FTL travel here we come!

[Overmind One]

You did ask about time travel...................

It was a real question! Perhaps they do it to be cool, publishing issues with a future month? LOL. I think I will like this magazine. The publishing company is Dell!

 

[Jim of WVa]

Thanks a lot Jim! I think I will subscribe to it since it is so cheap, but I also looked at your post and you say it is the April 2012 issue. Is that correct?

Yes.

 

[Overmind One]

Yes.

I thought it might be. LOL.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Still Investigating

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012...-stunning-faster-than-light-particle-finding/

Not so fast: Scientists rethink stunning, faster-than-light particle finding

A loose connection between a timer and a computer led some of the world’s smartest particle physicists to conclude that certain tiny particles called neutrinos moved faster than the speed of light -- a declaration that shocked the science world and would have called into questions Einstein’s theories.

But rather than invalidating the stunning superspeed finding, the flaw may have led scientists to underestimate it.

 

[Overmind One]

Not unexpected. But the lightspeed constant/limit will topple eventually.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012...-stunning-faster-than-light-particle-finding/

Interesting. But not entirely unexpected! The lightspeed "constant" is going to eventually topple, either by empirical proof or by improved technology which will provide empirical proof. It is illogical to believe that constants exist on any dimension of this Universe, since there are no examples to draw upon or observe. All that appears to be constant, is finding that nothing is constant. . I loved this excerpt:

Needless to say, CERN plans new tests.


"The potential extent of these two effects is being studied by the OPERA collaboration. New measurements with short pulsed beams are scheduled for May," the science team said.


Einstein theorized that the speed of light in a vacuum -- approximately 186,280 miles per second, or about 700 million miles per hour -- is an absolute speed limit, and used the value in his famous formula, E = mc[SUP]2[/SUP].


Rewriting the theories based on this speed limit would have made an array of science fiction ideas more plausible -- even time travel -- yet that's exactly what scientists said last year, stunning the science community.

Bolded are not substantiated by anything real. There is no such thing as a true vacuum, and there is no such thing as an "absolute speed limit" for free particles or energy flows. UNLESS you create them out of thin air, and that is what Einstein's lightspeed constant is. Literally, a numerical deity.

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[Jim of WVa]

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/respectscience.php

"So What If I Broke Twelve Laws Of Physics? It's Only Science FICTION"

This silly opinion implies that the word "fiction" nullifies the word "science." Since it is "fiction", and fiction is by definition "not true", then we can make "not true" any and all science that gets in the way, right?

Hogwash. By the same logic, the term "detective fiction" gives the author license to totally ignore standard procedures and techniques used by detectives, the term "military fiction" allows the author to totally ignore military tactics and strategy, and the term "historical fiction" allows the author to totally ignore the relevant history.

Imagine a historical fiction novel where Napoleon at Waterloo defeated the knights of the Round Table by using the Enola Gay to drop an atom bomb. It's OK because it is "fiction", right?

This non-argument is the favorite of science fiction fans who like all the zipping spaceships and ray guns but who actually know practically nothing about real science. And who cannot be bothered to go learn.

So much for Stargate Universe.

In the past, also, war was one of the main instruments by which human societies were kept in touch with physical reality.
...
In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four.

 

[Jim of WVa]

Alternative Science Respectability Checklist

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/c...alternative-science-respectability-checklist/

 

[Jim of WVa]

Albert may still be right

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/03/16/not-so-fast-independent-measurement-shows-neutrinos-dont-exceed-speed-of-light/

Albert may still be right. An attempt to repeat an experiment that showed a subatomic particle traveling faster than the speed of light suggests that the earlier result may have erred, and that Einstein’s famed special theory of relativity remains intact.

A mostly European collaboration of physicists working on an experiment called ICARUS announced today that they had tracked neutrinos traveling from CERN, the particle physics lab outside Geneva, to the Gran Sasso National Laboratory, in an Italian mountainside. That is the same subterranean, international traverse that neutrinos make in the OPERA experiment. But unlike OPERA, which found last year that neutrinos reached Italy 60 nanoseconds faster than they would traveling at the supposedly unbreakable cosmic speed limit, ICARUS found that the neutrinos made the trip at a velocity indistinguishable from light speed. The details of the ICARUS finding have been posted to the physics preprint server arXiv.org.

 

[shavedape]

Constant change is here to stay.

