It has a name: Star Trek: Into Darkness.

[shavedape]

Unlike "light side spirits" Darksiders can possess other bodies. Normally you would have a "dominance struggle" but as the clone is full grown but with no personality, the Emperor just imprints on the empty mind.

OMG, we can only hope Abrams hasn't read this series. I'm sure what he comes up with will be bad enough.

 

[Gatefan1976]

This is it here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Empire
From all I have heard though, they are not doing anything related to the EU of SW, but misinformation is pretty common in movie's these days (Khan in I.D.) just as a thread appropriate example

 

[ParagonPie]

Sorry jumping back into the movie. Slight error in the name of the Klingon Homeworld. They called it Kronos, its flipping spelt Qo'Nos. Seriously? Can't these idiots do a simple websearch?

 

[Overmind One]

Sorry jumping back into the movie. Slight error in the name of the Klingon Homeworld. They called it Kronos, its flipping spelt Qo'Nos. Seriously? Can't these idiots do a simple websearch?

What I dont get is how firing a bunch of sleepers to Qo'Nos in photon torpedo tubes was going to destroy the Klingon homeworld. What if the sleepers had resentments with earth and joined the Klingons in an invasion? It was just plain stupid.

 

[mzzz]

Or why they, the evil commander dude and co., couldn't get Khan to use brilliant intellect to build a stable transwarp teleportation to render vessels almost moot, he obviously was able to build a very compact version to transport himself.

I wonder if JJ will start an alternate timeline or something so he can make the excuse he's not dealing with canon and bring the old stars in some cameo-esque way, hmmm we'll see I guess. Does Star Wars have teleportation? I can't recall.

 

[Bluce Ree]

What I dont get is how firing a bunch of sleepers to Qo'Nos in photon torpedo tubes was going to destroy the Klingon homeworld. What if the sleepers had resentments with earth and joined the Klingons in an invasion? It was just plain stupid.

Dude, they were being shot at high velocity at a planet. The chances that any of them would survive the impact was zero and I don't think the plan was to destroy Qo'Nos but to make it evident that they were "attacked" by Starfleet.
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Or why they, the evil commander dude and co., couldn't get Khan to use brilliant intellect to build a stable transwarp teleportation to render vessels almost moot, he obviously was able to build a very compact version to transport himself.

I wonder if JJ will start an alternate timeline or something so he can make the excuse he's not dealing with canon and bring the old stars in some cameo-esque way, hmmm we'll see I guess. Does Star Wars have teleportation? I can't recall.

Who said they didn't have stable transwarp transport tech? They've had the tech since ST 2009.

Abrams is an idiot who barely cares about story content, let alone consistency or continuity. Once you introduce a technology of that caliber you can't pretend it doesn't exist or isn't going to be in widespread use in the following sequels. He pretty much rendered all their travel technology moot when Spock gave Scotty the means for transwarp transport.

 

[Overmind One]

Dude, they were being shot at high velocity at a planet. The chances that any of them would survive the impact was zero and I don't think the plan was to destroy Qo'Nos but to make it evident that they were "attacked" by Starfleet.
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Who said they didn't have stable transwarp transport tech? They've had the tech since ST 2009.

Abrams is an idiot who barely cares about story content, let alone consistency or continuity. Once you introduce a technology of that caliber you can't pretend it doesn't exist or isn't going to be in widespread use in the following sequels. He pretty much rendered all their travel technology moot when Spock gave Scotty the means for transwarp transport.

That's another thing...we know that Spock's dilithium re-crystallization made the search for dilithium a non-issue in the TNG/DS9/Voyager timeline. But in TNG "Relics", Scotty was in transporter suspension and only mastered OLD tech. He was so out of touch with modern Starfleet technology that Geordi said he was "in the way". This means that after the thing with the Dyson sphere was done and they gave him his shuttle, he somehow managed to invent transwarp beaming? EVEN WITH the change in the timeline, it would mean the aforementioned, plus Spock somehow hooking up with Scotty after the Dyson sphere incident and then getting the formula. If they had that technology, why didnt the Romulans of Spock Prime's time simply use transwarp beaming to move to another solar system? Better yet, why didnt Nero from the 2009 movie just go to Romulus and warn them that it would be destroyed in the future by a supernova?

Abrams fails not because of a lack of creativity, he fails because of a lack of intellect and familiarization with logic. He is all action and no brain.

