Helix: Love it or Hate it? (Awards Given)

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shavedape

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Can't burn up the data right now (lousy Verizon limits) to watch this thing so tell us, is it worth it? :daniel_new004:
 
YJ02

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shavedape said:
Can't burn up the data right now (lousy Verizon limits) to watch this thing so tell us, is it worth it? :daniel_new004:
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Let's see-in 15 minutes we get; the seeds of "shipping" are heavily sown (you know because when your in antartica, violating international law and surrounded by some who knows what the fuck doomsday plague- all you want to do is screw, right?); Once again, and sickeningly so, it looks as if we will be faced with a show that makes the US military look like it has squirrels and monkeys in it; Looks like -to me- 28 days later stuff with "smart" infecteds/zombies and black blood; also. seems to come complete with smug businessmen and "I am so brilliant I shit gemstones" scientists

Other then that-looks good!!
 
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yongjin02 said:
Let's see-in 15 minutes we get; the seeds of "shipping" are heavily sown (you know because when your in antartica, violating international law and surrounded by some who knows what the fuck doomsday plague- all you want to do is screw, right?); Once again, and sickeningly so, it looks as if we will be faced with a show that makes the US military look like it has squirrels and monkeys in it; Looks like -to me- 28 days later stuff with "smart" infecteds/zombies and black blood; also. seems to come complete with smug businessmen and "I am so brilliant I shit gemstones" scientists

Other then that-looks good!!
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You nailed it I think.. :( Looks to me like the mysterious disease is just a sidenote to what they want to do with the show. Already, they have "who slept with who" tidbits, crushes and family struggles. :bored:
 
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yongjin02 said:
Let's see-in 15 minutes we get; the seeds of "shipping" are heavily sown (you know because when your in antartica, violating international law and surrounded by some who knows what the fuck doomsday plague- all you want to do is screw, right?); Once again, and sickeningly so, it looks as if we will be faced with a show that makes the US military look like it has squirrels and monkeys in it; Looks like -to me- 28 days later stuff with "smart" infecteds/zombies and black blood; also. seems to come complete with smug businessmen and "I am so brilliant I shit gemstones" scientists

Other then that-looks good!!
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lol nothing says sex like a doomsday plague. Watched it, do not plan on watching it. Stupid soft science crap with heavy melodrama, basically BSG-esque but in another setting.
 
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Oh that's right, this is a Ronald Moore production, eh? That explains a lot.
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Ronald Moore did this thing? Meh, cant have all winners, huh? He did quite well on Star Trek TNG, but that was when he had incentive to write good science fiction. There were misses, but he basically made TNG enjoyable (and it won a gang of awards over the years). BSG got the critical acclaim, but I thought it missed as science fiction and I thought it missed capturing the spirit and premise of the original. It ended up jumping the shark. Caprica came and went without even taking her shoes off.

This Helix thing, it just doesnt grab me at all. I dont like the premise, and I especially dont like the fact that the shipping and drama starts in the very first episode. What does who is banging who, and the leading star's brother being caught in bed with his wife have to do with a retrovirus or a coming global pandemic? :facepalm:

Like mzzz said, nothing gets Willy to stand at attention or gets Sally wet like a global pandemic and impending doom. :pride:
 
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DUDE!!!

You just skipped DS9 :(

Moore is best (IMHO) within a framework. He can push that frame, but when he stays in it he can be great. In BSG he wrote very well to begin with, but lost his way, yet in DS9 he got better cause he had others to "pull his head in" when he went nuts.

In short, he writes excellent fan fiction, but sucks making his own stuff up.
 
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Gatefan1976 said:
DUDE!!!

You just skipped DS9 :(

Moore is best (IMHO) within a framework. He can push that frame, but when he stays in it he can be great. In BSG he wrote very well to begin with, but lost his way, yet in DS9 he got better cause he had others to "pull his head in" when he went nuts.

In short, he writes excellent fan fiction, but sucks making his own stuff up.
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In BSG Moore had the melodrama/shipping BS inserted at the very beginning. The inter-personal drama aspects overshadowed the entire show and, like I said, they were there before he got "lost" in the story. Hell, I'd submit the reason that Moore got so tangled up and lost is because of his stupid focus on melodrama over substance in a scifi story.
 
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shavedape said:
In BSG Moore had the melodrama/shipping BS inserted at the very beginning.
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Are you sure??
I really never noticed it as a driving plot point until S2. Yes there were relationships, but they served the story, rather than being the story that they most certainly became.

