Gatefan1976
Well Known GateFan
Umm........... TOS had flip communicators, they are probably what inspired our creation of them.
Yes, but this is a reboot. In this one, flip style communicators are an unnecessary reference to TOS which is dumb in a reboot during a time when flip phones are considered disposable and only belong to people who dont have smartphones. There is no excuse at all for the flashing dummy lights used in this film.
Last edited:
Things that really bother me about NuTrek:
- WHY are there tribbles in every NuTrek film without them telling us where they came from?
- Why are there constant references to things like Gorns and other characters in Trek when the Federation has not met them yet?
- Why did Spock Prime even appear in this movie to talk about Kahn of the TOS timeline? This isnt the same Kahn, and nobody knows why he is dangerous.
- Why didnt the sensors on the secret ship not pick up Scotty's shuttle as it approached?
- Why was Scotty's shuttle allowed to enter the "secret" space dock by just "blending in" with the supply shuttles?
- Why was the Enterprise submerged underwater when STID started?
- Why did Carol Marcus have a heavy British accent when her father sounded like he was from Wyoming?
- Why did Carol Marcus make a reference to Christine Chapel, saying she had been transferred?
- Where did the USS Bradbury suddenly come from (it is the ship Spock was allegedly transferred to)
- Why do the phasers now have MOVING PARTS, and you actually have to "cock" them like a gun.
- Why are the Starfleet uniforms now sporting epaulets with overdone blingy rank insignia instead of clean, simple pips or stripes on the sleeve like in TOS?
Last edited:
And every point but the last two goes back to WRITING.
It will be interesting to see how the new director and writers try to get things back on an even keel now that the three stooges are out of the picture. At least we gained some intel - if you see Orci, Kurtzman or especially Damon Lindelof with writer credits on a film just avoid it.
It will be interesting to see how the new director and writers try to get things back on an even keel now that the three stooges are out of the picture. At least we gained some intel - if you see Orci, Kurtzman or especially Damon Lindelof with writer credits on a film just avoid it.
Bluce Ree
Tech Admin / Council Member
Yeah, but TOS was conceived in the 60s. It is absolutely OK to upgrade a remake to a more modern perspective. Otherwise, we'd have the same old stupid cardboard bridge as well.
Answer: THEY CANT. Its too late. They ejected the warp core and it exploded and the plans for it were destroyed.
How can you undo transwarp beaming? All of Starfleet has it now (Scotty says Starfleet forced him to give it to the fleet). Death is now curable in Trek. Starfleet could conceivably create a dispensing device inside uniforms which essentially make all Starfleet officers an army of undead. If anybody dies, they can easily be brought back to life. And with transwarp beaming, anything can be beamed anywhere even if the target is moving at warp. It cant be fixed. Got any creative scenarios which could fix those wounds? Perhaps the -it was all a dream- trope?
The problem there is that they dont want to do that. They WANT to keep transwarp beaming, because that is why they created it in the first place. Leonard Nimoy (Spock Prime) was used like a tool to give Scotty the transwarp formula he supposedly created. I guess that since our beloved Spock was the one who "anointed" transwarp beaming, that it was going to be accepted by the fandom. Instead, he has inadvertently destroyed the need for starships. Kahn's blood can be used to cure illnesses all the way up to and including death. No need for sickbays.
The whole thing is poisoned.
The biggies...HUGE biggies: Transwarp beaming, curable death, Uhura and Spock, Vulcan, the new Klingons, trampled canon.
To me, the combination of all of those thing is fatal. I really do not see a way for them to fix it unless they take us back to the look of the previous timeline, only in the TOS time. I dont see them seeing any sort of reason to fix any of the things they broke, since the motivation to make these Trek films is getting butts in the seats.
All I am saying is we have no information right now to go on. We're dealing with a new crew here, and Paramount knows they got major fan blowback over ST:ID. As to canon, remember the whole premise is an AU and in the very events that "made" the AU in essence put us in a different "canon". Nero changed Kirk's past when he destroyed the USS Kelvin killing Kirk's father in the process. As if that wasn't a big enough timeline fork he also blew Vulcan up.
The big problem is not harm to the canon but rather illogical plot elements in Into Darkness. Curable Death was idiotic as were the other things you listed. And from those illogical elements you get to the core thing they produced - a big, dumb, incoherent film that really had no themes at all (despite the claims of Orci). 2009 had themes - duty, loyalty, the bond of friendship, the base idea that the future is brighter, working together to overcome the odds and so on. Into Darkness alas was dark, moody slop.
The big problem is not harm to the canon but rather illogical plot elements in Into Darkness. Curable Death was idiotic as were the other things you listed. And from those illogical elements you get to the core thing they produced - a big, dumb, incoherent film that really had no themes at all (despite the claims of Orci). 2009 had themes - duty, loyalty, the bond of friendship, the base idea that the future is brighter, working together to overcome the odds and so on. Into Darkness alas was dark, moody slop.
Transwarp beaming would change the entire Star Trek universe in a huge way. The plagues found on Federation planets can be cured en masse using Kahn's blood. Ships are no longer needed to go to the Klingon homeworld or any other homeworlds, because now you can just beam from system to system. The new ship that Admiral Marcus built is far more powerful and faster than the "flagship". Makes no sense either. Spock wont go through Pon Farr. They killed Pike. So many things wrong. We already have this information, and it isnt just little stuff we are dealing with.
They need to clean it up somehow. I have no clue how they can do it.
They need to clean it up somehow. I have no clue how they can do it.