 

[ParagonPie]

So the plan was to engage in a war with the Klingons? Ok why? Has Starfleet been secretly building up an entire armada? Oh just one ship, that makes all the bloody difference in the battle for the entire quadrant right? Why engage in a war to which you know your forces are completely unprepared for? I think also it is a degree of the creative staff lacking in subtlety. Once again we see nothing of the militarization of Starfleet, no hints no nothing, no changes to way how they do operations, no dedicated branch of 'defensive' units/ships being set up.

Remember in DS9, the Defiant class was something unheard of. A warship in the Federation? Yet it was needed and it wasn't just one ship, it was planned to be a fleet of ships of a new battle group (along with the Akira class cruisers, something also built specifically for the Dominion War). Great Scott Marty!

 

[Bluce Ree]

So the plan was to engage in a war with the Klingons? Ok why? Has Starfleet been secretly building up an entire armada? Oh just one ship, that makes all the bloody difference in the battle for the entire quadrant right? Why engage in a war to which you know your forces are completely unprepared for? I think also it is a degree of the creative staff lacking in subtlety. Once again we see nothing of the militarization of Starfleet, no hints no nothing, no changes to way how they do operations, no dedicated branch of 'defensive' units/ships being set up.

Remember in DS9, the Defiant class was something unheard of. A warship in the Federation? Yet it was needed and it wasn't just one ship, it was planned to be a fleet of ships of a new battle group (along with the Akira class cruisers, something also built specifically for the Dominion War). Great Scott Marty!

DS9 takes place nearly 100 years in the future and the Defiant was not that far ahead of the tech available at the time.

The ship they had in ST: Into the Toilet was at least 100 years beyond anything they had in that time period. That single ship would easily have plowed through the entire Klingon fleet and any allies of the time they may acquire. To keep the Klingons concentrated, the ship could attack the Klingon homeworld until they screamed "uncle".

The only reason that new dreadnought class ship was defeated is because it was sabotaged from the inside.

On the other hand, Abrams has once again created technology that cannot just disappear from continuity. That ship's schematics are going to be available and if even on the ship's onboard computers since it crashed and did not self-destruct. What that means is that between transwarp and that new class of ship, Starfleet is the most powerful entity in the quadrant and has no threat to it whatsoever.

Abrams is an idiot.

 

[Overmind One]

DS9 takes place nearly 100 years in the future and the Defiant was not that far ahead of the tech available at the time.

The ship they had in ST: Into the Toilet was at least 100 years beyond anything they had in that time period. That single ship would easily have plowed through the entire Klingon fleet and any allies of the time they may acquire. To keep the Klingons concentrated, the ship could attack the Klingon homeworld until they screamed "uncle".

The only reason that new dreadnought class ship was defeated is because it was sabotaged from the inside.

On the other hand, Abrams has once again created technology that cannot just disappear from continuity. That ship's schematics are going to be available and if even on the ship's onboard computers since it crashed and did not self-destruct. What that means is that between transwarp and that new class of ship, Starfleet is the most powerful entity in the quadrant and has no threat to it whatsoever.

Abrams is an idiot.

Yep, and it is in those moments that we see how lacking he is in the area of science and technical possibility. Canon and backstory are not high priorities in action movies, just action, excitement and white knuckling. Its the difference between the enjoyment you get from driving along a coastal scenic highway, and riding a roller coaster. It absolutely PROVES that Abrams is not a thinking man. Just a daring one.

 

[ParagonPie]

DS9 takes place nearly 100 years in the future and the Defiant was not that far ahead of the tech available at the time.

It was an into reference point, as to why the Federation/Starfleet would create war like vessels, not a "Hey why aren't the using Defiant Class vessels in this." Sorry but Duuurrrr

So if this vessel was soooo powerful then why dupe the Enterprise crew into going after Kahn? If they knew a war was coming and they were going to fire the first shot, wouldn't you use the most powerful weapons available? Like on the freaking Dreadnought? If that thing is so power then it could of obliterated any defensive fleets around and leveled the entire planet before you can say tea and cumpets good sir. Also they could of easily killed Kahn since the mentioned planet leveling stuff was already done or in process, sure wolverine blood doesn't cure a120 mega tone nuclear blast.