The inter-personal drama aspects overshadowed the entire show and, like I said, they were there before he got "lost" in the story. Hell, I'd submit the reason that Moore got so tangled up and lost is because of his stupid focus on melodrama over substance in a scifi story.
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No, I certainly agree, he gets lost in his own "story", yet he wrote well (IMHO of course) within the semi closed environment of Trek.
 
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RDM should stick with space based sci fi. It seems to be all that he is good at. He has to reach too much, with the lack of ships and space battles, for "filler"
 
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Gatefan1976 said:
Are you sure??
I really never noticed it as a driving plot point until S2. Yes there were relationships, but they served the story, rather than being the story that they most certainly became.
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Helo and Sharon come instantly to mind for the first season of BSG. And there's no way possible that Moore didn't plan to have Starbuck become embroiled in several romantic situations since he made the character female. The Lee Adama/Starbuck hookup was telegraphed from the first season. Quite simply, it had to happen.
 
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shavedape said:
Helo and Sharon come instantly to mind for the first season of BSG. And there's no way possible that Moore didn't plan to have Starbuck become embroiled in several romantic situations since he made the character female. The Lee Adama/Starbuck hookup was telegraphed from the first season. Quite simply, it had to happen.
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Helo and Sharon, sure, but that came about sorta naturally, so I don't count it as a "forced point". As for all the other tangled mess of relationships, yep, they took over.
 
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Overmind One said:
You nailed it I think.. :( Looks to me like the mysterious disease is just a sidenote to what they want to do with the show. Already, they have "who slept with who" tidbits, crushes and family struggles. :bored:
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exactly so--glad you agree--I am lighting fireworks and doing backflips :SmileyLaughingTears:
 
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Gatefan1976 said:
Helo and Sharon, sure, but that came about sorta naturally, so I don't count it as a "forced point". As for all the other tangled mess of relationships, yep, they took over.
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Keep in mind Moore immediately turned the Cylons into "humans" in his version of BSG. What other reason would he have for that other than so he could (cheaply) exploit inter-personal drama. I highly doubt an exploration of science fiction was his aim here; his use of the gimmick of AI becoming human. That old trope has been ridden hard, sodomized and put to bed countless time before Moore came along; from Asimov to ST:TNG just to mention a few.

So, no, science fiction was certainly not the motivating factor in Moore's writing of BSG. From the very beginning he operated on the premise of writing an interpersonal melodrama that was human qua human based. Granted, it was harder to discern this in the first season but became much easier in retrospect.
 
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shavedape said:
Keep in mind Moore immediately turned the Cylons into "humans" in his version of BSG. What other reason would he have for that other than so he could (cheaply) exploit inter-personal drama. I highly doubt an exploration of science fiction was his aim here; his use of the gimmick of AI becoming human. That old trope has been ridden hard, sodomized and put to bed countless time before Moore came along; from Asimov to ST:TNG just to mention a few.

So, no, science fiction was certainly not the motivating factor in Moore's writing of BSG. From the very beginning he operated on the premise of writing an interpersonal melodrama that was human qua human based. Granted, it was harder to discern this in the first season but became much easier in retrospect.
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I see the sub zero, ball cringling cold is keeping you entrenched at a computing device as well--hey its up to -6 here and the wind finally stopped, isn't like -90 there?
 
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yongjin02 said:
I see the sub zero, ball cringling cold is keeping you entrenched at a computing device as well--hey its up to -6 here and the wind finally stopped, isn't like -90 there?
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Just rose 3 degrees above freezing about an hour ago. Kinda weird how no one is driving around today. I didn't see a single car drive down my street last night. Literally everyone is hunkered down. It's really no biggie because I'm prepared for it.

Everything will be back to normal tomorrow. The cold is moving East so you guys will have it a bit longer though.
 
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shavedape said:
Keep in mind Moore immediately turned the Cylons into "humans" in his version of BSG. What other reason would he have for that other than so he could (cheaply) exploit inter-personal drama. I highly doubt an exploration of science fiction was his aim here; his use of the gimmick of AI becoming human. That old trope has been ridden hard, sodomized and put to bed countless time before Moore came along; from Asimov to ST:TNG just to mention a few.

So, no, science fiction was certainly not the motivating factor in Moore's writing of BSG. From the very beginning he operated on the premise of writing an interpersonal melodrama that was human qua human based. Granted, it was harder to discern this in the first season but became much easier in retrospect.
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Can't argue with you their my svelte simian friend.
 
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