 

[mzzz]

Interesting. But not entirely unexpected! The lightspeed "constant" is going to eventually topple, either by empirical proof or by improved technology which will provide empirical proof. It is illogical to believe that constants exist on any dimension of this Universe, since there are no examples to draw upon or observe. All that appears to be constant, is finding that nothing is constant. . I loved this excerpt:

Bolded are not substantiated by anything real. There is no such thing as a true vacuum, and there is no such thing as an "absolute speed limit" for free particles or energy flows. UNLESS you create them out of thin air, and that is what Einstein's lightspeed constant is. Literally, a numerical deity.

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haha, still. Lemme know when you make a valid argument, otherwise your claim's nothing more than an opinion.

Ooh, I'm impressed. Did you graduate from a high school in the United States?

Think he was just pointing out a sort of paradox where constant change is in itself a form of a constant.

 

[Overmind One]

haha, still. Lemme know when you make a valid argument, otherwise your claim's nothing more than an opinion.


Think he was just pointing out a sort of paradox where constant change is in itself a form of a constant.

Ill give you that, but your views are also just an opinion. BTW, I am sorry I made the comment earlier on this thread. After that, you left for a long time and I missed you. Good to have you back.

 

[mzzz]

Nah, it's not an opinion that you don't have a valid argument, it's fact. lol, I didnt go away cause of that, you were just doing the usual ad-hominem thing. I got real busy with a few classes and had to cut back on certain things. gatefans was one, things haven't really changed too much since I've been away.

 

[Jim of WVa]

I am evil Homer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47743180/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.T9Kng7BYuPQ

Faster-than-light neutrinos ... aren't, scientists concludeSame lab that began controversy now says tests show they 'respect the cosmic speed limit'

The final nail in the coffin may have been dealt to the idea that neutrino particles can travel faster than light.


The same lab that first reported the shocking results last September, which could have upended much of modern physics, has now reported that the subatomic particles called neutrinos "respect the cosmic speed limit."

 

[mzzz]

Ahh a lot of dead portions of the forum it seems, so won't start a new thread for it. I'm sure you can google some articles regarding this recent piece of news regarding the Higgs boson, they think they've discovered it. A lot of the expected behaviour and properties panned out but think they're going over it rigorously. Pretty big news for quantum physics.

 

[Overmind One]

Ahh a lot of dead portions of the forum it seems, so won't start a new thread for it. I'm sure you can google some articles regarding this recent piece of news regarding the Higgs boson, they think they've discovered it. A lot of the expected behaviour and properties panned out but think they're going over it rigorously. Pretty big news for quantum physics.

I am watching that closely....it annoys me that they keep calling it the "God Particle" Humans will NEVER completely understand the Universe, and thus they will never know "God" (not the deity).

 

[mzzz]

Stop equating Universe with the name God then lol

Por tu, overmind:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/oct/09/physics-nobel-prize-quantum-computing?CMP=twt_fd

And yes you still have to go the destruction route to uncover and discover quantum properties with our current level of technology, what they're doing isn't to really uncover and discover properties but retain them for applications towards quantum computing and other practical fields.

 

[Overmind One]

Stop equating Universe with the name God then lol

Por tu, overmind:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/oct/09/physics-nobel-prize-quantum-computing?CMP=twt_fd

And yes you still have to go the destruction route to uncover and discover quantum properties with our current level of technology, what they're doing isn't to really uncover and discover properties but retain them for applications towards quantum computing and other practical fields.

As long as technology clings to old methods, we will come up with new ways to name the same old 19th century knowledge.

 

[Bluce Ree]

As long as technology clings to old methods, we will come up with new ways to name the same old 19th century knowledge.

HEY! I quite like my 19th century-based 25nm transistor processor core smartphone!

 

[mzzz]

As long as technology clings to old methods, we will come up with new ways to name the same old 19th century knowledge.

What are you talking about man. Particle accelerators are fairly recent in science, first ones being around 1930's. And they're not naming the 'same old 19th century knowledge'. It's all about quantum which is also fairy recent, especially with all the recent particle discoveries. Do you even know what quantum physics is?

 

[Overmind One]

What are you talking about man. Particle accelerators are fairly recent in science, first ones being around 1930's. And they're not naming the 'same old 19th century knowledge'. It's all about quantum which is also fairy recent, especially with all the recent particle discoveries. Do you even know what quantum physics is?

Must you? . The methodology and mathematics are 19th century. There are too many "constants" being used in the equations and the work is firmly rooted in 19th century understandings of matter and energy. Quantum physics is still using Einsteinian math and relativity for the most part. Quantum theory is trying to get past it but stubborn prestige and entrenched beliefs prevent dissent. Look how resistant you are to new ideas here.