Then again you could just trans warp nuclear ordnance all over the enemy planets, ships, space stations, toilet seats etc thus eliminating any need for ground forces or fleets.

However my issue is that, its another 'unstoppable vessel' which I am getting bored of quite frankly. We've had this twice in a row now. For something that is called Into Darkness, there isn't anything really dark about it, just that this time they sided with a guy whom they knew was going to back stab them. Into Darkness implies that the characters are going into moral grey/ambiguity, going into the world of interstellar espionage.

The ship they had in ST: Into the Toilet was at least 100 years beyond anything they had in that time period.

There is no reference to that ship being that advanced, just that it was more advanced that currently in use Star Fleet tech. The Narada was more advanced yes, but the Dreadnought? Sorry but no, can't believe that. Keep in mind they are only using resources and scienctific methods from that generation, no tech came from the future. At all. I don't believe that the Federation has that level of tech or resources to put into a vessel like that, let alone no one notice where these resources are going into, no one wondered, "Hey, why is 50% of the budget going into this something called Mr Admirals secret cookie jar."

PS. The only race which has the capability of plowing through entire fleets is the Borg, a ship the size of an excelsior class, sorry but don't make me laugh, the Borg is fine because well, look at the size of a cube, and look at the size of an Excelsior Class (in size reference not technological since it has obviously changed), yeah I'm sure that thing could take on 20 Klingon cruisers by itself. However my nerd and stats rage (if it has stats you can kill it rule) over, you are right in the sense of, Abrams is just piling on the technology without any regard for its implication in the greater whole of the new Star Trek universe, how such things reshape the nature of power in the galaxy.

 

[Gatefan1976]

This may interest you Paragon:

The scans the Kelvin took of the Narada's 24th century technology (that went with the survivors on the shuttles) were used by 23rd century Starfleet to reverse engineer the more "advanced" technology seen in the alternate timeline, according to a post by Star Trek screenwriter Roberto Orci on Ain't It Cool News. [1] Director J.J. Abrams also said in an interview with MTV [2] that readings from the Narada "inspired ideas and technology that wouldn't have advanced otherwise."
A deleted scene from the film establishes that the Narada was crippled after it was rammed by the Kelvin. A convoy of Klingon warbirds eventually arrived and captured the ship and its crew. Twenty five years later, Nero and his crew escaped from their imprisonment on Rura Penthe, reclaimed the Narada, used the ship to destroy 47 Klingon warbirds, and continued on their mission. [3]

 

[Overmind One]

This may interest you Paragon:

The scans the Kelvin took of the Narada's 24th century technology (that went with the survivors on the shuttles) were used by 23rd century Starfleet to reverse engineer the more "advanced" technology seen in the alternate timeline, according to a post by Star Trek screenwriter Roberto Orci on Ain't It Cool News. [1] Director J.J. Abrams also said in an interview with MTV [2] that readings from the Narada "inspired ideas and technology that wouldn't have advanced otherwise."
A deleted scene from the film establishes that the Narada was crippled after it was rammed by the Kelvin. A convoy of Klingon warbirds eventually arrived and captured the ship and its crew. Twenty five years later, Nero and his crew escaped from their imprisonment on Rura Penthe, reclaimed the Narada, used the ship to destroy 47 Klingon warbirds, and continued on their mission. [3]

BAHAHAHAHAHA! Damage control by the producers? What a load....LMAO!

 

[Bluce Ree]

It was an into reference point, as to why the Federation/Starfleet would create war like vessels, not a "Hey why aren't the using Defiant Class vessels in this." Sorry but Duuurrrr

So if this vessel was soooo powerful then why dupe the Enterprise crew into going after Kahn? If they knew a war was coming and they were going to fire the first shot, wouldn't you use the most powerful weapons available?

The point of my 100 years in the future regarding Defiant is that all technology in the quadrant at that time was basically at par. So, the Defiant wasn't going to be the dreaded unstoppable beast because its tech was a progressive evolution. The Dreadnaught class ship was at least 100 years in the future compared to current technology.

Not only did the Armiral want to trick Enterprise into starting a war with plausible deniability of the actual intent but also to kill all of Khan's people hidden in the torpedoes. Double objective achieved and none of it tied directly to the Admiral.

I'm not saying it's a good plot but it is what it is.