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
i don't think you shall be granted that wish-read where SW7 has already outperformed Jurassic World for its opening night (weekend?)
just thought Id chime in
YJ02
Well Known GateFan
Ok so I finally saw INTO DARKNESS...
but as I was watching it, it seemed familar-did I watch this on HBO? Or was I just imagining I'd seen it having spliced the trailers and comments here together in my memory to give me the sensation i had watched it.
do't remember if I had said anything here about it if I did see it before, so....
first off-I think the most annoying thing about the film is the way that Karl Urban attempts to seriously channel Deforrest Kelly
Kelly was just being Kelly- from what I remember of what I had seen of him in other movies, the voice he gave McCoy was HIS voice
Karl Urban is being way too much character actor
and on top of talking like him, did he really have to say the same witty one liners as TOS McCoy? I found that irritating--WHy couldn't this alt galxy McCoy just have an Australian accent?
and I like Urban--in LOTR's, PATHFINDER, CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK, he is a good actor
and then this Spock
why does he have to be such a whiney assed, pasty faced, stick up his ass pansy?
that given and understanding he is a Vulcan-these things seemed-to me- to be just way overdone. Always chasing after Kirk, always beratting. The original Spock usually approached Kirk, stated his mind, then either conferred with Kirk-if Kirk agreed, or he just F'd off if Kirk didn't.
--the communicators--so Kirk can talk to Scotty, hand held to hand held, from Kronos to Earth (and Jupiter orbit), but then later, when someone (Sulu or Spock) asks Uhura to use the ship's commo to contact Earth, she says "we are not in range"
huh?
---the Klingons are just over done also. And their appearance is just way off. Augment disease aside, a species should look the same from alt galaxy to alt galaxy-shouldn't they? And if not, they why don't humans or vulcans look different?
the behavior of the Klingons is also way over the top--even for them BEING KILNGONS
--why would SF conduct a top level, super secret squirrel meeting on the top-or near it- floor of a glass windowed office building? Particularly in the aftermath of a major attack that targeted a SF facility? Dumb. And what IS with the glass windows? Being serious here, why wouldn't the windows in SF HQ be made of transpo alum?
On glass-why are the helmet visors of the space suits made of glass as well?
the rest of my peeves? you guys pretty much covered them
the next movie-BEYOND-we have seen the first trailer and it looks damned silly
what TOS movie plot will they be ripping off? If it is in any order, it would be VOYAGE HOME, but since we see no massive whale like probes or whales in the trailer, think that is out.
I am thinking that it just could be original. Well kind of. As I said in the BEYOND thread, it seems to be a lot like PREDATORS, or any number of VOYAGER eps where certain "warroirs" from other species are kept on a hunting/training ground planet. Then we see the hunted (our heroes) turn the tide on the abductors --a Gorn?--
the VOYAGER eps I speak of would be the ones where the Hirogen capture others and place them on a planet/planetoid (?) and used them to train their war packs
-------------------
now--if I had never ever watched any ST of any type before this, I would think these nu trek movies are ok, action flicks, but seeing that I have seen everything Trek then....
but as I was watching it, it seemed familar-did I watch this on HBO? Or was I just imagining I'd seen it having spliced the trailers and comments here together in my memory to give me the sensation i had watched it.
do't remember if I had said anything here about it if I did see it before, so....
first off-I think the most annoying thing about the film is the way that Karl Urban attempts to seriously channel Deforrest Kelly
Kelly was just being Kelly- from what I remember of what I had seen of him in other movies, the voice he gave McCoy was HIS voice
Karl Urban is being way too much character actor
and on top of talking like him, did he really have to say the same witty one liners as TOS McCoy? I found that irritating--WHy couldn't this alt galxy McCoy just have an Australian accent?
and I like Urban--in LOTR's, PATHFINDER, CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK, he is a good actor
and then this Spock
why does he have to be such a whiney assed, pasty faced, stick up his ass pansy?
that given and understanding he is a Vulcan-these things seemed-to me- to be just way overdone. Always chasing after Kirk, always beratting. The original Spock usually approached Kirk, stated his mind, then either conferred with Kirk-if Kirk agreed, or he just F'd off if Kirk didn't.
--the communicators--so Kirk can talk to Scotty, hand held to hand held, from Kronos to Earth (and Jupiter orbit), but then later, when someone (Sulu or Spock) asks Uhura to use the ship's commo to contact Earth, she says "we are not in range"
huh?
---the Klingons are just over done also. And their appearance is just way off. Augment disease aside, a species should look the same from alt galaxy to alt galaxy-shouldn't they? And if not, they why don't humans or vulcans look different?
the behavior of the Klingons is also way over the top--even for them BEING KILNGONS
--why would SF conduct a top level, super secret squirrel meeting on the top-or near it- floor of a glass windowed office building? Particularly in the aftermath of a major attack that targeted a SF facility? Dumb. And what IS with the glass windows? Being serious here, why wouldn't the windows in SF HQ be made of transpo alum?
On glass-why are the helmet visors of the space suits made of glass as well?
the rest of my peeves? you guys pretty much covered them
the next movie-BEYOND-we have seen the first trailer and it looks damned silly
what TOS movie plot will they be ripping off? If it is in any order, it would be VOYAGE HOME, but since we see no massive whale like probes or whales in the trailer, think that is out.
I am thinking that it just could be original. Well kind of. As I said in the BEYOND thread, it seems to be a lot like PREDATORS, or any number of VOYAGER eps where certain "warroirs" from other species are kept on a hunting/training ground planet. Then we see the hunted (our heroes) turn the tide on the abductors --a Gorn?--
the VOYAGER eps I speak of would be the ones where the Hirogen capture others and place them on a planet/planetoid (?) and used them to train their war packs
-------------------
now--if I had never ever watched any ST of any type before this, I would think these nu trek movies are ok, action flicks, but seeing that I have seen everything Trek then....