Like on the freaking Dreadnought? If that thing is so power then it could of obliterated any defensive fleets around and leveled the entire planet before you can say tea and cumpets good sir. Also they could of easily killed Kahn since the mentioned planet leveling stuff was already done or in process, sure wolverine blood doesn't cure a120 mega tone nuclear blast.

The Admiral created that ship in secret with Khan's help. Starfleet was unaware of its existence until Enterprise witnessed it. And, again, the idea was to make it look like Kirk accidentally started the war trying to eliminate Khan who was a threat.

Then again you could just trans warp nuclear ordnance all over the enemy planets, ships, space stations, toilet seats etc thus eliminating any need for ground forces or fleets.

Yup. Thanks to Abrams, with every movie, fans are going to ask "WTF? Why didn't they just use transwarp" or "why aren't they building those Dreadnaught class ships??". He has completely destroyed any chance of writing a plausible story with conflict and struggle against a greater enemy or an enemy of equal power and numbers.

However my issue is that, its another 'unstoppable vessel' which I am getting bored of quite frankly. We've had this twice in a row now. For something that is called Into Darkness, there isn't anything really dark about it, just that this time they sided with a guy whom they knew was going to back stab them. Into Darkness implies that the characters are going into moral grey/ambiguity, going into the world of interstellar espionage.

Now you're giving Abrams too much credit.

Into Dreck is nothing but another colossal clusterf**k. He's turning Star Trek into Red Dwarf, a bunch of young dummies who have all this technology at hand they don't understand playing cowboys in space.

There is no reference to that ship being that advanced, just that it was more advanced that currently in use Star Fleet tech.

The ship was said to be that advanced. They made mention of its shielding, the fact the entire ship can be run by a single person and its weaponry. It's speed was demonstrated when they chased down the Enterprise, which it overtook as if the Enterprise was standing still and was able to fire upon it with no resistance.

The Narada was more advanced yes, but the Dreadnought? Sorry but no, can't believe that. Keep in mind they are only using resources and scienctific methods from that generation, no tech came from the future.

That's where you're wrong. The advances on that ship came from Khan. Among his enhanced abilities is his intellect, which far exceeds that of any human. That was also made clear. Stupid, yes, because Khan was never portrayed as an engineering genius but that's what Abrams did.

When I said the ship was 100 years ahead of its time, again, it was a metaphor. I didn't mean it came from the future.

At all. I don't believe that the Federation has that level of tech or resources to put into a vessel like that, let alone no one notice where these resources are going into, no one wondered, "Hey, why is 50% of the budget going into this something called Mr Admirals secret cookie jar."

Budget? Dude, you are familiar with Trek, right?

Humans eliminated currency and economy-based society in the future. Furthermore, you know they're space bearing, right? They can mine all they need from anywhere in space without Starfleet knowing anything.

PS. The only race which has the capability of plowing through entire fleets is the Borg, a ship the size of an excelsior class, sorry but don't make me laugh, the Borg is fine because well, look at the size of a cube, and look at the size of an Excelsior Class (in size reference not technological since it has obviously changed), yeah I'm sure that thing could take on 20 Klingon cruisers by itself. However my nerd and stats rage (if it has stats you can kill it rule) over, you are right in the sense of, Abrams is just piling on the technology without any regard for its implication in the greater whole of the new Star Trek universe, how such things reshape the nature of power in the galaxy.

You should watch the movie again and pay attention to the details surrounding Khan, those advanced torpedoes, the mission to get Khan and the Dreadnaught class ship.

I really disliked this Trek but I did pay attention so I could tear it apart.
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This may interest you Paragon:

The scans the Kelvin took of the Narada's 24th century technology (that went with the survivors on the shuttles) were used by 23rd century Starfleet to reverse engineer the more "advanced" technology seen in the alternate timeline, according to a post by Star Trek screenwriter Roberto Orci on Ain't It Cool News. [1] Director J.J. Abrams also said in an interview with MTV [2] that readings from the Narada "inspired ideas and technology that wouldn't have advanced otherwise."
A deleted scene from the film establishes that the Narada was crippled after it was rammed by the Kelvin. A convoy of Klingon warbirds eventually arrived and captured the ship and its crew. Twenty five years later, Nero and his crew escaped from their imprisonment on Rura Penthe, reclaimed the Narada, used the ship to destroy 47 Klingon warbirds, and continued on their mission. [3]

So, if they had all that 24th century tech at hand, why did they reach back 300 years to build an Apple Store bridge and an engine room that looks like a beer factory from 1929 where Hoffa might be buried?!?

 

[Gatefan1976]

Into Dreck is nothing but another colossal clusterf**k. He's turning Star Trek into Red Dwarf, a bunch of young dummies who have all this technology at hand they don't understand playing cowboys in space.

HOW DARE YOU INSULT DWARF LIKE THAT YOU HEATLESS BEAST!!!
I sentence you to the Arnold Rimmer Experience.

So, if they had all that 24th century tech at hand, why did they reach back 300 years to build an Apple Store bridge and an engine room that looks like a beer factory from 1929 where Hoffa might be buried?!?

Because it's cooler if you make it spin?

 

[ParagonPie]

One sec, gonna do some rewriting, got incoherent and repetitive. Tiredness does that!

To mention of budget, ok wrong wording but seriously knowing (I don't leave anything to chance with him) Abram's we'll have guys running around credit cards since we still have Nokia in the future. So world governments were lost in the 3rd world war but Nokia, Apple (becoming starfleet) and probably a few others made it.

The idea of Section 31 building a huge vessel without it garnering attention is somewhat of an eyebrow raiser. I can understand working through 3rd party means, but even so the amount of resources needed to create a vessel that huge, going to attract attention from the major powers. Its like the CIA trying to build an Aircraft carrier.

The issue with technology is that, they are using current generation technology to make something 100 or so more advanced? Sorry but you cannot turn i7 processors into quantum computers. You can however make the technology more efficient, but again every piece of hardware has a limitation. So Kahn who is 300 years in the past, can suddenly look at technology more advanced then develop it beyond its original capacity, developing entirely new lines of tech? I know we're sorting of making a crater out of a nitpick and yes I entirely admit to starting it. Cause I'm lovely like that

Again if the intention was to start a war with the Klingons, then why make such a weak source first strike. We saw how big the explosions from the torpedoes were, 72 of them only took out that Dreadnought from the inside. Barely planet leveling ordnance. The Admiral also had the intention of destroying the ipods anyway, so again the question rises of; why don't you use the Dreadnought to bomb Qo'Nos and fire the ipods off into Jupitar. Kahn isn't a problem when you have a space ship in orbit capable of leveling a planet. So why send the Enterprise? He has an unmarked federation ship. If he wanted it to be shown that the Federation started the war, then why not just get some of the guys doing a hand stand on the destroyed Klingon Council building, with a flag on top, that said "Federation was here. PS we stole all the toilet paper"

Then again, why make it look like the Federation started the war in the first place? Surely that would make them the aggressors and potential allies turn away from them right? So the Admiral can make a giant space ship, but doesn't understand what a false flag operation is? Right. Did all the level headed people of section 31 die in the London explosion or something?

I understood the movie, but my mind was overridden with thoughts like "Why didn't he just do this?" since the Admiral is using the Scooby Doo villan method of planning and execution.

 

[Bluce Ree]

The idea of Section 31 building a huge vessel without it garnering attention is somewhat of an eyebrow raiser. I can understand working through 3rd party means, but even so the amount of resources needed to create a vessel that huge, going to attract attention from the major powers. Its like the CIA trying to build an Aircraft carrier.

Well, no, not really. The ships aren't built by hand and the material to build the ships can be acquired from planets, moons, asteroids, just about anywhere. It's not a stretch to think they can do this with little to no attention.

The issue with technology is that, they are using current generation technology to make something 100 or so more advanced? Sorry but you cannot turn i7 processors into quantum computers. You can however make the technology more efficient, but again every piece of hardware has a limitation. So Kahn who is 300 years in the past, can suddenly look at technology more advanced then develop it beyond its original capacity, developing entirely new lines of tech? I know we're sorting of making a crater out of a nitpick and yes I entirely admit to starting it. Cause I'm lovely like that

You're thinking in simplistic terms. Technological leaps happen today. Look at batteries, for example. They are about to extend the life of a lithium ion battery by 5x to 10x, which is a leap, by using a silicon anode that can hold about 10x the amount of electrons. The problem with silicon at the moment is that it that it expands. The solution was to blend silicon with carbon to control the expansion. We lose the efficiency of using pure silicon but the combined element anode gives us about 5x the amount of charge. So, a battery that powers your smartphone for 24 hours will now easily give you a 5 day charge.

The point I'm trying to make is that, if someone shows you a better way of doing something, that can result in a technological leap. To use your example of the i7 processor, what Khan has done is looked at what he had at hand and showed them how to build a quantum processor, not how to turn an i7 into a quantum processor. We have 12 year old children today that are so intelligent they're challenging known theories and proving why their conclusions are correct with solid solutions.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/26/12-year-old-genius-expands-einsteins-theory-of-relativity/

It's not that Khan woke up and had the new ship schematic in his mind but he was able to look at the current tech and provide improvements by several orders of magnitude.

Again if the intention was to start a war with the Klingons, then why make such a weak source first strike. We saw how big the explosions from the torpedoes were, 72 of them only took out that Dreadnought from the inside. Barely planet leveling ordnance. The Admiral also had the intention of destroying the ipods anyway, so again the question rises of; why don't you use the Dreadnought to bomb Qo'Nos and fire the ipods off into Jupitar. Kahn isn't a problem when you have a space ship in orbit capable of leveling a planet. So why send the Enterprise? He has an unmarked federation ship. If he wanted it to be shown that the Federation started the war, then why not just get some of the guys doing a hand stand on the destroyed Klingon Council building, with a flag on top, that said "Federation was here. PS we stole all the toilet paper"

I think you're still completely missing the point.

- Dreadnaught class ship was secret
- Blame Enterprise for accidentally starting the war
- Kill all Khan's people hidden in the torpedoes without anyone's knowledge
- Admiral has plausible deniability
- Use the start of the Klingon war to introduce the dreadnaught class ship to the council for mass production

There was no real intention to destroy Qo'Nos but to make it look like Starfleet was attacking their planet, start a war and blame Enterprise for the event.

I am with you 100% that this is purely a stupid plot but that's what he laid out.

He didn't need to start a war if he wanted to produce these new ships but the method by which he acquired the knowledge, holding Khan's people hostage to get Khan's cooperation, may not have gone over so well with Starfleet council and may have resulted in a court martial.

Then again, why make it look like the Federation started the war in the first place? Surely that would make them the aggressors and potential allies turn away from them right? So the Admiral can make a giant space ship, but doesn't understand what a false flag operation is? Right. Did all the level headed people of section 31 die in the London explosion or something?

I understood the movie, but my mind was overridden with thoughts like "Why didn't he just do this?" since the Admiral is using the Scooby Doo villan method of planning and execution.

Scooy Doo villan! Not a bad analogy given that he was an old man whose plan was foiled by those nosy kids!

 

[ParagonPie]

You know what, it seems like however wrote this just stole the story line to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Dear lord!).

Seriously this is what happens, a General gets all pee'd off, so creates a situation to which he receives a blank check and gets to do what he wants with it in the name of patriotism.

PS: Bruce, I got that he was trying to use this to his advantage (even in a misguided notion) however I am saying, its just flat out stupid which I know you just said, there are easier methods to gain support from central government. Like just I dunno, put Coco Cola advertisements on the sides of your ships or something, or whenever they hail they must sit through a 30 second commercial.

Also I know my analogy was overly simplistic (and you are indeed right about what you said, make no mistake about that) but its coming from a military mind set. Implying that stuff you see is just stuff that works, as overly fancy gizmo's are worthless in combat theatre, it just needs an edge over what the enemy currently have and then you can mass produce it. That dreadnought class vessel will look great on billboards and recruitment drives, but way to costly (resources not money before you ask it you silly sausage!) to produce in desperate war like conditions. Again in reference to the DS9's defiant, it was a warship, small, heavily armored and packs a punch with firepower sizable to a cruiser.

Warfare while helped with technology is mostly just about logistics, who can get what to the front line quicker.

 

[shavedape]

Mouth-breathing monkey says what?

P.S. This bitch is soooooo obviously wearing contacts that it's not funny. You can see the plastic corona around each eye. My advice -- When I pay for blue eyes I expect them to be real, bitch!

 

[Overmind One]

Mouth-breathing monkey says what?

P.S. This bitch is soooooo obviously wearing contacts that it's not funny. You can see the plastic corona around each eye. My advice -- When I pay for blue eyes I expect them to be real, bitch!

I think he is wearing contacts because he wears corrective lenses. His eyes are blue naturally, I believe.